JESUS IS NOT GOD DEBATE

PostmodernProphet said:
apparently that is information that did not transfer to the incarnate God.....

and yet he was good, so he must have been God, no?......



isn't logical that an incarnate God, God who has vested himself in mortal flesh would be less than God who has not?......
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I would go on but it's clear your a lost cause. Too brainwashed. It is difficult to debate someone so delusional. Go back to sleep. When you grow some spiritual eyes and ears, let me know. Until then you are spiritual blind and deaf in my opinion.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
Jesus was human.....he could die......Jesus was God, he could resurrect himself.....this really isn't complicated you know.....
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Wow! Talk about brainwashed. Do you all notice how the most uneducated are the most brainwashed??? That is why religion thrives in third world countries. It really isn't complicated? Anyone listening to you that has 1/2 a brain knows your an idiot!

If Jesus is 100% GOD, He CANNOT die! If He cannot die? How could He resurrect Himself? UNLESS Jesus was NOT 100% GOD and was human and only possessed the Spirit of GOD! Which DOES NOT make Him 100% GOD. Heck even the Muslim's are more logical. They stated that GOD made it appear that Jesus died but He didn't, because even they can see the HUGE contradiction.



???...how about Mark 16:6
But he has risen! He is not here!
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That verse DOES NOT say He raised Himself. If your dead? How the heck can you have the power to raise yourself? LOL My GOD these guys are brainwashed!! It's so OBVIOUS!
 
Tyrion the Imp said:
There were not many King of Kings, it was a pretty high level title. I'm really unaware of anyone besides rulers who had conquered all of ancient Mesopotamia (Babylonians, Persians, etc...) use it. Using it as a title of God would be fairly unsurprising, the entire concept being to grant to God all the highest level concepts. It also makes sense because Jews were a Semitic culture, associated with the other cultures of the area.
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The Bible speaks of at least 2 King of Kings and History speaks of many. Therefore it was a common term of upmost authority and these King if Kings DEMANDED loyalty, praise, obedience and worship OR ELSE!

Your theory that the old testament is talking about a variety of unrelated tribal warlords when it refers to "God" is just stupid beyond words. Just go into the bible, and start replacing any reference to God with "(the specific tribal warlord being referenced to in this book)". It doesn't make any sense. Why does David, king of Israel, pay respects to someone else? Is Israel not independent or something? Why does he have some sort of direct line to him - if this were the distant ruler of some greater realm which included Israel, he would rarely be expected to talk to David at all. And the book of Genesis, yeah, in the beginning, some tribal warlord created the heavens and the earth. That makes so much sense.
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It makes all the sense in the world because most of the uses of "Lord" come with an individual obtaining mortal qualities. Something that would be impossible for GOD.

Why does King David pay respects(taxes) to the King of Kings? :) You don't pay, the King wages war against you. Many Kings of Judea betrayed the Assyrian Lords by doing business with Egyptian Royalty. Read your Bible.

There seems to be a battle between warlike Germanic tribes/nomads, and more civilized oriental civilizations.

The book of Genesis is composed of some of the oldest fables in the world. At that time people were highly superstitious and had believed things that were heavily exaggerated.
 
Tyrion the Imp said:
Oh man, go back up to heaven, what a hard choice. Jesus gave up his short term presence in this shitty world for nothing but a return to a blissful eternity in heaven! What a sacrifice! Surely no one in the world has given up more!
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???....first of all it was the death on the cross that I was referring to.....the taking responsibility for something that was our doing, not his spending eternity in heaven....
second, there are folks on this board who think that an eternity in heaven isn't worth accepting the benefit of his choice, let alone having to go through what he went through.....
 
There really isnt any debate on this. The dogma has been settled for a.long long time consistant with prophesy. Non believers can say what they will but its meaningless as faith holds no meaning fir them in the first pkace. Besides why would you assume to know the parameters of what is or is not possible to God ?
 
wiseones2cents said:
I've proved your beliefs are in error using multiple scriptures and logic. All you presented was 2-3 verses used out of context and mis-interpreted! Heck the Jehovah witnesses can show you verse to support their believe Jesus is archangel Michael.lol
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/shrugs....apparently you've overrated your arguments.....I don't feel my faith rattling yet.....and I doubt anyone here has found your arguments compelling.....
 
wiseones2cents said:
OMG! This guy is in denial! I usual call people idiots when they first a) show arrogance b) are completely clueless and insist they are smarter.lol

The point is that He was firstBORN! If He was BORN that would indicate there was a time He never existed. How many times do I have to repeat myself? And your nonsense about this meaning his mortal birth, that's nonsense. It clearly states He was born prior to creation.
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it says he was there prior to creation....it doesn't say he was created.....Paul calls him the firstborn.....he does that frequently throughout his epistles......it is always in reference to the fact that stemming from his actions, humanity is free from the consequences of death.....deal with it....
 
Tyrion the Imp said:
The canon of the bible was put together during the Synod of Hippo, 397, long after the Council of Nicaea. Why would the Trinitarian empire allow Arians to put together their canon?

Arianism was never a majority doctrine. It does not hold that Jesus was not God. You are an idiot. These are all facts.
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The Bible was put together well before that. Biblical Scholars like Clement of Alexandria his pupil Origen who was the headmaster at the Catechetical School of Alexandria before he was kicked out for teaching things that the rulers disagreed with. He was an Arian. Also Eusebius of Caesarea? Arian.

After the Alexandrian school was taken over and corrupted they THEN started preaching Jesus is GOD. Simply because the pagans wanted gods to worship. Not mere men. And the Emperors knew that.

Though the School of Antioch still preferred Arianism.

Arianism was VERY popular and survived long after the persecution and was even supported by another emperor. Arians do not equate Jesus and GOD as equals.

Your an idiot and those are the facts.
 
wiseones2cents said:
I would go on but it's clear your a lost cause. Too brainwashed. It is difficult to debate someone so delusional. Go back to sleep. When you grow some spiritual eyes and ears, let me know. Until then you are spiritual blind and deaf in my opinion.
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wait, does this mean you aren't going to rattle my faith?.....dang, I was looking forward to a good debate.....the longest argument I had with an atheist lasted over 500 pages.....you haven't even warmed up yet......I guess your arguments weren't as good as you thought.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
/shrugs....apparently you've overrated your arguments.....I don't feel my faith rattling yet.....and I doubt anyone here has found your arguments compelling.....
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That's because you are too far brainwashed. When the Jehovah Witnesses come to my house and I tell them their beliefs are ridiculous and they are not the chosen 144,000 they look at me laugh. Though inside, I actually fee sorry for these brainwashed people.

Actually any rational person can CLEARLY see the contradictions in your beliefs. Only those uneducated or deceivers would say otherwise.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
it says he was there prior to creation....it doesn't say he was created.....Paul calls him the firstborn.....he does that frequently throughout his epistles......it is always in reference to the fact that stemming from his actions, humanity is free from the consequences of death.....deal with it....
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HE WAS FIRSTBORN OF CREATION! That means He was MADE prior to creation. He was still made! You deal with it, your the one in denial.lol

This is even for arguments sake, acknowledging that the Bible is infallible, when most honest scholars will tell you it's not.

Maybe you can explain where the "god" of the jews was when Rome kicked their butts? Or when Hitler gased them?
 
Tyrion the Imp said:
Arianism did not hold that Jesus was not God, it just held that God created the Son of God and that he held a subordinate position to him in the trinity. This is, confusingly, not considered "Trinitarianism" because it's not the classical belief that all three are totally coequal entities, but neither is it Unitarianism, where Jesus was just a normal man.
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Contradictions detected! Arians did believe Jesus was not GOD. They believe He was created by GOD!



Dictatorship and Christianity are not mutually exclusive.
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Wrong. Power and dictatorship are not mutually exclusive. The early church(true Christianity) was not a dictatorship.
 
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