blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Are you really that dumb?
Unions killing Detroit
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blackascoal
The Force is With Me
You sir are not an intelligence buff .. that's your problem, not history.
Jefferson saw 3 dangers to basic human rights ..
Governments
Organized Religion
Corporations
.. and fuck you and the hole you crawled out of.
Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
Shut up, you defeated-ass cocksucking hack.
Crashk
Unite or Die
"Unions create a middle class by allowing you and me to ask for the wages and the benefits we need to become or remain middle class..
...by the 1920s things looked a lot like they do today: the robber barons were in charge, and the situation for working people was bleak. The rich were incredibly rich, and the few middle-class workers were deeply in debt. The labor movement appeared virtually dead.
It took the Republican Great Depression to wake people up. It took Franklin D. Roosevelt to speak the truth. If a politician said the same things today that Roosevelt did in the 1930s - openly accusing big business of being anti-American and antiworker - he'd be accused of socialism and communism. Very few national figures have the courage to speak out today the way FDR did back then.
Roosevelt provided courageous leadership. In his first term, he had sent to Congress the National Industrial Recovery Act, which set standards for wages and working hours and established the right of laborers to organize. This set the stage for labor groups to bargain for wages and conditions. Thanks in large part to FDR's work on behalf of labor, in the 25 years after World War II the real incomes of the middle class doubled.
Today America is regressing. Middle-class income has stopped growing. The net worth of those who earn less than $150,000 per year (which includes everybody from the working poor to the highest end of the most well-off of the middle class) is down by 0.6 percent.
The problem isn't the economy. Corporations are making more money than ever. The real income of people whose net worth exceeds $100 million is doubling.
What's happening is simple: the rich are getting richer and the entire spectrum of the middle class is disappearing.
We can easily trace this decline to Reagan's first public declaration of war on the middle class when he went after the Professional Air Traffic Controllers Organization (PATCO) in 1981. He broke the back of the air-traffic controllers' union and began the practice of using the Department of Labor - traditionally the ally of workers - against organized labor and working people.
Reagan liked to say he was against "big government." What he really meant was that he was against Roosevelt's New Deal. He was against Social Security, the minimum wage, free college education (he ended that in California as its governor), and programs like the Works Progress Administration. He believed in the discredited concept of "trickle-down" economics - the theory that if you create a corporatocracy, the rich will nobly spend some of their money to help the rest of us.
The American people don't need handouts. Our workers just want to be paid a living wage for a fair day's work. We can't count on the corporatocracy to give us what we earn, so we need a strong labor movement to give us the power to negotiate our wages and benefits."
http://www.truthout.org/article/thom-hartmann-needed-workplace-democracy
3 generations of my family fought for the unionization of the coal mines in W.Va and the steelmills in N.E. Ohio. Thru unionization my family was able to work their way into the middle class and out of the economic slavery that corporatists like Toppie would enslave in us again.
Labor is like lettuce, the more you have the cheaper it is. If American workers can't protect themselves and their jobs and families the next step is back into slavery.
...by the 1920s things looked a lot like they do today: the robber barons were in charge, and the situation for working people was bleak. The rich were incredibly rich, and the few middle-class workers were deeply in debt. The labor movement appeared virtually dead.
It took the Republican Great Depression to wake people up. It took Franklin D. Roosevelt to speak the truth. If a politician said the same things today that Roosevelt did in the 1930s - openly accusing big business of being anti-American and antiworker - he'd be accused of socialism and communism. Very few national figures have the courage to speak out today the way FDR did back then.
Roosevelt provided courageous leadership. In his first term, he had sent to Congress the National Industrial Recovery Act, which set standards for wages and working hours and established the right of laborers to organize. This set the stage for labor groups to bargain for wages and conditions. Thanks in large part to FDR's work on behalf of labor, in the 25 years after World War II the real incomes of the middle class doubled.
Today America is regressing. Middle-class income has stopped growing. The net worth of those who earn less than $150,000 per year (which includes everybody from the working poor to the highest end of the most well-off of the middle class) is down by 0.6 percent.
The problem isn't the economy. Corporations are making more money than ever. The real income of people whose net worth exceeds $100 million is doubling.
What's happening is simple: the rich are getting richer and the entire spectrum of the middle class is disappearing.
We can easily trace this decline to Reagan's first public declaration of war on the middle class when he went after the Professional Air Traffic Controllers Organization (PATCO) in 1981. He broke the back of the air-traffic controllers' union and began the practice of using the Department of Labor - traditionally the ally of workers - against organized labor and working people.
Reagan liked to say he was against "big government." What he really meant was that he was against Roosevelt's New Deal. He was against Social Security, the minimum wage, free college education (he ended that in California as its governor), and programs like the Works Progress Administration. He believed in the discredited concept of "trickle-down" economics - the theory that if you create a corporatocracy, the rich will nobly spend some of their money to help the rest of us.
The American people don't need handouts. Our workers just want to be paid a living wage for a fair day's work. We can't count on the corporatocracy to give us what we earn, so we need a strong labor movement to give us the power to negotiate our wages and benefits."
http://www.truthout.org/article/thom-hartmann-needed-workplace-democracy
3 generations of my family fought for the unionization of the coal mines in W.Va and the steelmills in N.E. Ohio. Thru unionization my family was able to work their way into the middle class and out of the economic slavery that corporatists like Toppie would enslave in us again.
Labor is like lettuce, the more you have the cheaper it is. If American workers can't protect themselves and their jobs and families the next step is back into slavery.
FUCK THE POLICE
911 EVERY DAY
Top, tell me how banning unions is a free market procedure? Why do so many Americans despise everything that gives them the standard of living they have so much?
FUCK THE POLICE
911 EVERY DAY
Loyola.
FUCK THE POLICE
911 EVERY DAY
For a southern city, Gulport-Biloxi and Pascogoula are growing extremely fast. Within a decade or two all the way from my house to that area will be covered in city. That said, they do have high unemployment, and little union activity because of a lot of harsh union suppressing legislation... passed by our pseudo-Democratic legislature.
uscitizen
Villified User
that is not the only bad decisions the US auto industry has made. Selling the guzzlers in the 70's when people wanted more efficient autos, and did the same thing again.
Good Luck
New member
When will people realize the car companies only sell what the consumer wants? The American auto industry sold large, fuel inefficient cars in the 70s because that is what the American consumer demanded. Smaller, fuel efficient cars from Europe and Japan (where gas prices were already much higher than here) did not sell well here until the first gas crisis. Then everyone was blaming U.S> auto makers for "falling behind" foreign auto makers.
Bullshit. If people had wanted smaller fuel efficient cars, they would have been buying the fuel efficient imports in arge numbers BEFORE the fuel crisis hit us, and the U.S. auto makers would have been making them in order to compete with the foreign imports. Which is what happened in the late 70 and early 80s.
Then between the combined factors of our economy catching up with gas prices, and cheap oil imports keeping gas prices relatively stable, the U.S. consumer started buying big gas hogs again. Only instead of large, luxury sedans, we began buying large trucks laughingly labeled "Sport Utility Vehicles". Again, it is not the fault of the auto industry for giving the consumer what they demanded.
They are a business. Businesses make money by providing what the consumers want. They do it because if they don't, they cannot compete with the other company who is giving their consumers what they want. We wanted big trucks with honkin' big engines, they gave us big trucks with honkin' big engines.
Then another gas crisis hit us, and again there are those who want to blame the U.S. auto industry for selling gas guzzlers. And it is once again pure bullshit.
Businesses are NOT supposed act like parents, telling us what is good for us. It is not their place to say "you don't NEED a truck with a big honkin' engine, take this fuel efficient compact station wagon instead." Sorry, but when I go shopping for a vehicle, I want what I want, not what some company that wants to act like my mommy thinks is best for me.
What the hell has happened to the liberal movement? Not only do they want government to baby us from birth to death, now businesses are supposed to make "proper" decisions for the consumer and disregard what the consumer wants? Give it a rest.
uscitizen
Villified User
Bullshit. If people had wanted smaller fuel efficient cars, they would have been buying the fuel efficient imports in arge numbers BEFORE the fuel crisis hit us, and the U.S. auto makers would have been making them in order to compete with the foreign imports.
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I would say they were not since Toyota is now I think the number one selling auto company.
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I would say they were not since Toyota is now I think the number one selling auto company.
uscitizen
Villified User
Nope.
They sell lots of other cars which are pretty reasonable on fuel consumption.
And they recently had moved into the larger SUV and Pickup business. Just shows the influence of having Toyota plants in the USA with some Ameriocan Management in them.
Their base and growth was based on mostly efficient reliable vehicles.
I hear they are putting a plant in MS, there goes their managment downhill more.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
So the solution is to screw over the people who made you successful that you owe a financial and moral debt to? Yea, that sounds like good ethical business to me.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Oh that's utter bullshit to blame that on liberals. It didn't take a rocket scientist to see the fuel crises coming. Japanese automakers are hurting now too cause they tooled up to make a lot of small trucks and SUV's but they kept the marketing up for their dependable fuel efficient sedans and coupes and now they have a market edge. How the hell does it become liberal to NOT want to bail out the automakers?
Last I saw a huge number of those gas guzzling trucks and SUV's had "W04" bumper stickers on them cause a lot of red neck conservatives with pencil dicks and an inferiority complex, that want these big gas guzzlers, couldn't accept the reality of increased demand for oil and thus increased cost of fuel. It's like conservatives want to hide their head in the sand, as they so often do, because they believe the 11th ammendment is "Though shalt have cheap gas".
So don't lay this on liberals. If any political entity is responsible for this situation it's conservatives and their inability to deal with reality. You want to drive a big truck or SUV cause you have a small penis, fine, but don't cry to me about the cost of gas. Let's not forget that it's conservatives who are crying for the corporate welfare, not liberals.
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