Unions killing Detroit

I have been a union worker a time or two. Not too fond of unions, but they seem to be a necessary evil to offset the capitalistic slave syndrome that AHZ worries about and is a real offshoot of unregulated capitalism.

Doing away with unions does lower our standard of living for those working in many industries.
 
uscitizen said:
I have been a union worker a time or two. Not too fond of unions, but they seem to be a necessary evil to offset the capitalistic slave syndrome that AHZ worries about and is a real offshoot of unregulated capitalism.

Doing away with unions does lower our standard of living for those working in many industries.
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most union workers have your level of schooling or more.:pke:
 
uscitizen said:
I have been a union worker a time or two. Not too fond of unions, but they seem to be a necessary evil to offset the capitalistic slave syndrome that AHZ worries about and is a real offshoot of unregulated capitalism.

Doing away with unions does lower our standard of living for those working in many industries.
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Unions are also responsible for helping people make large hourly wages for doing mindless assemplyline work that could be done by robotics quite easily.

It is also in the union's best interest that the workers and management NOT get along. Its where their strength lies.
 
Solitary said:
Unions are also responsible for helping people make large hourly wages for doing mindless assemplyline work that could be done by robotics quite easily.

It is also in the union's best interest that the workers and management NOT get along. Its where their strength lies.
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Yep and for that reason many thousands of assembly line workers have been replaced by robots.
It is not yet cost effective to replace all the workers with robots though.

I am not a luddite.
 
Solitary said:
"Notwithstanding any other provision of this sec9
tion, whenever a petition shall have been filed by an em10
ployee or group of employees or any individual or labor
11 organization acting in their behalf alleging that a majority
12 of employees in a unit appropriate for the purposes of col13
lective bargaining wish to be represented by an individual
14 or labor organization for such purposes, the Board shall
15 investigate the petition. If the Board finds that a majority
16 of the employees in a unit appropriate for bargaining has
17 signed valid authorizations designating the individual or
18 labor organization specified in the petition as their bar19
gaining representative and that no other individual or
20 labor organization is currently certified or recognized as
21 the exclusive representative of any of the employees in the
22 unit, the Board shall not direct an election but shall certify
23 the individual or labor organization as the representative
24 described in subsection (a)."



That clearly states that if they can show the majority that "the Board shall not direct an election ".

In other words, if they show enough signed cards they do not have an election, as was done in the past, but go directly to union representation.

Ok, now that I have shown you EXACTLY where in the legislation is says what I claimed, how about retracting your statements?

Or is that too much to ask?
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That provision merely provides for an alternative method of union authorization in addition to the NLRB election, not in lieu of an NLRB election. The NLRB election would still be one method for determining whether a majority of a given bargaining unit wanted union representation. It simply wouldn't be the only method.

The card check system that this bill would authorized was standard practice for many years and existed in conjunction with NLRB elections for more than 50 years. That is until the Bush appointees to the NLRB decided to make the card check process illegal. This bill merely returns the status quo.
 
Having grown up in Detroit I can say from experience that unions were the best thing to happen to workers without any question.

The problems that Detroit is experiencing today has absolutely nothing to do with unions and everything to do with the failure of top-heavy US automakers to produce affordable and fuel-efficient cars .. and the fact the autos and steel were the backbone of Detroit's economy.

Reagan entered office union-busting .. make that worker-busting .. but didn't produce gains for American workers of families.
 
blackascoal said:
Having grown up in Detroit I can say from experience that unions were the best thing to happen to workers without any question.

The problems that Detroit is experiencing today has absolutely nothing to do with unions and everything to do with the failure of top-heavy US automakers to produce affordable and fuel-efficient cars .. and the fact the autos and steel were the backbone of Detroit's economy.

Reagan entered office union-busting .. make that worker-busting .. but didn't produce gains for American workers of families.
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as a socialist supporter who would be shocked that you don't know shit about business.:pke:
 
what did I say
Killing Detroit ie. the big three and the city.
Yes some extreemly overpaid hs grads are hanging on to the sinking ship and the city is now a shithole.
But it was the best thing that ever happened to workers. wait for it BHAHAHAH
wonder why socialism has been such a HUGE failure EVERYWHERE see Detroit.
 
Topspin said:
what did I say
Killing Detroit ie. the big three and the city.
Yes some extreemly overpaid hs grads are hanging on to the sinking ship and the city is now a shithole.
But it was the best thing that ever happened to workers. wait for it BHAHAHAH
wonder why socialism has been such a HUGE failure EVERYWHERE see Detroit.
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An absolutely ridiculous conclusion.

Unemployment rates: US Cities

13. Detroit-Warren-Livonia, Mich.: 8.1

12. Yuba City, Calif.: 8.2

11. Visalia-Porterville, Calif.: 8.4

10. Monroe, Mich.: 8.5

9. Pine Bluff, Ark.: 8.6

8. Saginaw-Saginaw Township North, Mich.: 8.7

7. Kokomo, Ind.: 8.9

6. Merced, Calif.: 9.2

5. Pascagoula, Miss.: 9.4

4. Flint, Mich.: 10

3. Gulfport-Biloxi, Miss.: 11.6

2. El Centro, Calif.: 17.3

1. Yuma, Ariz.:21.4

Did unions kill the economy in Yuma, Arizona?

No unions in Mississippi where even the dogs are trying to move from.

Ridiculous

.. and on the failure of socialism .. don't look now but it ain't going nowhere .. nationalized health care, social security, Medicaid/Medicare .. on and on.
 
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