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Mott the Hoople said:
They knocked it down! Duh!!

It failed to prevent people in East Berlin from excaping into the west nor did it stop the flow of information from the west into East Berlin where the people learned of the superior living conditions in the west. When they did the Berlin Wall ultimately failed.
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Mott, what about the role that Czechoslovakia and Hungary played in enabling that to happen. You are Irish not Russian, stop trying to rewrite history.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
The Mongols didn't have to contend with night vision goggles, helicopters, sensors, etc.
The Mongols also didn't have to worry about a unified nation, as China was broken into several states at this time.
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You are a fool of staggering proportion if you think that putting a wall on our border with Mexico would work. This is not a partisan issue. I find the idea repulsive because it is inhumane, as a symbol it contradicts the value of freedom and liberty this nation stands for, it would cost a ton of tax payers money and there's no way possible that it would work. It would simply be throwing money away. It would also serve as a symbol that the Mexican people are our enemy, a notion I utterly and completely reject.

If you think throwing money, technology and people at this idea would make it work you're a damned fool. Study your history and learn from it! No wall of this nature has EVER succeeded for more than a very short period of time. It simply could not work. It would just be a SOP to chickenshit bigots afraid of poor people immigrating here to make a better life for themselves that would waste a staggering sum of the tax payers money that would be far better spent elsewhere.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
You are a fool of staggering proportion if you think that putting a wall on our border with Mexico would work. This is not a partisan issue. I find the idea repulsive because it is inhumane, as a symbol it contradicts the value of freedom and liberty this nation stands for, it would cost a ton of tax payers money and there's no way possible that it would work. It would simply be throwing money away. It would also serve as a symbol that the Mexican people are our enemy, a notion I utterly and completely reject.

If you think throwing money, technology and people at this idea would make it work you're a damned fool. Study your history and learn from it! No wall of this nature has EVER succeeded for more than a very short period of time. It simply could not work. It would just be a SOP to chickenshit bigots afraid of poor people immigrating here to make a better life for themselves.
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There is already a wall...in San Diego.

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patriot66 said:
Good idea, all for it, but what about the criminals that crossed the border already?
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This is where the GOP and right wingers completely have their head up their ass and this sort of response is indicitive, as a symptom, of the disease infesting the GOP. The vast overwhelming majority of these immigrants are NOT criminals. That's just bigoted language used by cowards to dehumanize people they are frightened of. Chicken shit cowards.
 
Threedee said:
There was something about the USSR collapsing, which played a part in how and why the Krauts were able to knock that wall down and get away with it, as I recall...
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Jesus Christ 3D! For a history major you sure didn't study hard. The Berlin Wall essentially came down in 1989. The Soviet Union didn't dissolve until two years later in 1991. So you have it ass backwards.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
Mott, what about the role that Czechoslovakia and Hungary played in enabling that to happen. You are Irish not Russian, stop trying to rewrite history.
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and stop being obtuse. The point here is that ultimately The Berlin Wall failed. At best it was a temporary stop gap measure for less than 30 years and it failed in the mission it was built for which is why it was tore down.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
No, the Berlin Wall was incredibly effective. It was the taking down of the Iron Curtain in Hungary and Czechoslovakia that did for it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...7/Why-the-Berlin-Wall-came-tumbling-down.html
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Technically speaking "The Iron Curtain" was a wall too....and it also failed....didn't it? So yes, I do agree....the fall of the Iron Curtain accelerated the fall of the Berlin Wall.....which is my point. These kinds of walls have ultimately failed. The Soviets were not able to keep Western Europe out of Eastern Europe. The wall(s) failed! For a short time they may work but ultimately they fail.

So the last thing we need here in the US is our own "Iron Curtain" on the Mexican border.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
and stop being obtuse. The point here is that ultimately The Berlin Wall failed. At best it was a temporary stop gap measure for less than 30 years and it failed in the mission it was built for which is why it was tore down.
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All I am trying to say is that the Berlin Wall didn't fail, it was the Iron Curtain that failed because the Hungarians and Czechs had enough and allowed East Germans to circumvent the Wall. Whether a similar wall would work in the US, I very much doubt it although you could probably lower the costs by getting illegals to build it!!
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Technically speaking "The Iron Curtain" was a wall too....and it also failed....didn't it? So yes, I do agree....the fall of the Iron Curtain accelerated the fall of the Berlin Wall.....which is my point. These kinds of walls have ultimately failed. The Soviets were not able to keep Western Europe out of Eastern Europe. The wall(s) failed! For a short time they may work but ultimately they fail.

So the last thing we need here in the US is our own "Iron Curtain" on the Mexican border.
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The failure was due to politics not the physical presence of the Wall.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Nice evasion. Now please answer the question. How affective is the Berlin Wall today? How well is it working today?
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Thanks, DS, perhaps you could start up a debate about the meanings of "burden" and "evade," while you're at it. How effective is the current 5 Year Plan (2010-2015) in the USSR, with particular attention paid to agriculture, just so we can form some sort of comparison to our own Farm Bill that is being passed.
 
Threedee said:
Thanks, DS, perhaps you could start up a debate about the meanings of "burden" and "evade," while you're at it. How effective is the current 5 Year Plan (2010-2015) in the USSR, with particular attention paid to agriculture, just so we can form some sort of comparison to our own Farm Bill that is being passed.
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The USSR ceased to exist in 1991!!
 
when you build a partial wall, people go around it. If you built a wall that went from California to Florida, they would tunnel under it, go by boat around it or fly over it.

We would spend a lot of money, hurt the environment, and not fix the problem.
 
The Berlin Wall failed by any rational measure. The prison state it created made it very expensive to supply the needs of the inhabitants and eventually it had to come down. A similar result will happen if we build a wall of the same sorts along the border with Mexico as it will further restrict the free flow of goods. Of course, that same sort of wall is not really what is being suggested and a less militarized border will be less effective in restricting the flow of illegal immigrants.
 
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