The Dumbest Journalist Ever!

[Phantasmal]

Your ignorance is showing.

Whats your point ?....air leaks from you car tires every day, should be stop using our cars and throw away the tires....

No, you keep filling the tires with air, at least that is what normal people do, but if you stop using your car,and throw the tires away, you are stupid. The analogy doesn't work.

 

[I'm Watermark]

Fence won't work. Hoople summed up the reasons, although perhaps in less gentle language than I would have used.

Along with the fence not working, you know what it will do? Break up migration lines for animals. Animals don't stop at the border; they need to cross back and forth seasonally. If we build a fence, once again we'll be messing with Mother Nature.

And she doesn't like it when we do that....

You're completely right there. If this goes through, left wing groups, academics, and environmentalists will be raising hell.

 

[cancel2 2022]

Rana seens to be under the impression that a large number of folks actually escaped over the wall during those 28 years.....but then
she does live in an alternate reality.

Mott and Rana are probably scouring the internet for why the wall was a failure as they claim....

It is called a wall but in actual fact it was a double wall separated by a no man's land with microphones, dogs, mines and a killing field overlooked by sentries in towers.

That reminds of a very non PC joke by the late great Bernard Manning.

My grandfather died at Auschwitz, it was very very sad. He fell out of the machine gun tower'.

source: http://www.jokes4us.com/

 

[cawacko]

It is called a wall but in actual fact it was a double wall separated by a no man's land with microphones, dogs, mines and a killing field overlooked by sentries in towers.

I watched a Netflix documentary on the Berlin Wall recently and yeah it was just like you described, freaking crazy. It obviously grew that way over time. There was almost no chance someone was escaping.

 

[tekkychick]

171 people were killed or died attempting to escape at the Berlin Wall between August 13, 1961 and November 9, 1989.

Approx 5,000 people are known to have attempted it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Wall

some say most of them got over it
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/berlin-wall-built

We'll probably never know for sure - those that got over successfully couldn't be counted because no one would know.

 

[Timshel]

And when we cut through the bullshit and look at what you're actually saying, all we see is, the US has a problem with illegal immigrants and lo and behold, its our fault...

How typical of pinhead thinking.....do you also blame the victim instead of the rapist ?...blame the bank instead of the robber ?
How about the gun instead of the shooter ?....

Who is victimized by an act of immigration?

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Problem with sanctions - we already have them; they don't work too well; and they can lead to discrimination.

We need a much better visa program that doesn't take forever. We need a GOOD guest worker program so we can get the workers from south of the border that our farmers and other industries need, but that ensures they are paid fairly, treated fairly, aren't used to undercut other workers, and somehow accounts for the fact that many of them will go back south to retire, instead of collecting social security here. Or we need to send their earned payments to them down south.

Sanctions don't work too well:
http://www.migrationinformation.org/usfocus/display.cfm?ID=332

Sanctions and discrimination:
http://lawdigitalcommons.bc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1329&context=twlj

Farmers need them:
http://blog.al.com/wire/2012/05/some_alabama_farmers_cut_back.html
http://blog.al.com/wire/2011/10/crackdown_on_illegal_immigrant.html

No sanction ever works when it's not enforced.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

So you think regular people eat pudding with a knife and fork?

No. Regular people eat "solid" food with a knife and fork. Only "special" people like you need to eat pudding with a plastic spoon so as to avoid injury.

 

[NOVA]

Who is victimized by an act of immigration?

No body is victimized by legal immigration.

We are all victimized by illegal immigration.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Yeah, the Berlin Wall actually worked. Granted, it was utilized to slow down would-be crossers so that guard tower gunmen and snipers could do the real work.

Really? How's it doing today?

 

[Mott the Hoople]

I watched a Netflix documentary on the Berlin Wall recently and yeah it was just like you described, freaking crazy. It obviously grew that way over time. There was almost no chance someone was escaping.

.....and yet it still failed.

 

[cawacko]

.....and yet it still failed.

In what way?

 

[Timshel]

No body is victimized by legal immigration.

We are all victimized by illegal immigration.

Nonsense. You are arguing collectivist notions of crime. It does not compare to rape or a shooting victim which has a specific victim. It compares more to someone who violates tax laws or fails to comply with a regulation, like one for firearms.

Regardless... so you think we should structure our laws in a way that ensures we are "victimized"?

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Well then you're a complete and total moron who needs to eat pudding with plastic spoon to keep from poking your own eye out.

It won't work. It can't work and only a moron of staggering stupidity couldn't see that. The only thing such a fence would do is waste a vast amount of money and the only purpose it would serve would be as a collosal monument to stupidity.

Let me ask you this. If the Great Wall couldn't keep the Mongols out what makes you think this would work? If the Maginot line couldn't keep the Germans out what makes you think this would work? If the Siegfreid line couldn't keep us out of Germany what makes you think this would work?

The answers obvious. It wouldn't work and it couldn't work. It one of the most incredibly stupid ideas ever thought of in this country and one would have to be incredibly stupid not to see that.

The Mongols didn't have to contend with night vision goggles, helicopters, sensors, etc.
The Mongols also didn't have to worry about a unified nation, as China was broken into several states at this time.

 

[Airstrip One]

Really? How's it doing today?

Is that what passes for a rebuttal in Ohio? No shit, Sherlock, what's the current state of the USSR's 2010-2015 plan?

 

[cancel2 2022]

Approx 5,000 people are known to have attempted it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Wall

some say most of them got over it
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/berlin-wall-built

We'll probably never know for sure - those that got over successfully couldn't be counted because no one would know.

Yes in the very early days whilst they were completing it, there were precious few once it was finished.

 

[patriot66]

Make them citizens who pay taxes, then they help foot the bills.

They haven't so far, what makes you think they will now? What about all those who came into the country, and did it legally, also they are already a burden on the health system, giving them legal status will just make it worse, what we make in taxes won't cover it

 

[patriot66]

Sure here's a solution that would work. Anyone who knowingly hires or employs an illegal alien will be fined $10,000 and sentenced to not less than 6 months in jail per occurance.

Wow....solved the problem with out killing brown people! Who would have thought it possible?

Good idea, all for it, but what about the criminals that crossed the border already?

 

[Mott the Hoople]

In what way?

They knocked it down! Duh!!

It failed to prevent people in East Berlin from excaping into the west nor did it stop the flow of information from the west into East Berlin where the people learned of the superior living conditions in the west. When they did the Berlin Wall ultimately failed.

 

[Airstrip One]

There was something about the USSR collapsing, which played a part in how and why the Krauts were able to knock that wall down and get away with it, as I recall...