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I've been thinking about this scenario, and there is a flaw.. Let me try again... Indians live here... we come over and kill a bunch of them, and run the rest into Mexico, fleeing for their lives, because we didn't even want to put them on reservations, we thought they all needed to be exterminated like bugs. So, in 1948... the Soviet Union crushes the US and takes occupation of the territory... but instead of being iron-fisted Communists, they resolve to turn the matter over to the UN, who decides to allow ancestors of the displaced Native American tribes, to return to the lands rightfully owned by their forefathers... and so they do, the Indians all move back to parts of the US their tribes inhabited before... A while later, some Anarchist Confederates emerge, and begin to build homestead settlements all through the Southern US. They claim that this land is rightfully theirs, and they deserve to have their own homeland. Pinheads in Russia clamor; Well, if it's right to let the Indians return, then the Confederates should have their own homeland too... it's only fair!

....Much better scenario! There is no Palestinian people, there was no Palestine, and the people who claim to have a right to the lands have NO right whatsoever, and never did.

as the son of a native american, i support giving it back to the native americans - not that that will ever happen

ps some of the native americans went to canada...and some left the blanket and passed as white...like my father
 
as the son of a native american, i support giving it back to the native americans - not that that will ever happen

ps some of the native americans went to canada...and some left the blanket and passed as white...like my father

It's not likely that will ever happen, but that is what happened with the Jewish people in 1948, they were given Israel back by the UN, and allowed to return to their homeland. Now these terrorists, calling themselves "Palestinians" want to lay claim to their lands.
 
It's not likely that will ever happen, but that is what happened with the Jewish people in 1948, they were given Israel back by the UN, and allowed to return to their homeland. Now these terrorists, calling themselves "Palestinians" want to lay claim to their lands.

I used to feel a little sorry for you when people were taking the piss out of you all the time, but I now see why. How the fuck anyone can defend 3/4 million people being ethnically cleansed from villages that had been there for hundreds of years because God told them to is just insane. By the way, the majority of the Jewish Zionist leaders were secular and didn't even believe in a God.
 
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1) Yes I do know that it is mandated by God, and so does every Christian and every other believer in the word of God. The Islamics do not believe in the God of Abraham, they believe in Allah, a completely different entity. Islam is a perversion of Christianity. Allah and God are not the same thing, and if you believe they are, you are ignorant of the facts and haven't read the Qaran or studied the religion.

You are an idiot then. Islam is most certainly an Abrahamic religion. Right along side Judaism and Christianity. They all believe in the same 'God/Entity' though they may call him by different names. Note: 'Allah' is Arabic for GOD ditzie.


No, you have an all-out personal vendetta against Christianity and Christians, it is apparent in many of your posts. If you wish to deny it, that's fine, I don't blame you... but them's the facts. Christianity is an offspring of Judaism, that's why it has to do with Christians and Christian belief, but not only Christians, ANY religion which believes in the God of Abraham, understands it was God's edict that Israel is the rightful homeland of the Jews. It's a "big deal" because you are asking and expecting people to defy a direct order from God.... ain't gonna happen dude!

You are an idiot. I was born and raised a Catholic. While I am agnostic now, the only problem I have with those who believe in Christianity (or any religion) is the absolutism that SOME display. I will correct false statements by 'Christians' such as yourself who clearly have no understanding of Islam.

Note to moron: Islam believes in the God of Abraham. Muhammad is believed to be a direct descendant of Ishmael, Abraham's son.

Doesn't matter when the Bible was written or by whom. The mandate from God predates the Bible by a few thousand years or so, and was widely taught in Judaism long before Christianity. And according to believers of God, the Bible was DIVINELY INSPIRED by God and written by men. Let's make sure we clarify that.

So SAY the people that wrote the bible. The very SAME thing Joseph Smith said about the book of Mormon. Hmmmmm....

Where do you get that I have stomped my feet? I merely pointed out the historical facts of the matter, to which you can't refute other than to say you don't believe in God and as such, don't believe God commanded such an edict. All I can say is, an awful lot MORE people DO believe in God, and KNOW he mandated such an edict, without question.

Genesis 21:13
 
No... I am not God and it's not ten's of thousands of years ago.

Oh come on, Trixie. You say you are not god yet the similarities are hard to deny. You exist only as shadows on my screen. Nothing you say is relevant and what you do say has no bearing on the truth.

On your bent and twisted knees, bigot, and pray that the other brain cell that is rattling around in your skull kicks into action and an original thought is formed.
 
It's not likely that will ever happen, but that is what happened with the Jewish people in 1948, they were given Israel back by the UN, and allowed to return to their homeland. Now these terrorists, calling themselves "Palestinians" want to lay claim to their lands.

So the land was 'promised' them by god but it took man to make it happen. Further proof that man made god in his own image.
 
It's not likely that will ever happen, but that is what happened with the Jewish people in 1948, they were given Israel back by the UN, and allowed to return to their homeland. Now these terrorists, calling themselves "Palestinians" want to lay claim to their lands.

And you're an idiot. The land was never theirs, in the first place. It has always been in dispute, since time immemorial.
The land belonging to them has been a pipe dream in their own minds, and nowhere else.
It would be likened to the Native Americans having been made refugees (which they actually were), and the U.N. coming along and re-creating their nation and making refugees of the various Americans. Nice, right? Justified...since the land belonged to them in the first place. You can't have it both ways.
 
Still waiting for your explanation, Mr. T (LOL). If you'd rather not for fear of looking an absolute twat, I will quite understand.

BTW your comments, like your breaths, are wasted. I have no idea who either of the people to whom you refer are, nor am I interested.

Why should I even try to explain when you cannot comprehend the significance of the remark.

Use some common sense and you may get it.



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You are an idiot then. Islam is most certainly an Abrahamic religion. Right along side Judaism and Christianity. They all believe in the same 'God/Entity' though they may call him by different names. Note: 'Allah' is Arabic for GOD ditzie.




You are an idiot. I was born and raised a Catholic. While I am agnostic now, the only problem I have with those who believe in Christianity (or any religion) is the absolutism that SOME display. I will correct false statements by 'Christians' such as yourself who clearly have no understanding of Islam.

Note to moron: Islam believes in the God of Abraham. Muhammad is believed to be a direct descendant of Ishmael, Abraham's son.



So SAY the people that wrote the bible. The very SAME thing Joseph Smith said about the book of Mormon. Hmmmmm....



Genesis 21:13


First of all, some history:

The term Allāh is derived from a contraction of the Arabic definite article al- "the" and ʾilāh "deity, god" to al-lāh meaning "the [sole] deity, God" (ὁ θεὸς μόνος, ho theos monos).[8] Cognates of the name "Allāh" exist in other Semitic languages, including Hebrew and Aramaic.[9] Biblical Hebrew mostly uses the plural form (but functional singular) Elohim. The corresponding Aramaic form is ʼĔlāhā ܐܠܗܐ in Biblical Aramaic and ʼAlâhâ ܐܲܠܵܗܵܐ in Syriac as used by the Assyrian Church, both meaning simply "God".[10] In the Sikh scriptures, Guru Granth Sahib, the term Allah, Punjabi (Gurmukhi): ਅਲਹੁ is used 46 times respectively.
The name was previously used by pagan Meccans as a reference to a creator deity, possibly the supreme deity in pre-Islamic Arabia.[11][12] The concepts associated with the term Allah (as a deity) differ among religious traditions. In pre-Islamic Arabia amongst pagan Arabs, Allah was not considered the sole divinity, having associates and companions, sons and daughters–a concept that was deleted under the process of Islamization. In Islam, the name Allah is the supreme and all-comprehensive divine name, and all other divine names are believed to refer back to Allah.[13] Allah is unique, the only Deity, creator of the universe and omnipotent.[5][6] Arab Christians today use terms such as Allāh al-ʾAb (الله الأب, "God the Father") to distinguish their usage from Muslim usage.[14] There are both similarities and differences between the concept of God as portrayed in the Qur'an and the Hebrew Bible.[15] It has also been applied to certain living human beings as personifications of the term and concept.[16][17]

In pre-Islamic Arabia, Allah was used by Meccans as a reference to the creator-god, possibly the supreme deity. Allah was not considered the sole divinity; however, Allah was considered the creator of the world and the giver of rain. The notion of the term may have been vague in the Meccan religion.[8] Allah was associated with companions, whom pre-Islamic Arabs considered as subordinate deities. Meccans held that a kind of kinship existed between Allah and the jinn.[21] Allah was thought to have had sons[22] and that the local deities of al-ʿUzzā, Manāt and al-Lāt were His daughters.[23] The Meccans possibly associated angels with Allah.[24][25] Allah was invoked in times of distress.[25][26] Muhammad's father's name was ʿAbd-Allāh meaning "the slave of Allāh"[25]

Some scholars[who?] have suggested that Muhammad used the term Allah in addressing both pagan Arabs and Jews or Christians in order to establish a common ground for the understanding of the name for God, a claim Gerhard Böwering says is doubtful.[27] According to Böwering, in contrast with Pre-Islamic Arabian polytheism, God in Islam does not have associates and companions nor is there any kinship between God and jinn.[27] Pre-Islamic pagan Arabs believed in a blind, powerful, inexorable and insensible fate over which man had no control. This was replaced with the Islamic notion of a powerful but provident and merciful God.[33]
According to Francis Edwards Peters, "The Qur'an insists, Muslims believe, and historians affirm that Muhammad and his followers worship the same God as the Jews (29:46). The Koran's Allah is the same Creator God who covenanted with Abraham". Peters states that the Qur'an portrays Allah as both more powerful and more remote than Yahweh, and as a universal deity, unlike Yahweh who closely follows Israelites.[15]

Here is a comprehensive study of the differences between Allah (Islamic God) and Yahweh (Christian God):
http://www.studytoanswer.net/myths_ch3.html#ch3-11

Here is another angle:
http://www.danielpipes.org/2714/is-allah-god

And one more:
http://www.minuteswithmessiah.com/question/notsame.html

From the link:

One of the biggest fictions about Islam is that they worship the same God as the Christians or the Jews. “Allah” may have come to mean “God,” but was originally the name of one of the minor deities of the Arabic peninsula. When Muhammed received the Qur’an he said it came from this one of the gods of the neighborhood, and claimed that he was the One God and all others were not real gods. But even if you accept that Allah is supposed to be the same God as that of the Jews or Christians, then he must have changed his whole nature in the 400 years between Jesus and Muhammed.

Several differences may serve to make the point. The God worshipped by Christians is a God of peace, history notwithstanding. Christianity advocates being at peace with all men. It advocates peaceful spreading of a gospel of grace to willing converts. Islam, on the other hand, advocates spreading the word through force, and endorses killing unbelievers. Regardless of the doctrines proposed by John Calvin, the Christian scriptures indicate that man has free will, and may choose to believe God or not. Islam teaches that God will save those he chooses to save, whether they want to be saved or not, and especially that one who obeys Allah all his life may be rejected merely because Allah chooses to reject him for no apparent reason, or simply because the person is a woman.

If they are the same person, one wonders why Allah and God can’t agree on history. The Jewish scriptures tell of Isaac as the heir of Abraham who was placed on an altar and saved at the last minute, while Islam says Ishmael was that person. The standard explanation for the difference is that the Jews corrupted the writings for their own purposes, but that Allah says it was Ishmael. That leaves a god who either changed history, or didn’t care when history was rewritten by someone else. The Isaac account dates back at least to several years before Jesus was born, according to documentary evidence. If that is so, and if Jesus was truly a prophet of Allah as it says in Qur’an, would he not correct the error, instead of perpetuating it as he did (Matthew 8:11; Mark 12:26; Luke 13:28, 20:37)? How could a prophet of Allah not correct such a gross error?

Most importantly, a Christian can not believe they are the same God because Christians believe that Jesus is the “only begotten of the Father” (John 1:14) and the “son of God” (Matthew 16:16-17). They believe that God allowed his son to die on a cross, a sinless sacrifice, so that men could be saved from their sins through faith in him. They believe that “there is no other name under heaven, given among men, whereby we must be saved.” (Acts 4:12) They believe that if God had been able to save man in any other way, surely he would have done so, but he didn’t. They (we) believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the focal point of all history, the one forward to whom all the Old Testament scriptures point and backward to whom all the New Testament scriptures point. All of this is repudiated by the Allah of Islam, who says in his Qur’an that it is error to think that one could call himself a son of Allah and that Jesus did not die on a cross. It is inconceivable to think that the God who said, “This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased” (Matthew 3:17) could also say “Allah is only one God; far be It from His glory that He should have a son.” (Sura 4:171)

A Christian can not believe that the God of Christianity and the Allah of Islam are one and the same. Nor do I know of any Muslim that truly believes that, either. There may be some in both groups that believe it, but in doing so they necessarily compromise their faith.

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So we can clearly see, there is at least some dispute on this matter... why do you want to pretend there isn't? Are you a practicing Muslim?
 
First of all, some history:

The term Allāh is derived from a contraction of the Arabic definite article al- "the" and ʾilāh "deity, god" to al-lāh meaning "the [sole] deity, God" (ὁ θεὸς μόνος, ho theos monos).[8] Cognates of the name "Allāh" exist in other Semitic languages, including Hebrew and Aramaic.[9] Biblical Hebrew mostly uses the plural form (but functional singular) Elohim. The corresponding Aramaic form is ʼĔlāhā ܐܠܗܐ in Biblical Aramaic and ʼAlâhâ ܐܲܠܵܗܵܐ in Syriac as used by the Assyrian Church, both meaning simply "God".[10] In the Sikh scriptures, Guru Granth Sahib, the term Allah, Punjabi (Gurmukhi): ਅਲਹੁ is used 46 times respectively.
The name was previously used by pagan Meccans as a reference to a creator deity, possibly the supreme deity in pre-Islamic Arabia.[11][12] The concepts associated with the term Allah (as a deity) differ among religious traditions. In pre-Islamic Arabia amongst pagan Arabs, Allah was not considered the sole divinity, having associates and companions, sons and daughters–a concept that was deleted under the process of Islamization. In Islam, the name Allah is the supreme and all-comprehensive divine name, and all other divine names are believed to refer back to Allah.[13] Allah is unique, the only Deity, creator of the universe and omnipotent.[5][6] Arab Christians today use terms such as Allāh al-ʾAb (الله الأب, "God the Father") to distinguish their usage from Muslim usage.[14] There are both similarities and differences between the concept of God as portrayed in the Qur'an and the Hebrew Bible.[15] It has also been applied to certain living human beings as personifications of the term and concept.[16][17]

In pre-Islamic Arabia, Allah was used by Meccans as a reference to the creator-god, possibly the supreme deity. Allah was not considered the sole divinity; however, Allah was considered the creator of the world and the giver of rain. The notion of the term may have been vague in the Meccan religion.[8] Allah was associated with companions, whom pre-Islamic Arabs considered as subordinate deities. Meccans held that a kind of kinship existed between Allah and the jinn.[21] Allah was thought to have had sons[22] and that the local deities of al-ʿUzzā, Manāt and al-Lāt were His daughters.[23] The Meccans possibly associated angels with Allah.[24][25] Allah was invoked in times of distress.[25][26] Muhammad's father's name was ʿAbd-Allāh meaning "the slave of Allāh"[25]

Some scholars[who?] have suggested that Muhammad used the term Allah in addressing both pagan Arabs and Jews or Christians in order to establish a common ground for the understanding of the name for God, a claim Gerhard Böwering says is doubtful.[27] According to Böwering, in contrast with Pre-Islamic Arabian polytheism, God in Islam does not have associates and companions nor is there any kinship between God and jinn.[27] Pre-Islamic pagan Arabs believed in a blind, powerful, inexorable and insensible fate over which man had no control. This was replaced with the Islamic notion of a powerful but provident and merciful God.[33]
According to Francis Edwards Peters, "The Qur'an insists, Muslims believe, and historians affirm that Muhammad and his followers worship the same God as the Jews (29:46). The Koran's Allah is the same Creator God who covenanted with Abraham". Peters states that the Qur'an portrays Allah as both more powerful and more remote than Yahweh, and as a universal deity, unlike Yahweh who closely follows Israelites.[15]

Here is a comprehensive study of the differences between Allah (Islamic God) and Yahweh (Christian God):
http://www.studytoanswer.net/myths_ch3.html#ch3-11

Here is another angle:
http://www.danielpipes.org/2714/is-allah-god

And one more:
http://www.minuteswithmessiah.com/question/notsame.html

From the link:

One of the biggest fictions about Islam is that they worship the same God as the Christians or the Jews. “Allah” may have come to mean “God,” but was originally the name of one of the minor deities of the Arabic peninsula. When Muhammed received the Qur’an he said it came from this one of the gods of the neighborhood, and claimed that he was the One God and all others were not real gods. But even if you accept that Allah is supposed to be the same God as that of the Jews or Christians, then he must have changed his whole nature in the 400 years between Jesus and Muhammed.

Several differences may serve to make the point. The God worshipped by Christians is a God of peace, history notwithstanding. Christianity advocates being at peace with all men. It advocates peaceful spreading of a gospel of grace to willing converts. Islam, on the other hand, advocates spreading the word through force, and endorses killing unbelievers. Regardless of the doctrines proposed by John Calvin, the Christian scriptures indicate that man has free will, and may choose to believe God or not. Islam teaches that God will save those he chooses to save, whether they want to be saved or not, and especially that one who obeys Allah all his life may be rejected merely because Allah chooses to reject him for no apparent reason, or simply because the person is a woman.

If they are the same person, one wonders why Allah and God can’t agree on history. The Jewish scriptures tell of Isaac as the heir of Abraham who was placed on an altar and saved at the last minute, while Islam says Ishmael was that person. The standard explanation for the difference is that the Jews corrupted the writings for their own purposes, but that Allah says it was Ishmael. That leaves a god who either changed history, or didn’t care when history was rewritten by someone else. The Isaac account dates back at least to several years before Jesus was born, according to documentary evidence. If that is so, and if Jesus was truly a prophet of Allah as it says in Qur’an, would he not correct the error, instead of perpetuating it as he did (Matthew 8:11; Mark 12:26; Luke 13:28, 20:37)? How could a prophet of Allah not correct such a gross error?

Most importantly, a Christian can not believe they are the same God because Christians believe that Jesus is the “only begotten of the Father” (John 1:14) and the “son of God” (Matthew 16:16-17). They believe that God allowed his son to die on a cross, a sinless sacrifice, so that men could be saved from their sins through faith in him. They believe that “there is no other name under heaven, given among men, whereby we must be saved.” (Acts 4:12) They believe that if God had been able to save man in any other way, surely he would have done so, but he didn’t. They (we) believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the focal point of all history, the one forward to whom all the Old Testament scriptures point and backward to whom all the New Testament scriptures point. All of this is repudiated by the Allah of Islam, who says in his Qur’an that it is error to think that one could call himself a son of Allah and that Jesus did not die on a cross. It is inconceivable to think that the God who said, “This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased” (Matthew 3:17) could also say “Allah is only one God; far be It from His glory that He should have a son.” (Sura 4:171)

A Christian can not believe that the God of Christianity and the Allah of Islam are one and the same. Nor do I know of any Muslim that truly believes that, either. There may be some in both groups that believe it, but in doing so they necessarily compromise their faith.

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So we can clearly see, there is at least some dispute on this matter... why do you want to pretend there isn't? Are you a practicing Muslim?


One God, means "one God", the father of all. Man creates division and divisiveness...not God.
 
One God, means "one God", the father of all. Man creates division and divisiveness...not God.

Allah is not the same God as Yahweh, and the differences are numerous and stark. Yes, Muslims CLAIM they are one in the same, that is a LIE. The LIE is exposed when you study the concept of Allah as compared to concepts Christians have of God. They are completely different.
 
First of all, some history:

The term Allāh is derived from a contraction of the Arabic definite article al- "the" and ʾilāh "deity, god" to al-lāh meaning "the [sole] deity, God" (ὁ θεὸς μόνος, ho theos monos).[8] Cognates of the name "Allāh" exist in other Semitic languages, including Hebrew and Aramaic.[9] Biblical Hebrew mostly uses the plural form (but functional singular) Elohim. The corresponding Aramaic form is ʼĔlāhā ܐܠܗܐ in Biblical Aramaic and ʼAlâhâ ܐܲܠܵܗܵܐ in Syriac as used by the Assyrian Church, both meaning simply "God".[10] In the Sikh scriptures, Guru Granth Sahib, the term Allah, Punjabi (Gurmukhi): ਅਲਹੁ is used 46 times respectively.
The name was previously used by pagan Meccans as a reference to a creator deity, possibly the supreme deity in pre-Islamic Arabia.[11][12] The concepts associated with the term Allah (as a deity) differ among religious traditions. In pre-Islamic Arabia amongst pagan Arabs, Allah was not considered the sole divinity, having associates and companions, sons and daughters–a concept that was deleted under the process of Islamization. In Islam, the name Allah is the supreme and all-comprehensive divine name, and all other divine names are believed to refer back to Allah.[13] Allah is unique, the only Deity, creator of the universe and omnipotent.[5][6] Arab Christians today use terms such as Allāh al-ʾAb (الله الأب, "God the Father") to distinguish their usage from Muslim usage.[14] There are both similarities and differences between the concept of God as portrayed in the Qur'an and the Hebrew Bible.[15] It has also been applied to certain living human beings as personifications of the term and concept.[16][17]

In pre-Islamic Arabia, Allah was used by Meccans as a reference to the creator-god, possibly the supreme deity. Allah was not considered the sole divinity; however, Allah was considered the creator of the world and the giver of rain. The notion of the term may have been vague in the Meccan religion.[8] Allah was associated with companions, whom pre-Islamic Arabs considered as subordinate deities. Meccans held that a kind of kinship existed between Allah and the jinn.[21] Allah was thought to have had sons[22] and that the local deities of al-ʿUzzā, Manāt and al-Lāt were His daughters.[23] The Meccans possibly associated angels with Allah.[24][25] Allah was invoked in times of distress.[25][26] Muhammad's father's name was ʿAbd-Allāh meaning "the slave of Allāh"[25]

Some scholars[who?] have suggested that Muhammad used the term Allah in addressing both pagan Arabs and Jews or Christians in order to establish a common ground for the understanding of the name for God, a claim Gerhard Böwering says is doubtful.[27] According to Böwering, in contrast with Pre-Islamic Arabian polytheism, God in Islam does not have associates and companions nor is there any kinship between God and jinn.[27] Pre-Islamic pagan Arabs believed in a blind, powerful, inexorable and insensible fate over which man had no control. This was replaced with the Islamic notion of a powerful but provident and merciful God.[33]
According to Francis Edwards Peters, "The Qur'an insists, Muslims believe, and historians affirm that Muhammad and his followers worship the same God as the Jews (29:46). The Koran's Allah is the same Creator God who covenanted with Abraham". Peters states that the Qur'an portrays Allah as both more powerful and more remote than Yahweh, and as a universal deity, unlike Yahweh who closely follows Israelites.[15]

Here is a comprehensive study of the differences between Allah (Islamic God) and Yahweh (Christian God):
http://www.studytoanswer.net/myths_ch3.html#ch3-11

Here is another angle:
http://www.danielpipes.org/2714/is-allah-god

And one more:
http://www.minuteswithmessiah.com/question/notsame.html

From the link:

One of the biggest fictions about Islam is that they worship the same God as the Christians or the Jews. “Allah” may have come to mean “God,” but was originally the name of one of the minor deities of the Arabic peninsula. When Muhammed received the Qur’an he said it came from this one of the gods of the neighborhood, and claimed that he was the One God and all others were not real gods. But even if you accept that Allah is supposed to be the same God as that of the Jews or Christians, then he must have changed his whole nature in the 400 years between Jesus and Muhammed.

Several differences may serve to make the point. The God worshipped by Christians is a God of peace, history notwithstanding. Christianity advocates being at peace with all men. It advocates peaceful spreading of a gospel of grace to willing converts. Islam, on the other hand, advocates spreading the word through force, and endorses killing unbelievers. Regardless of the doctrines proposed by John Calvin, the Christian scriptures indicate that man has free will, and may choose to believe God or not. Islam teaches that God will save those he chooses to save, whether they want to be saved or not, and especially that one who obeys Allah all his life may be rejected merely because Allah chooses to reject him for no apparent reason, or simply because the person is a woman.

If they are the same person, one wonders why Allah and God can’t agree on history. The Jewish scriptures tell of Isaac as the heir of Abraham who was placed on an altar and saved at the last minute, while Islam says Ishmael was that person. The standard explanation for the difference is that the Jews corrupted the writings for their own purposes, but that Allah says it was Ishmael. That leaves a god who either changed history, or didn’t care when history was rewritten by someone else. The Isaac account dates back at least to several years before Jesus was born, according to documentary evidence. If that is so, and if Jesus was truly a prophet of Allah as it says in Qur’an, would he not correct the error, instead of perpetuating it as he did (Matthew 8:11; Mark 12:26; Luke 13:28, 20:37)? How could a prophet of Allah not correct such a gross error?

Most importantly, a Christian can not believe they are the same God because Christians believe that Jesus is the “only begotten of the Father” (John 1:14) and the “son of God” (Matthew 16:16-17). They believe that God allowed his son to die on a cross, a sinless sacrifice, so that men could be saved from their sins through faith in him. They believe that “there is no other name under heaven, given among men, whereby we must be saved.” (Acts 4:12) They believe that if God had been able to save man in any other way, surely he would have done so, but he didn’t. They (we) believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the focal point of all history, the one forward to whom all the Old Testament scriptures point and backward to whom all the New Testament scriptures point. All of this is repudiated by the Allah of Islam, who says in his Qur’an that it is error to think that one could call himself a son of Allah and that Jesus did not die on a cross. It is inconceivable to think that the God who said, “This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased” (Matthew 3:17) could also say “Allah is only one God; far be It from His glory that He should have a son.” (Sura 4:171)

A Christian can not believe that the God of Christianity and the Allah of Islam are one and the same. Nor do I know of any Muslim that truly believes that, either. There may be some in both groups that believe it, but in doing so they necessarily compromise their faith.

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So we can clearly see, there is at least some dispute on this matter... why do you want to pretend there isn't? Are you a practicing Muslim?

Dixie you ignorant retard, the three religions are all practiced by the desendents of the three sons of Abraham.

Stop being a moron for just one minute and learn this fact.
 
Allah is not the same God as Yahweh, and the differences are numerous and stark. Yes, Muslims CLAIM they are one in the same, that is a LIE. The LIE is exposed when you study the concept of Allah as compared to concepts Christians have of God. They are completely different.

You are the one lying, most ignorant one. Grow the fuck up and learn something.
 
Allah is not the same God as Yahweh, and the differences are numerous and stark. Yes, Muslims CLAIM they are one in the same, that is a LIE. The LIE is exposed when you study the concept of Allah as compared to concepts Christians have of God. They are completely different.

Sez who? You? LOLOLOLOL
You're an imbecile.
 
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No, says the Koran and The Bible. I posted links to the articles, I even posted part of the text. Seems like a lot of people who are PhDs and stuff, disagree with you... and that doesn't mean I am the imbecile.
I've read parts of the Koran and most of the Bible...and I fail to see the validity of your claims. Common sense dictates that most of the world is monotheistic. That could only mean one thing.
 
Dixie you ignorant retard, the three religions are all practiced by the desendents of the three sons of Abraham.

Stop being a moron for just one minute and learn this fact.

THREE religions? We're talking about Allah (Islamic God) and Yahweh (Christian God). Where is this THIRD religion?

Islam is a perversion of Christianity. Prior to Islamization, Mooslems worshiped the God of the Moon and were polytheist. Most everything in the organized religion of Islam, is copied from Christianity, and redefined.

Claiming Allah is the same as Yahweh, is like claiming McCain is the same as Obama, and showing you a McCain for President bumper sticker to prove it.
 
I've read parts of the Koran and most of the Bible...and I fail to see the validity of your claims. Common sense dictates that most of the world is monotheistic. That could only mean one thing.

Good! Maybe you can answer the question posed in the above article?


If they are the same person, one wonders why Allah and God can’t agree on history. The Jewish scriptures tell of Isaac as the heir of Abraham who was placed on an altar and saved at the last minute, while Islam says Ishmael was that person. The standard explanation for the difference is that the Jews corrupted the writings for their own purposes, but that Allah says it was Ishmael. That leaves a god who either changed history, or didn’t care when history was rewritten by someone else. The Isaac account dates back at least to several years before Jesus was born, according to documentary evidence. If that is so, and if Jesus was truly a prophet of Allah as it says in Qur’an, would he not correct the error, instead of perpetuating it as he did (Matthew 8:11; Mark 12:26; Luke 13:28, 20:37)? How could a prophet of Allah not correct such a gross error?


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