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Superfreak said:
It states that Ishmael shall also lead a nation. (and this is from the Jewish/Christian viewpoints)
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correct. that still doesn't contradict anything he said in the post you quoted. dixie is arguing the land of israel, known by many different names, was promised to the jews by god for all time, never to change, always theirs, regardless. your biblical verse simply states that ishmael shall also receive a nation, it does not state he shall receive the same nation, rather, a separate nation. imo, this is the beginning of the enmity between the two nations or peoples. for thousands of years it went to the back burner until muhammad read christian and jewish texts.
 
Dixie said:
I understand how math works, no need to explain it to me. If someone pointed out that Obama is only 1/2 black, and 1/2 is something else, they would be accused of racism. So in a sense, you've already stooped to that level, not to mention your proud crowing of 'ethnic purity' ...we need to keep our eye on you.

At 1/8, I am more Native American than anything else. Actually, 1/16 Cherokee and 1/16 Choctaw. I also have Asian, African, Creole, Irish and German ancestry. But I guess I shouldn't admit that to someone as ethnically pure as you are, huh?
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You appear to have a hang up about your identity. You need to get over it. You haven't mentioned your 1/16 Palestinian. Trying to keep that quiet?
Just for you, my mentally impovrished half breed, English is highly unlikely to be evidence of racial purity. There was no original English race, so you can shove that where the sun dont shine, idiot.
 
Lowaicue said:
You appear to have a hang up about your identity. You need to get over it. You haven't mentioned your 1/16 Palestinian. Trying to keep that quiet?
Just for you, my mentally impovrished half breed, English is highly unlikely to be evidence of racial purity. There was no original English race, so you can shove that where the sun dont shine, idiot.
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There is also no Palestinian race or Palestinian people.
 
Yurt said:
so god said the land was theirs, even if they turned their backs on him?

you need to read the bible more.

and, the romans had control of israel during jesus' time, yet, he said not to focus on earthly kingdoms, but to focus on heaven. and here you are, focusing on earthly kingdoms.
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He didn't say it was okay to run the Jews out of their rightful homeland, did he? Again.... I am not here to argue Christian theology with you, just to point out the facts. The fact is, God said that is their homeland forever and always... so it shall be. Now, you want to argue is God real? Did God really mean this? Should we obey God's will? Those are all legitimate things one can debate, I am not here to argue that, only to point out the facts. The land doesn't belong to any fictitious people known as "Palestinians" and it has always been understood to be the homeland of the Jews by everyone who believes in God. You can't refute this, no matter how much you try, because this is the truth.
 
Dixie said:
He didn't say it was okay to run the Jews out of their rightful homeland, did he? Again.... I am not here to argue Christian theology with you, just to point out the facts. The fact is, God said that is their homeland forever and always... so it shall be. Now, you want to argue is God real? Did God really mean this? Should we obey God's will? Those are all legitimate things one can debate, I am not here to argue that, only to point out the facts. The land doesn't belong to any fictitious people known as "Palestinians" and it has always been understood to be the homeland of the Jews by everyone who believes in God. You can't refute this, no matter how much you try, because this is the truth.
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Of the seven billion souls who roam this beautiful planet only a minority believe in the same god as you do.

One cannot refute that and similarly you cannot refute my claim through the Fairy of Bacup (long deceased. b: 3542bp, d: 3509 bp) that you are an interloper on my lands and must leave forthwith or suffer the consequences. Don't deny it you half breed, stinking terrorist, Chocktaw, Creole, Mick. Go. We do not recognise your government and will bomb you into the stone age.
 
Lowaicue said:
so 7/8 of you is NOT native American. Arsehole. What's the rest? Innuit, Chinese, German, French, Swedish, c'mon tell us. tell us what you really are. We know you are an unthinking, unintelligent bigot so there is no need for you to repeat that.
I'll tell you what I am. I am English as far back as it is feasible to go. No Scots, No Welsh, No Irish. No red indian.
Your turn, dummy.
The rest of your post is too stupid to respond to and anyway you are so stupid you would never accept anything that wasn't racist and neo nazi and I will not stoop to that level.
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Hitlers child.... The Uberman cometh forward and reveals himself. No wonder he has such a Low IQ with all of that inbreeding.
 
Mr. T said:
Hitlers child.... The Uberman cometh forward and reveals himself. No wonder he has such a Low IQ with all of that inbreeding.
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Please explain. I, and I am sure many others, are hanging on your every word. Your pearls of wisdom will be caught and held dear for eternity. Tell, do tell.
 
Dixie said:
He didn't say it was okay to run the Jews out of their rightful homeland, did he? Again.... I am not here to argue Christian theology with you, just to point out the facts. The fact is, God said that is their homeland forever and always... so it shall be. Now, you want to argue is God real? Did God really mean this? Should we obey God's will? Those are all legitimate things one can debate, I am not here to argue that, only to point out the facts. The land doesn't belong to any fictitious people known as "Palestinians" and it has always been understood to be the homeland of the Jews by everyone who believes in God. You can't refute this, no matter how much you try, because this is the truth.
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it is god's will that israel be a country today?

i'm not sure about that
 
Superfreak said:
1) You do not know that it is mandated by God, nor does any other Christian. That is the point you douche. The Bible saying so is a bunch of MEN saying that is the case. The Islamic people ALSO believe in the God of Abraham.... SAME GOD as Christians and Jews.... yet they do NOT believe it is mandated by God... do they?
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1) Yes I do know that it is mandated by God, and so does every Christian and every other believer in the word of God. The Islamics do not believe in the God of Abraham, they believe in Allah, a completely different entity. Islam is a perversion of Christianity. Allah and God are not the same thing, and if you believe they are, you are ignorant of the facts and haven't read the Qaran or studied the religion.

2) I have no war against Christianity... just against your stupidity. But do tell us genius.... how does the Palestinian/Israeli conflict somehow involve Christians? While there are some Christians there, it is predominantly a Jewish/Islamic dispute.
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No, you have an all-out personal vendetta against Christianity and Christians, it is apparent in many of your posts. If you wish to deny it, that's fine, I don't blame you... but them's the facts. Christianity is an offspring of Judaism, that's why it has to do with Christians and Christian belief, but not only Christians, ANY religion which believes in the God of Abraham, understands it was God's edict that Israel is the rightful homeland of the Jews. It's a "big deal" because you are asking and expecting people to defy a direct order from God.... ain't gonna happen dude!

3) It is not a philosophical point you moron. It is a FACT. The bible was written over the length of time I stated. It was not written all at once, nor was it written by the primary parties involved. AS I stated. It was written by MEN, NOT GOD.
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Doesn't matter when the Bible was written or by whom. The mandate from God predates the Bible by a few thousand years or so, and was widely taught in Judaism long before Christianity. And according to believers of God, the Bible was DIVINELY INSPIRED by God and written by men. Let's make sure we clarify that.

4) Stomping your feet and saying it is mandated by God doesn't make it so. Not in the least. Especially to the Billion plus Muslims out there.
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Where do you get that I have stomped my feet? I merely pointed out the historical facts of the matter, to which you can't refute other than to say you don't believe in God and as such, don't believe God commanded such an edict. All I can say is, an awful lot MORE people DO believe in God, and KNOW he mandated such an edict, without question.
 
Mr. T said:
Low IQ is really Alex Trebek

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Still waiting for your explanation, Mr. T (LOL). If you'd rather not for fear of looking an absolute twat, I will quite understand.

BTW your comments, like your breaths, are wasted. I have no idea who either of the people to whom you refer are, nor am I interested.
 
If you are going to apply that logic then the US belongs to the native Americans and it should be given back.
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No... here's the 'scenario' (and it gets kinda convoluted) Let's say we came here and killed as many Indians as we could, and the rest we ran into Mexico... then, some years later, someone whooped our ass in a war and returned the lands to the rightful owners, the Indians... then we come along and build settlements and claimed it's really OUR land and they need to go back to Mexico where they belong.
 
Schadenfreude said:
the radical right wingers in Israel are doing their best to sabotage the peace process as are the right wing elements in Palestine
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Heck... no need for them to try hard, just sign whatever peace deal is on the table and wait a few weeks, some terrorist will blow himself up or set off a car bomb, in defiance of said deal. Viola... peace process sabotaged, just as it has been about 30 times since 1967.

These people who call themselves "Palestinian" are terrorists and thugs, they are NOT a people or disenfranchised country, and never have been. Their religion calls for them to wage Jihad against the Jewish people and infidels, and the greatest spiritual achievement is to be a martyr. There is no negotiation with people like this.
 
Dixie said:
No... here's the 'scenario' (and it gets kinda convoluted) Let's say we came here and killed as many Indians as we could, and the rest we ran into Mexico... then, some years later, someone whooped our ass in a war and returned the lands to the rightful owners, the Indians... then we come along and build settlements and claimed it's really OUR land and they need to go back to Mexico where they belong.
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So are you saying that lands captured by wars and unfair treaties during the last two thousand years be returned to their original inhabitants? Really?
 
Dixie: here's the 'scenario' (and it gets kinda convoluted) Let's say we came here and killed as many Indians as we could, and the rest we ran into Mexico... then, some years later, someone whooped our ass in a war and returned the lands to the rightful owners, the Indians... then we come along and build settlements and claimed it's really OUR land and they need to go back to Mexico where they belong.
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I've been thinking about this scenario, and there is a flaw.. Let me try again... Indians live here... we come over and kill a bunch of them, and run the rest into Mexico, fleeing for their lives, because we didn't even want to put them on reservations, we thought they all needed to be exterminated like bugs. So, in 1948... the Soviet Union crushes the US and takes occupation of the territory... but instead of being iron-fisted Communists, they resolve to turn the matter over to the UN, who decides to allow ancestors of the displaced Native American tribes, to return to the lands rightfully owned by their forefathers... and so they do, the Indians all move back to parts of the US their tribes inhabited before... A while later, some Anarchist Confederates emerge, and begin to build homestead settlements all through the Southern US. They claim that this land is rightfully theirs, and they deserve to have their own homeland. Pinheads in Russia clamor; Well, if it's right to let the Indians return, then the Confederates should have their own homeland too... it's only fair!

....Much better scenario! There is no Palestinian people, there was no Palestine, and the people who claim to have a right to the lands have NO right whatsoever, and never did.
 
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