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THREE religions? We're talking about Allah (Islamic God) and Yahweh (Christian God). Where is this THIRD religion?

Islam is a perversion of Christianity. Prior to Islamization, Mooslems worshiped the God of the Moon and were polytheist. Most everything in the organized religion of Islam, is copied from Christianity, and redefined.

Claiming Allah is the same as Yahweh, is like claiming McCain is the same as Obama, and showing you a McCain for President bumper sticker to prove it.

Judaism moron.

 

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Good! Maybe you can answer the question posed in the above article?


If they are the same person, one wonders why Allah and God can’t agree on history. The Jewish scriptures tell of Isaac as the heir of Abraham who was placed on an altar and saved at the last minute, while Islam says Ishmael was that person. The standard explanation for the difference is that the Jews corrupted the writings for their own purposes, but that Allah says it was Ishmael. That leaves a god who either changed history, or didn’t care when history was rewritten by someone else. The Isaac account dates back at least to several years before Jesus was born, according to documentary evidence. If that is so, and if Jesus was truly a prophet of Allah as it says in Qur’an, would he not correct the error, instead of perpetuating it as he did (Matthew 8:11; Mark 12:26; Luke 13:28, 20:37)? How could a prophet of Allah not correct such a gross error?


Go for it!

You unbelievably ignorant idiot. The books were written by men not God.

 

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Judaism moron.

Ah.. well, Judaism and Christianity believe in the same God, which is different from Allah.

 

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No, says the Koran and The Bible. I posted links to the articles, I even posted part of the text. Seems like a lot of people who are PhDs and stuff, disagree with you... and that doesn't mean I am the imbecile.

Yes it does, because you happen to be an imbecile. It is the perfect description of you.

 

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Ah.. well, Judaism and Christianity believe in the same God, which is different from Allah.

Once more for the truly mentaly challanged among us.

Abraham had three sons.

The decendents of each of his three sons practice either Judaism, Chritianity or Islam. They all believe in the same god.

 

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Dune, I guess all you can do now is hurl insults. That gives me a warm tingly feeling all over, because I know I have thoroughly PWNED that ass once again. Not that it's any big deal for me these days, it's gotten sort of routine here... but still... doin' the happy dance!

You have a nice day!!

 

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Dune, I guess all you can do now is hurl insults. That gives me a warm tingly feeling all over, because I know I have thoroughly PWNED that ass once again. Not that it's any big deal for me these days, it's gotten sort of routine here... but still... doin' the happy dance!

You have a nice day!!

Your welcome, glad I could help.

 

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Once more for the truly mentaly challanged among us.

Abraham had three sons.

The decendents of each of his three sons practice either Judaism, Chritianity or Islam. They all believe in the same god.

No they don't believe in the same God. Jews and Christians do, but Allah is not the same God as Yahweh...can't be. I posted three articles which point out the many discrepancies between Allah and Yahweh, and subsequently, Christianity and Islam. You've addressed absolutely NONE of those here... you just waddled in and made a false statement, and expect people to believe you because you are hurling insulting names at me.... you must be smarter!

 

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First of all, some history:

The term Allāh is derived from a contraction of the Arabic definite article al- "the" and ʾilāh "deity, god" to al-lāh meaning "the [sole] deity, God" (ὁ θεὸς μόνος, ho theos monos).[8] Cognates of the name "Allāh" exist in other Semitic languages, including Hebrew and Aramaic.[9] Biblical Hebrew mostly uses the plural form (but functional singular) Elohim. The corresponding Aramaic form is ʼĔlāhā ܐܠܗܐ in Biblical Aramaic and ʼAlâhâ ܐܲܠܵܗܵܐ in Syriac as used by the Assyrian Church, both meaning simply "God".[10] In the Sikh scriptures, Guru Granth Sahib, the term Allah, Punjabi (Gurmukhi): ਅਲਹੁ is used 46 times respectively.

Congrats! You just took the long way of saying that different cultures call God by a different name. Which is what I already stated.

The name was previously used by pagan Meccans as a reference to a creator deity, possibly the supreme deity in pre-Islamic Arabia.[11][12] The concepts associated with the term Allah (as a deity) differ among religious traditions. In pre-Islamic Arabia amongst pagan Arabs, Allah was not considered the sole divinity, having associates and companions, sons and daughters–a concept that was deleted under the process of Islamization. In Islam, the name Allah is the supreme and all-comprehensive divine name, and all other divine names are believed to refer back to Allah.[13] Allah is unique, the only Deity, creator of the universe and omnipotent.[5][6] Arab Christians today use terms such as Allāh al-ʾAb (الله الأب, "God the Father") to distinguish their usage from Muslim usage.[14] There are both similarities and differences between the concept of God as portrayed in the Qur'an and the Hebrew Bible.[15] It has also been applied to certain living human beings as personifications of the term and concept.[16][17]

Completely irrelevant. Just because others used the term 'Allah' doesn't change who Muslims are referring to. Just as the fact that there were Greek Gods prior to the Chrisitians God doesn't alter who the Christians are referring to.

In pre-Islamic Arabia, Allah was used by Meccans as a reference to the creator-god, possibly the supreme deity. Allah was not considered the sole divinity; however, Allah was considered the creator of the world and the giver of rain. The notion of the term may have been vague in the Meccan religion.[8] Allah was associated with companions, whom pre-Islamic Arabs considered as subordinate deities. Meccans held that a kind of kinship existed between Allah and the jinn.[21] Allah was thought to have had sons[22] and that the local deities of al-ʿUzzā, Manāt and al-Lāt were His daughters.[23] The Meccans possibly associated angels with Allah.[24][25] Allah was invoked in times of distress.[25][26] Muhammad's father's name was ʿAbd-Allāh meaning "the slave of Allāh"[25]

Again, you are diverting into irrelevant territory. None of the above changes that Muhammad was descendant from Ishmael, Abrahams son. None of it changes that the God of Abraham is the God of Muhammad and thus of the Islamic faith.

Some scholars[who?] have suggested that Muhammad used the term Allah in addressing both pagan Arabs and Jews or Christians in order to establish a common ground for the understanding of the name for God, a claim Gerhard Böwering says is doubtful.[27] According to Böwering, in contrast with Pre-Islamic Arabian polytheism, God in Islam does not have associates and companions nor is there any kinship between God and jinn.[27] Pre-Islamic pagan Arabs believed in a blind, powerful, inexorable and insensible fate over which man had no control. This was replaced with the Islamic notion of a powerful but provident and merciful God.[33]
According to Francis Edwards Peters, "The Qur'an insists, Muslims believe, and historians affirm that Muhammad and his followers worship the same God as the Jews (29:46). The Koran's Allah is the same Creator God who covenanted with Abraham". Peters states that the Qur'an portrays Allah as both more powerful and more remote than Yahweh, and as a universal deity, unlike Yahweh who closely follows Israelites.[15]]

Again, what pre-ISLAMIC faiths believed has no more to do with Islam than it does to Christianity or Judaism.

Here is a comprehensive study of the differences between Allah (Islamic God) and Yahweh (Christian God):
http://www.studytoanswer.net/myths_ch3.html#ch3-11

ROFLMAO..... a 'comprehensive study'.... give me a fucking break

from your 'study'....

Essentially, we must understand and accept that Allah of the Islamic religion is not the same as the God of the Bible. Allah can be traced backwards through ancient Near Eastern religious history as the latest development in a series of astral and atmospheric deities in the ancient Semitic world, all the way back to very ancient Mesopotamia, the original seat of both civilization, and also idolatry. Muslims, when they worship Allah, are not worshipping the true Creator God, but are rather worshipping a false god, one whose worship is condemned in the Bible:

Well at least we see where you got the stupid idea to try and equate the use of Allah in pre-Islam times to somehow justify your stupid 'see, since they used the term before, it cannot possibly be the same god'. Your comprehensive study was written by someone obviously biased towards Christianity. Hence the whole.... 'they must be worshiping a false God' nonsense.

Here is another angle:
http://www.danielpipes.org/2714/is-allah-god

Good article... perhaps you should READ it....

Scriptural: The Koran itself in several places insists that its God is the same as the God of Judaism and Christianity. The most direct statement is one in which Muslims are admonished to tell Jews and Christians "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you; our God and your God is One, and to Him we do submit" (E.H. Palmer translation of Sura 29:46) Of course, the verse can also be rendered "our Allah and your Allah is One" (as it is in the notorious Abdullah Yusuf Ali translation)

Historical: Chronologically, Islam followed after Judaism and Christianity, but the Koran claims Islam actually preceded the other monotheisms. In Islamic doctrine (Sura 3:67), Abraham was the first Muslim. Moses and Jesus introduced mistakes into the Word of God; Muhammad brought it down perfectly. Islam views Judaism and Christianity as flawed versions of itself, correct on essentials but wrong in important details. This outlook implies that all three faiths share the God of Abraham.

Linguistic: Just as Dieu and Gott are the French and German words for God, so is Allah the Arabic equivalent, a word older than Islam. In part, this identity of meaning can be seen from cognates: In Hebrew, the word for God is Elohim, a cognate of Allah. In Aramaic, the language spoken by Jesus, God is Allaha. In the Maltese language, which is unique because it is Arabic-based but spoken by a predominantly Catholic people, God is Alla.

Further, most Jews and Christians who speak Arabic routinely use the word Allah to refer to God. (Copts, the Christians of Egypt, do not.) The Old and New Testaments in Arabic use this word. In the Arabic-language Bible, for instance, Jesus is referred to as the son of Allah. Even translations carried out by Christian missionaries, such as the famous one done in 1865 by Cornelius Van Dyke, refer to Allah, as do missionary discussions.

Rather than ramble on as the first 'study' does, pointing out differences of religions attributable to MAN and not to GOD, rambling about pre-Islam use of the word Allah, the above actually points out why they are all of the same God.

And one more:
http://www.minuteswithmessiah.com/question/notsame.html

And NOW we go back to the stupidity of 'hey, someone else used the term Allah first, therefore the Islamic Allah cannot be the same'.... completely ignoring of course that the term God had been used prior to Judaism and Christianity.

From the link:

One of the biggest fictions about Islam is that they worship the same God as the Christians or the Jews. “Allah” may have come to mean “God,” but was originally the name of one of the minor deities of the Arabic peninsula. When Muhammed received the Qur’an he said it came from this one of the gods of the neighborhood, and claimed that he was the One God and all others were not real gods. But even if you accept that Allah is supposed to be the same God as that of the Jews or Christians, then he must have changed his whole nature in the 400 years between Jesus and Muhammed.

See the above comments regarding the stupidity of the above quote. You pretend that it is 'God/Allah' that must have changed rather than the MEN who interpreted God/Allah's teaching being the ones who were incorrect.

Several differences may serve to make the point. The God worshipped by Christians is a God of peace, history notwithstanding. Christianity advocates being at peace with all men. It advocates peaceful spreading of a gospel of grace to willing converts. Islam, on the other hand, advocates spreading the word through force, and endorses killing unbelievers. Regardless of the doctrines proposed by John Calvin, the Christian scriptures indicate that man has free will, and may choose to believe God or not. Islam teaches that God will save those he chooses to save, whether they want to be saved or not, and especially that one who obeys Allah all his life may be rejected merely because Allah chooses to reject him for no apparent reason, or simply because the person is a woman.

Ok, we all recognize that the religions believe different things. But that does not change the FACT that all three stemmed from Abraham and his descendents. All three claim to believe in the God of Abraham. They just disagree on the points interpreted by MAN.... and obviously believe the other two are 'incorrect' in 'their beliefs'

If they are the same person, one wonders why Allah and God can’t agree on history. The Jewish scriptures tell of Isaac as the heir of Abraham who was placed on an altar and saved at the last minute, while Islam says Ishmael was that person. The standard explanation for the difference is that the Jews corrupted the writings for their own purposes, but that Allah says it was Ishmael. That leaves a god who either changed history, or didn’t care when history was rewritten by someone else. The Isaac account dates back at least to several years before Jesus was born, according to documentary evidence. If that is so, and if Jesus was truly a prophet of Allah as it says in Qur’an, would he not correct the error, instead of perpetuating it as he did (Matthew 8:11; Mark 12:26; Luke 13:28, 20:37)? How could a prophet of Allah not correct such a gross error?

Or perhaps it was because God/Allah was trying to convey the MORAL of the story and the fact that MAN got hung up on such a minute detail is a fallacy of MAN? To call it a 'gross error' is absurd. It is only an issue because MAN makes it such. It was the MORAL of the story that was important.

Most importantly, a Christian can not believe they are the same God because Christians believe that Jesus is the “only begotten of the Father” (John 1:14) and the “son of God” (Matthew 16:16-17). They believe that God allowed his son to die on a cross, a sinless sacrifice, so that men could be saved from their sins through faith in him. They believe that “there is no other name under heaven, given among men, whereby we must be saved.” (Acts 4:12) They believe that if God had been able to save man in any other way, surely he would have done so, but he didn’t. They (we) believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the focal point of all history, the one forward to whom all the Old Testament scriptures point and backward to whom all the New Testament scriptures point. All of this is repudiated by the Allah of Islam, who says in his Qur’an that it is error to think that one could call himself a son of Allah and that Jesus did not die on a cross. It is inconceivable to think that the God who said, “This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased” (Matthew 3:17) could also say “Allah is only one God; far be It from His glory that He should have a son.” (Sura 4:171)

Again you rely on the interpretations of MAN and pretend that somehow makes it proof that God/Allah are not one in the same. We again understand their are differences in the religious beliefs. Just as there are differences in opinions between the Catholics, Protestants, Evangelicals or within Judaism with the Reformists, Orthodox, Conservative or within Islam.... Sunni and Shia. Are you telling me that GOD would allow for the errors and differences between Catholics and Protestants ditzie? How could GOD allow that? Or within Judaism (not to mention between Judaism and Christianity)? Or between Sunni and Shia?

How could GOD/Allah allow such discrepancies Ditzie?

A Christian can not believe that the God of Christianity and the Allah of Islam are one and the same. Nor do I know of any Muslim that truly believes that, either. There may be some in both groups that believe it, but in doing so they necessarily compromise their faith.

According to your article... your idol G W Bush believes they are the same. They are not compromising their faith you idiot. They are intelligent enough to realize they are all the same.

So we can clearly see, there is at least some dispute on this matter... why do you want to pretend there isn't? Are you a practicing Muslim?

No, there really isn't a dispute. The bigots in each group will tell you they are not the same, but they ALL will tell you they believe in the God of Abraham.

 

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One God, means "one God", the father of all. Man creates division and divisiveness...not God.

that was a more succinct reply than the one I just gave.

 

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Dixie you ignorant retard, the three religions are all practiced by the desendents of the three sons of Abraham.

Stop being a moron for just one minute and learn this fact.

Actually, the two sons... Ishmael and Isaac (Christianity broke from Judaism)

 

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No, says the Koran and The Bible. I posted links to the articles, I even posted part of the text. Seems like a lot of people who are PhDs and stuff, disagree with you... and that doesn't mean I am the imbecile.

From your link ditzie....

Scriptural: The Koran itself in several places insists that its God is the same as the God of Judaism and Christianity. The most direct statement is one in which Muslims are admonished to tell Jews and Christians "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you; our God and your God is One, and to Him we do submit" (E.H. Palmer translation of Sura 29:46) Of course, the verse can also be rendered "our Allah and your Allah is One" (as it is in the notorious Abdullah Yusuf Ali translation)

Historical: Chronologically, Islam followed after Judaism and Christianity, but the Koran claims Islam actually preceded the other monotheisms. In Islamic doctrine (Sura 3:67), Abraham was the first Muslim. Moses and Jesus introduced mistakes into the Word of God; Muhammad brought it down perfectly. Islam views Judaism and Christianity as flawed versions of itself, correct on essentials but wrong in important details. This outlook implies that all three faiths share the God of Abraham.

Linguistic: Just as Dieu and Gott are the French and German words for God, so is Allah the Arabic equivalent, a word older than Islam. In part, this identity of meaning can be seen from cognates: In Hebrew, the word for God is Elohim, a cognate of Allah. In Aramaic, the language spoken by Jesus, God is Allaha. In the Maltese language, which is unique because it is Arabic-based but spoken by a predominantly Catholic people, God is Alla.

Further, most Jews and Christians who speak Arabic routinely use the word Allah to refer to God. (Copts, the Christians of Egypt, do not.) The Old and New Testaments in Arabic use this word. In the Arabic-language Bible, for instance, Jesus is referred to as the son of Allah. Even translations carried out by Christian missionaries, such as the famous one done in 1865 by Cornelius Van Dyke, refer to Allah, as do missionary discussions.

Dumbass

 

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THREE religions? We're talking about Allah (Islamic God) and Yahweh (Christian God). Where is this THIRD religion?

Judaism moron.

Islam is a perversion of Christianity. Prior to Islamization, Mooslems worshiped the God of the Moon and were polytheist. Most everything in the organized religion of Islam, is copied from Christianity, and redefined.

and they say just the opposite... that it was Jesus and Moses that got the story wrong and that Mohammed got it right. Which brings us back to the point, they are all the same God, who told the same story to three Men and the MEN relayed it the best they could. If I were to tell a story to three people in the exact same manner and asked them to go out and repeat it... there would be discrepancies. The more the story is told without being written, the greater the discrepancies tend to become.

Also moron.... Prior to Christianity, there were Greek Gods and Athenian Gods, Titans and Nordic Gods. Just because there was something PRIOR to these religions doesn't change what these religions are.

Claiming Allah is the same as Yahweh, is like claiming McCain is the same as Obama, and showing you a McCain for President bumper sticker to prove it.

No it isn't. Not in the least.

 

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Actually, the two sons... Ishmael and Isaac (Christianity broke from Judaism)

i can't believe dune is such a retard

 

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Once more for the truly mentaly challanged among us.

Abraham had three sons.

The decendents of each of his three sons practice either Judaism, Chritianity or Islam. They all believe in the same god.

i had to take you off ignore to comment on just how retarded you are. especially since you claim you're informing the mentally challenged. he had two sons retard. your entire post is wrong.

 

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Pinhead Refutation: No it isn't... nuh uhh... you an idiot... deyz bof iz da same!1!!

Here I have, posted a list of source references, some agreeing with me and some opposed to what I've said, I am being objective, I have stated that I am not here to debate theology... yet you pinheads continue to cling to anything you can find to try and show me up or prove me wrong... but I've proven I am right. I made the statement that God (Yahweh) and Allah are not the same, and I presented substantial evidence that this very debate is being waged quite robustly on the internet by people much more intelligent than anyone here. To sit here and proclaim that I am wrong, and that Allah and God are one in the same, is completely ignorant, simple-minded and naive. The fact that scholars and PhDs are debating it, proves this is a legitimately debatable issue... God and Allah are NOT the same...if they were, there would be no debate.

 

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allah and god are not the same. period.

 

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Pinhead Refutation: No it isn't... nuh uhh... you an idiot... deyz bof iz da same!1!!

Here I have, posted a list of source references, some agreeing with me and some opposed to what I've said, I am being objective, I have stated that I am not here to debate theology... yet you pinheads continue to cling to anything you can find to try and show me up or prove me wrong... but I've proven I am right. I made the statement that God (Yahweh) and Allah are not the same, and I presented substantial evidence that this very debate is being waged quite robustly on the internet by people much more intelligent than anyone here. To sit here and proclaim that I am wrong, and that Allah and God are one in the same, is completely ignorant, simple-minded and naive. The fact that scholars and PhDs are debating it, proves this is a legitimately debatable issue... God and Allah are NOT the same...if they were, there would be no debate.

1) ALL THREE RELIGIOUS TEXTS CLAIM THAT THEY WORSHIP the God of Abraham.... ALL THREE
2) YOUR links.... the first states clearly that it is written from a CHRISTIAN perspective. Not an objective one. The second looks at it OBJECTIVELY and shows that ALL THREE worship the God of Abraham. The third link is from Tim O'Hearn.... tell us Ditzie what is HIS background.... other than the obvious Christian background.

3) You ignored every single one of my points to you and instead continue on with your nonsense.

4) God and Allah are the same (in that we are using the term 'God' in reference to what Christians call their deity and 'Allah' in terms of what Muslims call theirs.) There is no debate except by the bigots of the various religions who insist that because of their hatred of the other religions, the others must 'NOT' believe in the same God.

5) Now tell us ditzie... how could GOD allow for there to be Catholics AND Protestants.... why did GOD not come down and set one or both of them straight? How could THEY worship the same God given the discrepancies?

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Pinhead Refutation: No it isn't... nuh uhh... you an idiot... deyz bof iz da same!1!!

Here I have, posted a list of source references, some agreeing with me and some opposed to what I've said, I am being objective, I have stated that I am not here to debate theology... yet you pinheads continue to cling to anything you can find to try and show me up or prove me wrong... but I've proven I am right. I made the statement that God (Yahweh) and Allah are not the same, and I presented substantial evidence that this very debate is being waged quite robustly on the internet by people much more intelligent than anyone here. To sit here and proclaim that I am wrong, and that Allah and God are one in the same, is completely ignorant, simple-minded and naive. The fact that scholars and PhDs are debating it, proves this is a legitimately debatable issue... God and Allah are NOT the same...if they were, there would be no debate.

Just to be clear... ALL THREE religious texts show them to be of the God of Abraham.... but because you found a couple of random CHRISTIANS who don't believe it, then to you those who believe correctly are 'simple minded and naive'???

 

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i had to take you off ignore to comment on just how retarded you are. especially since you claim you're informing the mentally challenged. he had two sons retard. your entire post is wrong.

He had two sons, Isaac (by Sarah) and Ishmael (by Hagar). He then had Zimran, Yakshan, Medan, Midian, Yishbak & Shuah with Keturah.

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