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[Dixie - In Memoriam]

So, you are just going to say the same thing over and over again without any evidence. Despite ALL the differences that CANNOT be reconciled. ESPECIALLY the Three-in-One God vs. the ONE God? You are such a fucking hypocrite.

I've presented plenty of evidence, you continue to ignore it and hurl names at me. When you can't do that, you attempt to divert the conversation into a debate on theology. One thing you've not done, is address the overwhelming and substantial evidence I have presented, that God and Allah can not be the same.

Again.... TIMING has NOTHING to do with whether the Entity is the same or not. NOTHING.

Again.... STORIES ABOUT the entity being different doesn't make the ENTITY different.

Again, it's not just about the timing, and the stories are not different, many of them are identical. It's the motive, objective and intent that is different, but you don't want to examine that honestly, you want to pretend Muslims have the same motivations as Christians and Jews, even though Muslims wish to annihilate all Jews and Christians because that is what their 'Allah' told them to do.

ROFLMAO... Your desperation is showing ditzie. What the Arab people believed PRIOR to Islam is 100% IRRELEVANT. Because AGAIN... PRIOR to Christianity, those that would become Christian ALSO believed in OTHER GODS. You fucking idiot.

What Muslims believed for centuries before Mohamed is not irrelevant, it is very relevant to what Muslims believe in as Allah. No, Christians and Jews never believed in multiple Gods, that is what distinguished Abraham's beliefs from the rest of the world. People who would convert to monotheism and become Jewish or Christian followers of Abraham's God, didn't keep the names of their idols and religion, they abandoned those for a monotheist belief. Oh, and it totally doesn't matter in this debate, how many times you refer to me as an "idiot" ...especially since you can't make any refutation of what is presented.

I have already addressed your idiocy far more times than I should have. You keep making one wild proclamation after another and trying desperately to stretch things to justify your bigoted comments.

You've addressed absolutely NOTHING I've posted. You continue to spew hate and revile for me personally, while desperately trying to defend Islam, by calling me names and insisting I am wrong and you are right. I don't see your response to why there is 2,500-year gaps in the time-line presented by Mohamed, in his claims of being a descendant of Abraham. Care to explain that? How can a human live for 2,500 years and then have a child, as Mohamed claims happened? If you can't rationally give an explanation, you have to admit that this story is suspect, and we can't take it at face value, even if we wanted to.

ROFLMAO.... so in other words, you, like yurt, are too much of a coward to answer the basic question whose answer proves you are a bigoted idiot?

Coward.

It's actually YOU who is being the coward here. I answered your question with a question, and apparently, you didn't get it. The Jewish people have fought overwhelming persecution against all odds for CENTURIES and they still survive. Perhaps God's promise to Abraham is legitimate? That's why I told you that you might ask God... He maybe can explain it to you better than I can? My understanding is, he told Abraham that his descendants were his chosen people, his children, and their friends would be blessed and enemies cursed. Through history, many have tried to rid the world of these Jewish people, to no avail. Perhaps there's something to that? Not meaning to get theological here, I'm just saying.

 

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I'm not the topic. The definition of marriage has been established long before you or I entered the scene.

Since you're banking your premise on the act of "consummation"; does this mean that a man and woman who marry, but are unable to preform sexually, aren't married?

 

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Since you're banking your premise on the act of "consummation"; does this mean that a man and woman who marry, but are unable to preform sexually, aren't married?

In a catholic marraige, lack of consummation is grounds for annulment.

In a proxy marraige, consummation must be proven.

Special rule for proxy marriages: If spouses not in each other’s presence at marriage ceremony there must be proof of consummation. INA §101(a)(35), 8 U.S.C. §1101(a)(35),

 

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I've presented plenty of evidence, you continue to ignore it and hurl names at me. When you can't do that, you attempt to divert the conversation into a debate on theology. One thing you've not done, is address the overwhelming and substantial evidence I have presented, that God and Allah can not be the same.

Poor Ditzie... you have provided NO evidence. NONE. You keep harping on the fact that Islam was created CENTURIES later. That is not evidence of what you state. You keep CLAIMING that they have 'different motivations' blah blah blah, yet history does NOT support your claims... neither does the present.

Again, it's not just about the timing, and the stories are not different, many of them are identical. It's the motive, objective and intent that is different, but you don't want to examine that honestly, you want to pretend Muslims have the same motivations as Christians and Jews, even though Muslims wish to annihilate all Jews and Christians because that is what their 'Allah' told them to do.

You say it isn't about timing NOW... yet you have brought up the timing of the religions numerous times on this thread in a moronic attempt to justify your bigotry. You keep making idiotic claims like 'they want to annihilate all Jews and Christians' all the while ignoring the fact that Muslims make up about 20% of the population of the world. IF you were correct in your insane views on what their religion is about, then HOW do you reconcile that with the FACT that they are not attacking Jews and Christians in mass?

What Muslims believed for centuries before Mohamed is not irrelevant, it is very relevant to what Muslims believe in as Allah. No, Christians and Jews never believed in multiple Gods, that is what distinguished Abraham's beliefs from the rest of the world. People who would convert to monotheism and become Jewish or Christian followers of Abraham's God, didn't keep the names of their idols and religion, they abandoned those for a monotheist belief. Oh, and it totally doesn't matter in this debate, how many times you refer to me as an "idiot" ...especially since you can't make any refutation of what is presented.

LMAO.

1) Muslims weren't MUSLIM prior to ISLAM you dolt. What they believed in prior IS irrelevant with respect to ISLAM.
2) PRIOR to Christianity, those that would become Christians most certainly DID believe in multiple Gods.... see ROMAN GODS, see GREEK GODS, see Nordic GODS etc....
3) Christianity most certainly pulled in various pagan myths into their belief system in order for their new religion to be more accepted

You've addressed absolutely NOTHING I've posted. You continue to spew hate and revile for me personally, while desperately trying to defend Islam, by calling me names and insisting I am wrong and you are right. I don't see your response to why there is 2,500-year gaps in the time-line presented by Mohamed, in his claims of being a descendant of Abraham. Care to explain that? How can a human live for 2,500 years and then have a child, as Mohamed claims happened? If you can't rationally give an explanation, you have to admit that this story is suspect, and we can't take it at face value, even if we wanted to.

How can a human turn water into wine? Walk on Water?

It's actually YOU who is being the coward here. I answered your question with a question, and apparently, you didn't get it. The Jewish people have fought overwhelming persecution against all odds for CENTURIES and they still survive. Perhaps God's promise to Abraham is legitimate? That's why I told you that you might ask God... He maybe can explain it to you better than I can? My understanding is, he told Abraham that his descendants were his chosen people, his children, and their friends would be blessed and enemies cursed. Through history, many have tried to rid the world of these Jewish people, to no avail. Perhaps there's something to that? Not meaning to get theological here, I'm just saying.

Telling me to 'ask God' is indeed being a coward and refusing to address it. You are looking for an escape. That said, I did go ahead and ask God this weekend and he confirmed that you are indeed a bigot and that Islam is not a religion of hate as you proclaim.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Poor Ditzie... you have provided NO evidence. NONE. You keep harping on the fact that Islam was created CENTURIES later. That is not evidence of what you state. You keep CLAIMING that they have 'different motivations' blah blah blah, yet history does NOT support your claims... neither does the present.

Do you see the problem here? I present evidence, and you proclaim that my evidence is nothing and I'm stupid. You haven't countered my evidence with any evidence of your own, and you haven't refuted my evidence with anything other than your personal opinion it's not important. And somehow, you translate this into a win for you and loss for me. I've not CLAIMED anything that isn't TRUE. History DOES support my claims, as does the present. You stomping your feet with your fingers in your ears, refusing to listen to anyone else, is NOT a winning point in this argument. You have been PWNED.

You say it isn't about timing NOW... yet you have brought up the timing of the religions numerous times on this thread in a moronic attempt to justify your bigotry. You keep making idiotic claims like 'they want to annihilate all Jews and Christians' all the while ignoring the fact that Muslims make up about 20% of the population of the world. IF you were correct in your insane views on what their religion is about, then HOW do you reconcile that with the FACT that they are not attacking Jews and Christians in mass?

I've never said that because Muslims invented Islam centuries after Judaism and Christianity, that this alone is proof they are a fraud. This is presented in context with the principles surrounding the foundation of Islam. It's not an "idiotic claim" they want to annihilate all Jews and Christians, that's pretty much their doctrine and mission statement. I've not ignored any fact, including the fact there are 1.2 billion Muslims, but that doesn't change or alter the text of the Koran, or the fundamental principles of Islam, or the fact they want to annihilate all Jews and Christians. Why have they not been successful in ethnically cleansing the Jews and Christians? Does that matter in terms of what is being argued here? Perhaps a really fucking huge miracle happened because Jews are God's chosen people? Maybe the 80% of the world population who ISN'T Muslim, have always been intelligent enough to understand and comprehend what Muslims want to do, and have stood in their way all these years? There are a couple of possible answers to your question, but it doesn't change the fact that Islam was established to destroy Judaism and Christianity.

1) Muslims weren't MUSLIM prior to ISLAM you dolt. What they believed in prior IS irrelevant with respect to ISLAM.

Whaaaat? Muslim weren't Muslims for hundreds of years before Mohamed came along? How do you figure this? Are history books wrong about the Moslems who worshiped multiple Gods, of which Allah was one? Is this all a bunch of false propaganda put out by Jews and Christians to defame Islam? I'm sorry, but their history is their history, and any OBJECTIVE evaluation of their religion, has to include the WHOLE story. You don't want to accept the whole story, you just want to pretend that "Muslims" didn't come along until Mohamed and the Islamization of Muslims, which came centuries later.

2) PRIOR to Christianity, those that would become Christians most certainly DID believe in multiple Gods.... see ROMAN GODS, see GREEK GODS, see Nordic GODS etc....

No, Jews and Christians did not worship the God of the Moon until Jesus came and told them to be monotheist. Yes, many people were polytheist before monotheism... was THAT your point? It still doesn't change the fact that Moslems were polytheists long before Islam, and Christians/Jews never were.

3) Christianity most certainly pulled in various pagan myths into their belief system in order for their new religion to be more accepted

You're going to have to produce some evidence. Something you curiously seem to be lacking in your argument here. Thus far, it seems that all you really have is.... "Ditzie is Stoopid" ...and "Nuh- Uhhhh!" Sorry, not legitimate debate points.

How can a human turn water into wine? Walk on Water?

A regular HUMAN can't do that... Jesus was said to be the living Son of God, which might explain such phenomenon. There are all kinds of other possibilities as well, maybe these stories are figurative and not literal? Speaking figuratively does not explain 2,500 year gaps between generations, and those who lived 2,500 years before having offspring, were not Sons and Daughters of God, they were just regular humans.... and humans don't live 2,500 years.

Telling me to 'ask God' is indeed being a coward and refusing to address it. You are looking for an escape. That said, I did go ahead and ask God this weekend and he confirmed that you are indeed a bigot and that Islam is not a religion of hate as you proclaim.

I don't need an escape from your continued lack of evidence and insistence that I am stupid and you are right. What I need, is for you to step up to the plate and defend your religious beliefs in Islam. What I need, is for you to comprehend that calling me names and proclaiming me wrong, is not legitimate debate, and you really do need to offer some substance here, to keep from looking like a totally clueless fool who has nothing of substance to offer. But then... that's a fucking LOT to ask for with you!

 

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IF you were correct in your insane views on what their religion is about, then HOW do you reconcile that with the FACT that they are not attacking Jews and Christians in mass?

First of all... where are Muslims NOT attacking Jews and Christians in mass? Do you even watch the news? Study history?

Why haven't 1.2 billion Muslims been able to wipe out a few million Jews? Why don't you go back and ask the Ottomans this question? Or the dozens of mighty Islamic-backed armies who have tried through the centuries to eliminate the Jews? Why weren't millions of Nazi Germans not able to eliminate a few hundred thousand Jews in concentration camps? We can go back to before The Bible and find many examples of great armies attempting to eradicate the Jews, to no avail. Why? How have these embattled people managed to survive against all odds this way? Because.... it's sure as fuck not because the rest of the world LOVES the Jews!

 

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Do you see the problem here? I present evidence, and you proclaim that my evidence is nothing and I'm stupid. You haven't countered my evidence with any evidence of your own, and you haven't refuted my evidence with anything other than your personal opinion it's not important. And somehow, you translate this into a win for you and loss for me. I've not CLAIMED anything that isn't TRUE. History DOES support my claims, as does the present. You stomping your feet with your fingers in your ears, refusing to listen to anyone else, is NOT a winning point in this argument. You have been PWNED.

LMAO.... again ditzie, I have addressed every single point you have made. You have provided NO evidence. You just PROCLAIMED it as evidence. You see the problem here? Just because you PROCLAIM 'this is evidence' doesn't mean you ACTUALLY have evidence. You have shown NOTHING other than bigoted OPINIONS.

I've never said that because Muslims invented Islam centuries after Judaism and Christianity, that this alone is proof they are a fraud. This is presented in context with the principles surrounding the foundation of Islam.

You have brought up the timing issue numerous times on this thread. I didn't state that was your SOLE reason. I said it was one of your idiotic reasons.

It's not an "idiotic claim" they want to annihilate all Jews and Christians, that's pretty much their doctrine and mission statement.

Yes, it is an idiotic claim. There are 1.2 BILLION Muslims in this world if even a slim MAJORITY of those (meaning over half) wanted to do as you CLAIM they want to do, there would have been far more murders of Jews and Christians. Hell Ditzie, Pakistan has Nukes, yet doesn't use them. If they wanted they could simply nuke Israel and martyr themselves in the name of Allah. But they don't.

No matter how many times you try to paint them all with the same brush it isn't going to work. Are there things we would all like to see changed with regards to some of their beliefs? Sure. Treatment of women is an easy one to point to. That said, they are nowhere near the violent rabble you continue to portray them as.

I've not ignored any fact, including the fact there are 1.2 billion Muslims, but that doesn't change or alter the text of the Koran, or the fundamental principles of Islam, or the fact they want to annihilate all Jews and Christians. Why have they not been successful in ethnically cleansing the Jews and Christians? Does that matter in terms of what is being argued here? Perhaps a really fucking huge miracle happened because Jews are God's chosen people? Maybe the 80% of the world population who ISN'T Muslim, have always been intelligent enough to understand and comprehend what Muslims want to do, and have stood in their way all these years? There are a couple of possible answers to your question, but it doesn't change the fact that Islam was established to destroy Judaism and Christianity.

Here we have the crux of the issue. You think that because of violent passages in the Koran (written over 1000 years ago) that somehow means those 1.2 Muslims are blood thirsty and looking to kill all Jews. Yet Jews and Christian minorities live among Muslims in many countries and somehow they haven't all been mysteriously killed.

Yes... it most certainly DOES matter that they haven't tried to eliminate Jews and Christians.... it goes to show that they DO NOT BELIEVE AS YOU CLAIM THEY BELIEVE YOU HALF WIT.

Whaaaat? Muslim weren't Muslims for hundreds of years before Mohamed came along? How do you figure this? Are history books wrong about the Moslems who worshiped multiple Gods, of which Allah was one? Is this all a bunch of false propaganda put out by Jews and Christians to defame Islam? I'm sorry, but their history is their history, and any OBJECTIVE evaluation of their religion, has to include the WHOLE story. You don't want to accept the whole story, you just want to pretend that "Muslims" didn't come along until Mohamed and the Islamization of Muslims, which came centuries later.

By definition a Muslim is a believer in ISLAM you fucking idiot.

Allah = God.... so yes, when speaking Arabic, they are going to refer to God as Allah... it is their WORD for GOD. Just as Christians and Jews used the WORD GOD.... to describe other GODS that preceded the GOD they currently believe in.

No, Jews and Christians did not worship the God of the Moon until Jesus came and told them to be monotheist. Yes, many people were polytheist before monotheism... was THAT your point? It still doesn't change the fact that Moslems were polytheists long before Islam, and Christians/Jews never were.

The above is a prime example of either your dishonesty or your lack of intelligence. You can tell us which it is.

I never stated that Jews and Christians believed in the God of the Moon you fucking idiot. Also, the Jews really didn't give a crap about Jesus or what he had to say. Yes, my point is they believed in Multiple Gods, which is EXACTLY what I stated moron.

The PEOPLE who BECAME Christians and Jews WERE polytheists you dolt.

You're going to have to produce some evidence. Something you curiously seem to be lacking in your argument here. Thus far, it seems that all you really have is.... "Ditzie is Stoopid" ...and "Nuh- Uhhhh!" Sorry, not legitimate debate points.

Proof..... ok... lets start with say a simple one....

When was Christ born?
When is Christs birth celebrated by Christians?
What is the festival of lights?

Ever hear the story of Osiris saying he will bring his believers eternal life in Egyptian Heaven, contemplating the unutterable, indescribable glory of God. Wow... a mangod delivering his followers into the kingdom of God. Sounds familiar.

Ever hear the story of the good going to the Elysian Fields and the not so good going to Hades? Sounds a lot like the Christian concept of heaven and hell

Romulus is described as the Son of God, born of a virgin.... a virgin birth... who turned out to be the son of God... hmmm.... where else have we heard that?

A regular HUMAN can't do that... Jesus was said to be the living Son of God, which might explain such phenomenon.

Not according to the Jews. According to them Jesus was just a man. Not even a prophet. The Muslims on the other hand revere Jesus as a prophet. They also believe he was born from a Virgin. Way more similar to Christians than the Jews are on this point.

There are all kinds of other possibilities as well, maybe these stories are figurative and not literal? Speaking figuratively does not explain 2,500 year gaps between generations, and those who lived 2,500 years before having offspring, were not Sons and Daughters of God, they were just regular humans.... and humans don't live 2,500 years.

Wait one minute.... you have been telling us to take the Quran literally and NOW you suggest that some of these stories just might be figurative? imagine that.

I don't need an escape from your continued lack of evidence and insistence that I am stupid and you are right. What I need, is for you to step up to the plate and defend your religious beliefs in Islam. What I need, is for you to comprehend that calling me names and proclaiming me wrong, is not legitimate debate, and you really do need to offer some substance here, to keep from looking like a totally clueless fool who has nothing of substance to offer. But then... that's a fucking LOT to ask for with you!

The above again demonstrates how moronic you truly are. I am not the one proclaiming a religion is a fraud. YOU ARE. Therefore it is up to YOU TO PROVIDE PROOF.

I am agnostic. I have no religion to defend moron. I believe that ALL religions are based on FAITH. That none of them are completely factual. That almost ALL of them tell very similar stories from different perspectives. I don't think any one of the major religions is more or less believable than others.

YOU on the other hand keep calling Islam a counterfeit because it goes against what Christians believe. Lets be honest here shall we... you don't give a fuck about the Muslims disagreeing with the Jews. You care about their disagreements with that religion that you are supposedly not a part of.

 

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Why are you hiding behind ditzies skirt Yurt?

Also... if you think you can actually answer a question.... Where exactly do you claim I am using circular reasoning? Or did you just hear the term used by others and thought you would try it hear to see if it worked?

 

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Why are you hiding behind ditzies skirt Yurt?

Also... if you think you can actually answer a question.... Where exactly do you claim I am using circular reasoning? Or did you just hear the term used by others and thought you would try it hear to see if it worked?

spazz ^ exhibit #4567 ^

you're too easy

 

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you're too easy

Still hiding behind ditzies skirt?

Still too afraid to answer simple questions?

Still spazzing out about spazzing so that you can show the board how 'cool' you are?

So pathetic Yurt.

 

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Still hiding behind ditzies skirt?

Still too afraid to answer simple questions?

Still spazzing out about spazzing so that you can show the board how 'cool' you are?

So pathetic Yurt.

how am i hiding? unlike dune, i don't run and say - hey dixie, good job, SF is wrong!!!! no, that is what dune does behind your skirts. see, i have actually debated the issue with you ad nauseum, dune has never debated, rather, just lobs insults behind your skirt. i even came back and gave you a second chance, but you are intellectually dishonest about the issue and you keep going in circles. i am done wasting my time with you on this issue. and really, why are you still so obsessed with it is beyond me. apparently you like arguing a point to death.

but do continue your spazzout and do have the last word. i know you must always have the last word.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

LMAO.... again ditzie, I have addressed every single point you have made. You have provided NO evidence. You just PROCLAIMED it as evidence. You see the problem here? Just because you PROCLAIM 'this is evidence' doesn't mean you ACTUALLY have evidence. You have shown NOTHING other than bigoted OPINIONS.

Just shut up you fucking retard. I didn't "proclaim" anything evidence, I presented my case and the evidence to support it, and you simply waddled in and said my evidence was meaningless and I was an idiot... you have yet to refute a damn thing I presented.

You have brought up the timing issue numerous times on this thread. I didn't state that was your SOLE reason. I said it was one of your idiotic reasons.

I have not mentioned the first thing about "TIMING" you fucking TROLL! That's YOUR OWN yammering you're hearing! I CORRECTLY STATED... Muslims created Islam CENTURIES after Judaism and Christianity. That's a historical fact, and although you say it means nothing, it indeed means the idea of an Abrahamic God was around for centuries before the Islamics invented THEIR version! Sorry that you are too obtusely ignorant that you don't think it's a factor, it indeed IS a factor here, in evaluating THE TRUTH! Which you are NOT interested in, as evidenced by your manipulative lying and obfuscating here.

Yes, it is an idiotic claim. There are 1.2 BILLION Muslims in this world if even a slim MAJORITY of those (meaning over half) wanted to do as you CLAIM they want to do, there would have been far more murders of Jews and Christians. Hell Ditzie, Pakistan has Nukes, yet doesn't use them. If they wanted they could simply nuke Israel and martyr themselves in the name of Allah. But they don't.

Again, the Jews have been persecuted for centuries, and seldom have the numerical odds been in their favor. We have one historical account after the other, of the Jewish people overcoming unfathomable adversity and overwhelming disadvantages to prevail... for centuries! You want to ignorantly point to their resilience and claim that is proof the Muslims must not want to kill them?

And I am not just saying they want to do this.... Go read their religious dogma, you incurious dullard... you'll find it chock full of calls from Allah to destroy the Jews and Christians... over and over and over, all through their entire religious teaching. As I said, this was the fundamental purpose and reason for Islamization. To sit here and ignorantly proclaim that Muslims don't REALLY want to kill Jews and Christians, is almost laughable, if it weren't so serious a topic. Do you even KNOW how fucking stupid you're making yourself look?

No matter how many times you try to paint them all with the same brush it isn't going to work. Are there things we would all like to see changed with regards to some of their beliefs? Sure. Treatment of women is an easy one to point to. That said, they are nowhere near the violent rabble you continue to portray them as.

I haven't "painted" any goddamn thing, moron! I have stated FACT about their religion, their religious beliefs and tenants, and their professed objectives and fundamental purpose. You've refuted absolutely NONE of it!

Here we have the crux of the issue. You think that because of violent passages in the Koran (written over 1000 years ago) that somehow means those 1.2 Muslims are blood thirsty and looking to kill all Jews. Yet Jews and Christian minorities live among Muslims in many countries and somehow they haven't all been mysteriously killed.

No, I am saying, because this is what Muslims have preached for thousands of years, and it's the basis of their religion, to destroy Jews and Christians. I've said nothing about "blood thirsty" those are your words. They don't view it as "blood thirsty" as you do... they view it as Allah's Will, that they kill every Jew and Christian. And again.... Jewish longevity and resilience is not evidence they haven't been persecuted.

Yes... it most certainly DOES matter that they haven't tried to eliminate Jews and Christians.... it goes to show that they DO NOT BELIEVE AS YOU CLAIM THEY BELIEVE YOU HALF WIT.

No, again... it DOES NOT MATTER THAT JEWS HAVE FOUND SOME WAY TO SURVIVE AGAINST ALL ODDS! THAT IS NOT PROOF THAT MUSLIMS DON'T REALLY WANT TO KILL THEM YOU FUCKING MORONIC DUMBASS!

I'm done talking to you... If you want to believe Islam is a Religion of Peace and equivalent to Christianity.... go ahead and be an ignorant fucked in the head retard! If you want to call me names and pretend you've "WON" something here, fucking go for it billy badass! As far as I am concerned, you've not refuted one damn thing I've said, you've not made a case for your idiotic argument, and you are devoid of reason or rationality... I'm done arguing with a bigoted idiot.