So was Obama. He fooled millions of people into voting for someone based on skin color and all we ended up with was another unqualified black in a government job and black family in government housing. This one, like so many, brought along in laws.
So who was right on the Iraq War? Liberals vs. Conservatives.
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So was Obama. He fooled millions of people into voting for someone based on skin color and all we ended up with was another unqualified black in a government job and black family in government housing. This one, like so many, brought along in laws.
Way to miss the forest for the trees. You're throwing Hillary in as a red herring, as though somehow that disqualifies or mitigates the fact that as it pertains to the topic question, liberals were correct, conservatives were not. Hillary is not a liberal, she lost support from liberals in both presidential elections, and even though she was better than Trump, she was a bad choice for president. From a liberal perspective. Keep in mind that Trump advocated for WAR CRIMES throughout his candidacy. Hillary can't top that as a neocon-lite.
Why not just admit that liberals were and are on the right side of history in this case?
cawacko
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Didn't read what she wrote did you? You think WW, FDR and LBJ are right wingers now too? Is this a growing belief in liberal circles?
Thanks for proving what I said was 100% fact. Get back to kissing his black ass, NL.
SmarterthanYou
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that does absolutely nothing to explain how hillary was better, it just provides you an excuse to blame trumps victory on something else. try again.
Red herrings. This is like asking if the Founding Fathers were quality people, even though they often raped slaves. Obama is the most liberal president to date, and he was a moderate centrist. Liberalism is also more about civil and human rights than it is about the economy. Do you think FDR was liberal by the standards of civil and human rights?
SmarterthanYou
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far be it from me to defend CFM on anything, but he does have a point........
Obama fooled millions, not once, but twice. When he ran against hillary the first time, he used all kinds of pejorative terms to paint her as the absolute worst democratic candidate in that primary, but this last election cycle he said she was the most qualified ever...........so that tells us all one of two things.
1) that the liberal base is incredibly swayed by lies and propaganda
2) they really don't know what the fuck is going on and will vote for anyone that gets the most support from their handlers.
In what way did he fool anyone?
SmarterthanYou
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were there too many words in my last post that you couldn't finish reading it?
No, you said he fooled people twice, but failed to provide any examples.
Are you challenging me to explain why Hillary was an infinitely better choice than Trump? I would say if you can't determine that for yourself, you're already too far gone.
SmarterthanYou
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from my first post......maybe you just missed it.....
"When he ran against hillary the first time, he used all kinds of pejorative terms to paint her as the absolute worst democratic candidate in that primary, but this last election cycle he said she was the most qualified ever"
cawacko
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In the real world then is it impossible for a liberal to hold the highest office in our country based on your definitions?
SmarterthanYou
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so you can't explain it. that's all you had to say.
I would say it's extremely difficult to sell liberalism as a governing philosophy, because it requires setting a high level of moral and ethical behavior and a large degree of selflessness. It requires that people in Iraq be seen as equal to people in America. It requires distancing yourself from nations with glaring human rights abuses, such as Saudi Arabia, rather than siding with Saudi Arabia because they have oil and are the dominant Islamic side in regional holy war. It also requires talking tough to friends like Israel, that pretend to be bastions of Western democracy, even though they are illegal occupiers, and engage in a systematic and deliberate slaughtering of Palestinians under the pretense of national security (they called it 'mowing the grass'), while sabotaging any chance at peace.
Liberals often side with moderates (the least bad choice) over a rancid turn like Trump, or against moderates when a better moderate emerges. They are no liberal champions within the Democratic party, or if there are, I am unaware of them.
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Obama turned the Iraq War from a farce into a full blown tragedy, when will you ever acknowledge that fact?
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Sorry, I missed it again. Could you bold the part where you provide an example of what you claim?
Hillary was the most qualified on paper -- if you were to train someone to take a job as the Commander-In-Chief, in terms of experience and knowledge, she would pass. What she lacks are qualities such as political backbone and leadership.
By contrast, Trump had zero leadership skills except bullying and mocking his competitors. He was a shit businessman, and continues to bleed a fortune that he doesn't rightly possess, doesn't understand foreign policy, shits on diplomacy, has no intellectual curiosity and brags that he's the same now as he was at the age of 7. I could go on. Should I?
Incorrect. Obama followed the exit timetable set by Bush, dependent on the SOFA which Iraq wouldn't sign. Obama had two choices: Allow soldiers to be subject Iraq's criminal court, or invade the nation again so that he could keep soldiers in place. Even then, the Iraq government (under Al-Maliki) was effectively ruled out of Tehran, and they didn't want American troops in Iraq.