Sharp contrast between Bush handeling of Katrina v. Obama's handeling of Hurricane...

Onceler said:
Yeah - I know you Bushies had that kind of empathy.

And I love the exaggeration about jobs. You really can't talk about Obama without hyperbole...are you aware of that?
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Oh he's aware...ask him to explain what it's like living in Eastern Colorado where they experience sustained winds of 73 mph or higher ON A DAILY BASIS.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
So now Damo, one of this board's CREATORS is adopting the Yurt debating technique and is just going to ignore any facts that might prove inconvenient to his BS?

He claimed that in Eastern Colorado they experience SUSTAINED winds in excess of 73 mph ON A DAILY BASIS.

When asked for some EVIDENCE from the NWS, all he could come back with is some BS about his roof's rating with his insurance company.

Then, when pressed for facts to back up his ridiculous allegations, he whines about being "through" with this and then begins ignoring me. Talk about taking your ball and running home for a good cry!!
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You are acting the idiot. I said during the spring and fall we consistently have winds like that due to the extreme differences in temperature (hot to cold)...

I also posted that data for our area is minimal, unlike for the city which has less wind. However, during the right season days with 65 MPH gusts upwards to 80 isn't unheard of in the city. Of course you know it is true because you have supposedly lived here. But then honesty isn't one of your regular virtues. I made it clear I was posting on my experience of living here, not using data from a website... And I even said that the data are not readily available as it isn't collected in rural communities...
 
\\(\(\/)/)// said:
No tornadoes or winter storms?
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Those happen. Winter storms are cool, but don't usually cause "disaster" claims except for the ranchers who need to feed cattle. The wind is awesome during them... Shakes the house.

Tornadoes here are smaller than the ones that hit in Joplin, our altitude makes it difficult for the huge ones to form. I do think that the one that hit in Arapahoe/Adams was one of the largest and may have gotten some federal assistance.
 
bravo said:
The timeline is in post 202.....wtf should Bush have done...that should be an easy question for you pinheads...now is your chance to impress us...
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Well bravo, isn't Obama's example good enough? Bush should have come back to Washington and "gotten in the game" with the hurricane, like Obama did. That may have worked to scare the hurricane into downgrading, or maybe going away altogether, we'll never know because Bush didn't even TRY to stop the hurricane! He just sat there with a dumb look on his face, while hundreds of people lost their homes and drowned because they were black and too poor to get out of the way of breaching levees....Bush didn't care... he just let them die!
 
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Are gusts included in the averages?
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No, those are sustained wind speed averages. I do know that they report the gusts in the news each year, but they are "alerts" and expire. Zappa would know, and if he were being honest he could tell you, every spring there are weeks of massively high winds in the cities, Arvada usually has "wind speed warnings" with gusts in the 70 to 80 area for three to four weeks each year. Signs all over the highway telling the trucks that wind speeds may turn them over...
 
Damocles said:
There's no eye, the winds are less than we get daily on the plains, the storms are not the same thing. That FEMA performed better is great, but it wasn't tested like Katrina tested it and I hope it never is.
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Damocles said:
You are acting the idiot. I said during the spring and fall we consistently have winds like that due to the extreme differences in temperature (hot to cold)...

I also posted that data for our area is minimal, unlike for the city which has less wind. However, during the right season days with 65 MPH gusts upwards to 80 isn't unheard of in the city. Of course you know it is true because you have supposedly lived here. But then honesty isn't one of your regular virtues. I made it clear I was posting on my experience of living here, not using data from a website... And I even said that the data are not readily available as it isn't collected in rural communities...
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That's right...get to backpedalling so you don't have to own up to your ridiculous hyperbole.

What happened? Yesterday you were here crowing about how you got winds equal to any Tropical Storm on a DAILY basis...not "consistently"...not "during the right season" as your hilarious backpedaling above shows...you said DAILY!

Then of course you toss in a couple standard snarky Damobombs...calling me "the idiot" and my questions "foolish" because answering them would mean having to admit your "evidence" has no basis in reality.
 
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  • 05/26/2008 Colorado Severe Storms and Tornadoes


  • 01/07/2007 Colorado Snow


  • 01/07/2007 Colorado Snow


  • 04/09/2003 Colorado Snowstorm

http://www.fema.gov/femaNews/disasterSearch.do
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Yup, pretty much what I would expect. And I would bet that the snowstorm assistance will be spent on ranchers who either need it to feed their cattle or to buy new cattle from stock dying...

I'll also note your list includes things like 'Katrina', which was people moving here after Katrina.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say here. Colorado gets aid money, I've never made any claim that nobody here received any aid.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
That's right...get to backpedalling so you don't have to own up to your ridiculous hyperbole.

What happened? Yesterday you were here crowing about how you got winds equal to any Tropical Storm on a DAILY basis...not "consistently"...not "during the right season" as your hilarious backpedaling above shows...you said DAILY!

Then of course you toss in a couple standard snarky Damobombs...calling me "the idiot" and my questions "foolish" because answering them would mean having to admit your "evidence" has no basis in reality.
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Right, however the conversation continued, the post wasn't in a vacuum, during the conversation I explained when the winds came and why.

I said you were acting the idiot, not that you are one so stop crying about me being "snarky"... You are... for somebody who used to live here trying to claim that they've never experienced it is like me watching somebody add extra letters to the alphabet and saying that it was my teacher that failed me.

You make no sense.
 
Damocles said:
Your objection to my simple post where I pointed out that they are not the same thing tells a different story. It's been pretty much the only thing I've said to you throughout the thread in different ways using different analogies. Now go pick that bouquet of stink weeds for your wife, if she's like you, the "similarities" should be enough to make them a lovely center piece for your dinner.

At least we've gotten to the point where "we" can understand that the storms that hit the two places were massively different, as well as the situation between the places. Now, tell me again how they are the same thing... There's no eye, the winds are less than we get daily on the plains, the storms are not the same thing. That FEMA performed better is great, but it wasn't tested like Katrina tested it and I hope it never is.
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Damocles said:
You are acting the idiot. I said during the spring and fall we consistently have winds like that due to the extreme differences in temperature (hot to cold)...

I also posted that data for our area is minimal, unlike for the city which has less wind. However, during the right season days with 65 MPH gusts upwards to 80 isn't unheard of in the city. Of course you know it is true because you have supposedly lived here. But then honesty isn't one of your regular virtues. I made it clear I was posting on my experience of living here, not using data from a website... And I even said that the data are not readily available as it isn't collected in rural communities...
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Damocles said:
Like I said, the data for rural areas are unavailable. All of these are from cities. Also the averages do not note gusts...
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I call more bullshit!

Limon most certainly is NOT a city...it is a small, rural town of just over 2,000 according to the 2000 census. You live just to the SW of Limon so their numbers are indeed telling...
 
ZappasGuitar said:
I call more bullshit!

Limon most certainly is NOT a city...it is a small, rural town of just over 2,000. You live just to the SW of Limon so their numbers are indeed telling...
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Limon would be closer, but like Pueblo the buildings built close together create a barrier to the winds. However I'll ask again: Are you going to be honest and tell people that you too have experienced the high winds in Colorado? I will absolutely reject the idea that you have ever lived here as you claim if you try to claim you have never been here during the high winds...

You can call "BS" all you want. I honestly don't care anymore and can't see what this would prove regardless... at this point the thread is devolved into something inane. Are there high winds at my house? Yes. There are. Would 65 MPH winds cause the same damage as a Cat 3 hurricane in New Orleans... Apparently not. Bridges and other damage are from the flooding, which wasn't from a storm surge... Saturated ground allowed water to flow that otherwise would have been absorbed, it causes flooding. This, however, is not comparable to Katrina.
 
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