Sharp contrast between Bush handeling of Katrina v. Obama's handeling of Hurricane...

[Onceler]

lol...still can't mention the name of the person you were talking about.

you did blame bush, then when you realized you were wrong to do so, claimed you didn't blame bush. but you screwed up by claiming you didn't bring up nagin. nice pickle you put yourself in.

thanks for the laughs little buddy.

I said, I was contrasting BUSH with OBAMA. I am TALKING ABOUT BUSH. AND I AM TALKING ABOUT LEADERSHIP. I am NOT blaming Bush for flooding or people being stranded initially, and NEVER SAID SO.

You, sir, are a fucking dense, obtuse, reading-challenged idiot. Dumb as a box of fucking rocks.

 

[Onceler]

So much for Yurt's thirst for "real debate." Once again proving why you're the board joke.

 

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The prep in anticipation of this hurricane was spot on. And look at the area covered - many states, many local authorities to coordinate with, many millions more to evacuate or prepare. They're right...there really is no comparison to Katrina. This one was more involved.

As for what happened after the storm hit...who can forget over a full day of images of thousands of people stranded in New Orleans, in the floods...while NO leadership came from anywhere? There was a void, and a sense of chaos. Americans watching the fiasco had the same questions...what's going on? Who is in charge? Why isn't anyone helping these people?

Stark contrast, indeed....

I said, I was contrasting BUSH with OBAMA. I am TALKING ABOUT BUSH. AND I AM TALKING ABOUT LEADERSHIP. I am NOT blaming Bush for flooding or people being stranded initially, and NEVER SAID SO.

You, sir, are a fucking dense, obtuse, reading-challenged idiot. Dumb as a box of fucking rocks.

why is it you can't say who is responsible for the underlined? if you're not blaming bush, who is at fault?

 

[Onceler]

why is it you can't say who is responsible for the underlined? if you're not blaming bush, who is at fault?

Oh......my.......God.

I am blaming Bush for the lack of leadership, which is the part of the sentence you didn't bold. You are so dumb; you did think I was blaming Bush for the flooding.

Incredible. How many posts have we spent on this? I'm calling BS on every "call to debate" you have ever had with anyone, at any time, on this or any other board. You do not seek or foster debate.

 

[Onceler]

It's embarassing that you think Bush cut his vacation short "proactively," while your trying to equate equivalency w/ Obama because the hurricane "hit" before he cut his vaca short.

It's so disingenuous. There is no comparison, and it's laughable that you think there is because Obama's vaca didn't stop simultaneously with the hurricane hitting land.

Again - Bush watched people stranded, for over 24 hours. You're a dreadful hack & apologist.

And you're doing a good job of distracting from the vacation topic, which IS embarassing for you....

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Oh......my.......God.

I am blaming Bush for the lack of leadership, which is the part of the sentence you didn't bold. You are so dumb; you did think I was blaming Bush for the flooding.

Incredible. How many posts have we spent on this? I'm calling BS on every "call to debate" you have ever had with anyone, at any time, on this or any other board. You do not seek or foster debate.

i'm having a real difficult time understanding why the lack of leadership on the part of nagin and blanco is resulting in the lack of leadership in bush. can you help me with that?

see, the evac orders, transportation, shelter arrangements, and just about everything else was initially in the hands of the governor and mayor. even FEMA was taking direction from the state. So how again is it that for the first 48 hours, Bush was at fault?

 

[Onceler]

i'm having a real difficult time understanding why the lack of leadership on the part of nagin and blanco is resulting in the lack of leadership in bush. can you help me with that?

see, the evac orders, transportation, shelter arrangements, and just about everything else was initially in the hands of the governor and mayor. even FEMA was taking direction from the state. So how again is it that for the first 48 hours, Bush was at fault?

That's a pass the buck mentality. The President has unparalleled executive power - a situation like that, where the local leadership fails & creates a leadership void - was the perfect situation for Bush to show us how much of a leader he was, since that is one of about 3 things he campaigned on.

You sound like a bureaucrat - "that's not my department"....

 

[NOVA]

Oh......my.......God.

I am blaming Bush for the lack of leadership, which is the part of the sentence you didn't bold. You are so dumb; you did think I was blaming Bush for the flooding.

Incredible. How many posts have we spent on this? I'm calling BS on every "call to debate" you have ever had with anyone, at any time, on this or any other board. You do not seek or foster debate.

Diagnosis...

Bad case of BDS....very bad and incurable...the onecell pea-sized brain there was to begin with is entirely compromised...

 

[SmarterthanYou]

That's a pass the buck mentality. The President has unparalleled executive power - a situation like that, where the local leadership fails & creates a leadership void - was the perfect situation for Bush to show us how much of a leader he was, since that is one of about 3 things he campaigned on.

You sound like a bureaucrat - "that's not my department"....

this is not a 'pass the buck' mentality. as much as you libs like to assume that the president has all this unparallelled power, he doesn't. there are still laws of federalism that even the executive has to abide by. any situation where local or state leadership fails to function or creates a void cannot be assumed by the executive federal power. It requires SPECIFIC legislation by congress. use the civil rights act as your example. the bottom line is you need to be placing the total failure of most recovery and rescue efforts on the state and local powers that be.

now, that doesn't mean you can't blame bush for michael browns incompetence, but as to the others, no. that isn't bush's fault just like it wouldn't be Obamas fault.

 

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That's a pass the buck mentality. The President has unparalleled executive power - a situation like that, where the local leadership fails & creates a leadership void - was the perfect situation for Bush to show us how much of a leader he was, since that is one of about 3 things he campaigned on.

You sound like a bureaucrat - "that's not my department"....

this is why you refuse to say who exactly it is you're talking about. this way you can spin and dance around, saying bush isn't responsible, but, his lack of leadership is responsible for nagin's failures. so on the one hand, you avoid admitting you were in fact talking about nagin (which means you lied when you said you didn't bring him up) and you get to parse words to such an insane level by claiming, no bush isn't responsible......but.....his lack of leadership caused nagin's and blanco's failure merely because he is the president (or in reality, because he is bush and you must always blame him)

if you truly wanted to be honest and debate the issue, you would state who is responsible. you've basically admitted you were talking about nagin, but you can't outright admit it because you would have to admit you lied.

 

[NOVA]

That's a pass the buck mentality. The President has unparalleled executive power - a situation like that, where the local leadership fails & creates a leadership void - was the perfect situation for Bush to show us how much of a leader he was, since that is one of about 3 things he campaigned on.

You sound like a bureaucrat - "that's not my department"....

You're not very familiar with the law are you....what a president can and cannot do.....by law....

 

[Onceler]

this is why you refuse to say who exactly it is you're talking about. this way you can spin and dance around, saying bush isn't responsible, but, his lack of leadership is responsible for nagin's failures. so on the one hand, you avoid admitting you were in fact talking about nagin (which means you lied when you said you didn't bring him up) and you get to parse words to such an insane level by claiming, no bush isn't responsible......but.....his lack of leadership caused nagin's and blanco's failure merely because he is the president (or in reality, because he is bush and you must always blame him)

if you truly wanted to be honest and debate the issue, you would state who is responsible. you've basically admitted you were talking about nagin, but you can't outright admit it because you would have to admit you lied.

LOL - I figured you were waiting for a life preserver.

I appreciated STY's response - he tried to debate the main issue (leadership), instead of spending pages going on w/ stupid gotcha parsing like you do. But I stand by it - Bush displayed no leadership in that first day +, when it was needed. STY is talking about the logistics of leadership - I agree w/ some of what he is saying, but there are things that Bush could have done better & sooner, particularly with FEMA. I'm talking about leadership as a whole, which was sorely lacking. As I said in the post you keep misreading - most Americans were wondering who was in charge, and why nothing was being done, and what was going on. That shouldn't happen in a national crisis.

 

[Onceler]

I find this all hilarious from Yurt after his days of posting about Obama & BP, btw...

 

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LOL - I figured you were waiting for a life preserver.

I appreciated STY's response - he tried to debate the main issue (leadership), instead of spending pages going on w/ stupid gotcha parsing like you do. But I stand by it - Bush displayed no leadership in that first day +, when it was needed. STY is talking about the logistics of leadership - I agree w/ some of what he is saying, but there are things that Bush could have done better & sooner, particularly with FEMA. I'm talking about leadership as a whole, which was sorely lacking. As I said in the post you keep misreading - most Americans were wondering who was in charge, and why nothing was being done, and what was going on. That shouldn't happen in a national crisis.

i have discussed the issue with you. i asked the same question STY did, but you went berserk. i asked who you were talking about and how the underlined is bush's fault. that is essentially the same thing STY asked. but you refuse to state WHO is responsible. you imply that is nagin you're talking about, but you can't say it because you LIED and claimed you didn't bring nagin up.

if you would just admit you brought him up, you could stop acting like a petulant child who got caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

 

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I find this all hilarious from Yurt after his days of posting about Obama & BP, btw...

what is hilarious is your childish attempt to run away from your lie. your refusal to discuss the issue. i have no clue what you're babbling about above, but i'm sure it is highly relevant here...just more dishonest yurt said this stuff

 

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Give it up Damo, you are obviously "deranged" because you can't see that Obama is greater than Bush in defeating hurricanes! It is obvious how brilliant this man is, he cut his vacation short to come to Washington so he could "get in the game" with the hurricane... a move I am quite sure the hurricane NEVER expected! Just the mere presence of Obama arriving back in DC on AF1, was enough to frighten the hurricane into downgrading itself to a tropical storm... Bush could have NEVER done something like that!

 

[Onceler]

i have discussed the issue with you. i asked the same question STY did, but you went berserk. i asked who you were talking about and how the underlined is bush's fault. that is essentially the same thing STY asked. but you refuse to state WHO is responsible. you imply that is nagin you're talking about, but you can't say it because you LIED and claimed you didn't bring nagin up.

if you would just admit you brought him up, you could stop acting like a petulant child who got caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

Oh, bull. Please contrast STY's thoughtful response with your reading-challenged gotcha BS over the past few pages of this thread.

I wasn't caught at anything. I said, who can forget the images, while we lacked leadership? And never made bones about the fact that I was responding directly to your question about Bush, and was talking about Bush, or anything that you have claimed.

And as for those claims - FOUR fabrications about things I said on this thread alone, Yurt. You're a mess. This has been truly draining, but I stand by what I have said about 100 times now - there was a leadership void during Katrina, and Bush failed miserably on that level.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

You're not very familiar with the law are you....what a president can and cannot do.....by law....

He's totally clueless. Bush actually did more than he was constitutionally authorized to do, in declaring a national disaster before there was one, or before the state even made a request. It was UNPRECEDENTED... (pinheads, that means it had never happened before!) Typically, a disaster has to happen first, then the STATE officials REQUEST Federal assistance, and THHHHHEEEEEN.... FEMA and the President have the authority under the Constitution, to act. Technically speaking, Bush committed an "impeachable offense" when he declared the area a national disaster BEFORE the disaster, and BEFORE the state request which is required by the law. In any event, he courageously over-stepped his powers to declare a national disaster, and get the FEMA trucks rolling, DAYS ahead of what has ever happened before.

 

[Bonestorm]

He's totally clueless. Bush actually did more than he was constitutionally authorized to do, in declaring a national disaster before there was one, or before the state even made a request. It was UNPRECEDENTED... (pinheads, that means it had never happened before!) Typically, a disaster has to happen first, then the STATE officials REQUEST Federal assistance, and THHHHHEEEEEN.... FEMA and the President have the authority under the Constitution, to act. Technically speaking, Bush committed an "impeachable offense" when he declared the area a national disaster BEFORE the disaster, and BEFORE the state request which is required by the law. In any event, he courageously over-stepped his powers to declare a national disaster, and get the FEMA trucks rolling, DAYS ahead of what has ever happened before.

Hilarious. Your timeline is just slightly fucked.

 

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Oh, bull. Please contrast STY's thoughtful response with your reading-challenged gotcha BS over the past few pages of this thread.

I wasn't caught at anything. I said, who can forget the images, while we lacked leadership? And never made bones about the fact that I was responding directly to your question about Bush, and was talking about Bush, or anything that you have claimed.

And as for those claims - FOUR fabrications about things I said on this thread alone, Yurt. You're a mess. This has been truly draining, but I stand by what I have said about 100 times now - there was a leadership void during Katrina, and Bush failed miserably on that level.

my responses are thoughtful and i asked you essentially the very same question STY did. with me, however, you had an meltdown. i don't what your issue is, but it is clear that when you get cornered and busted in a lie, you just lash out. you could have been honest like me and admit your mistake right away. instead, you go down your usual course of heaping more lies upon the lie in order to not admit you're wrong.

i haven ot fabricated anything you've said. do you see what is happening here? i'm trying to discuss the issue with you, you keep attacking and deflecting away from WHO you were talking about. you have yet to expressly say - yes, i was talking about nagin. until you do, there is no point in having any further discussion with you because it is clear you will continue to be dishonest about it because you screwed by claiming you didn't bring nagin up. if you hadn't freaked out and went into meltdown mode, we could be conducting a rational discussion about this.