Sending Tanks To The Ukraine.

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Those were both capitalism vs communism wars

In other words, nothing.

 

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While we supply arms

As long as it isn't the American doing the fighting, that doesn't matter.

 

[Mason Michaels]

As long as it isn't the American doing the fighting, that doesn't matter.

Utopian pov!
Live by the sword die by the sword

 

[debatefix]

The Communist Comintern, or International, and its successors, was predicated on world domination by Communism. Assisting any group that was furthering that goal was supported.

https://www.marxists.org/history/international/comintern/index.htm

Supporting a particular political cult doesn't gain anything. And in case you don't know, there were communist countries who were still bitter rivals with another.

 

[debatefix]

Even as recently as a few years ago, Russians were in command on attacks on American troops in Syria. They provided tanks and aircraft... AND TANK DRIVERS AND AIRCRAFT PILOTS... to attack Americans. We are providing Ukraine with weapons to defend themselves. It is Putin's fault that he is the one invading Ukraine.

Did you hear their most recent excuse? They are now claiming Ukraine was going to be invaded by Poland, and they are just invading to help protect Ukraine.

As far as I have heard, Russian troops and American troops never directly fought each other in Syria.

 

[debatefix]

You make a good point, but I disagree with you. During the Korean War, American troops came within a hundred miles of the Chinese border, and within two hundred miles of the Russian border. While that part of Russia is very far from the heart of Russia, Russia and China did feel immediately threatened. China felt so immediately threatened they joined the war to keep from having American troops on their border.

Vietnam also shares a border with China, but that is a little different. China and Vietnam fought a war along that border, and American troops never approached that border. Still there was a huge American fleet in the South China Sea... That could not have been a good thing for China.

The possibility of Allied troops on the Chinese border After defeating NK was a shit excuse for getting involved.

 

[debatefix]

Utopian pov!
Live by the sword die by the sword

If we aren't doing the fighting, it isn't us playing the world's cops. That's the end of the story.

 

[Althea]

Perhaps, but it's not just Germany. America's reluctant as well.

I've been saying it for a year, and many disagree.

The world is terrified of Putin. So we all sit back and watch him commit genocide, while we clutch our pearls. All because we believe he is crazy enough to start Armageddon.

Each day, Putin's mouthpieces offer idle threats about what will happen with each escalation. All of it bullshit.


NATO and non NATO nations should have put this to rest on day one.

Perhaps it was wise to progress slowly and garner worldwide support?

Right now, 40% of Ukraine's infrastructure is gone. At what point do we stop clutching?

 

[Mason Michaels]

If we aren't doing the fighting, it isn't us playing the world's cops. That's the end of the story.

Live by the sword die by the sword!
Supplying arms is living (and profiting) sword!

 

[LurchAddams]

I've been saying it for a year, and many disagree.

The world is terrified of Putin. So we all sit back and watch him commit genocide, while we clutch our pearls. All because we believe he is crazy enough to start Armageddon.

Each day, Putin's mouthpieces offer idle threats about what will happen with each escalation. All of it bullshit.


NATO and non NATO nations should have put this to rest on day one.

Perhaps it was wise to progress slowly and garner worldwide support?

Right now, 40% of Ukraine's infrastructure is gone. At what point do we stop clutching?

I cannot argue with any of that. Ukraine should have been made part of NATO decades ago - before they invaded Crimea. It would have prevented all of this.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

No doubt you have all seen this if you watch the news. The Ukraine is asking the West for tanks. But there seems to be some reluctance to do so. There was also reluctance to send the Ukraine fighter jets. But I don't see what the big deal is. During both the Korean War and the Vietnamese War, Russia sent both of them tanks and aircraft. I say that Tzar Putin and Russia in general could use a little payback in that regard. I see that there seems to be some reluctance to reply to me. But I will ask it anyway. Do you agree or disagree.

1812 Overture

Putin is the last holdout against the tyranny of the Globalist Empire. Unlike decadent America, he is serious about enforcing Russia's own Monroe Doctrine, which is his right as much as it used to be ours.

The Ukraine's military is a puppet army financed solely by the wealthiest and most militarily advanced power in the world. But the same can be said about the Nazis and Napoleon.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Not sure that Abrams can be sent at short notice and Ukrainians trained up on them.

Yeltsin Was Too Drunk to Notice the Looming Encirclement

The Yukees have been trained on everything the New World Order military has ever since George Global, Sr., was President.

 

[Althea]

The Puma Infantry Fighting Vehicle is a very different vehicle than the Leopard 2 Main Battle Tank. They look kind of the same, but they are completely different categories of weapon systems.

The Leopard 2 shares many characteristics with the Abrams, because the Abrams was designed with German help at the same time as the Leopard 2. They are not interchangeable, but they make most of the same design decisions.

Behind the scenes, I'm thinking there are trust issues. Under Obama, we were reluctant to send arms due to massive corruption in the then Ukraine govt..

Each day Zelenskyy seems to arrest/dismiss/punish traitors within his ranks. I have to wonder if there are demands for guarantees re. vetting troops before the world agrees to send more complex weapons?

I have a hard time believing that the world still gives credence to all of Putin's bluffs?

 

[Althea]

I cannot argue with any of that. Ukraine should have been made part of NATO decades ago - before they invaded Crimea. It would have prevented all of this.

We tend to forget that the Manafort installed govt. in Ukraine was pro Putin. After that it was run by a corrupt energy czar, and ultimately Zelenskyy ran on an anti corruption platform.

Ukraine had to prove itself before becoming a NATO member.

Now that Putin's key operative is no longer POTUS, he chose to move on Ukraine.

I'm guessing there is a lot of behind the scenes strategy that we know nothing about.

Because the answer seems fairly simple

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Supporting a particular political cult doesn't gain anything. And in case you don't know, there were communist countries who were still bitter rivals with another.

The Birchers Were Right for the Wrong Reason

The Chicoms hated the Bolshies from as early as 1930. So this "monolithic Communism" was an ignorant CIA scare-story from the very beginning. Russia would not have intervened if MacArthur had nuked the Chinese invasion force staging inside China. Both Koreas would have been united and free. But Truman, a whore of the Military-Industrial Complex, needed to provide an excuse for massive military spending, so he let China maintain its power.

 

[Walt]

As far as I have heard, Russian troops and American troops never directly fought each other in Syria.

It depends on how you define "Russian troops." The Wagner Group(Russian mercenaries) battled US forces(mainly Marines on the ground) in the Battle of Khasham. In the Ukrainian Invasion, the Wagner Group has been acting as a special force within the Russian Army. In Syria they acted as Russian military advisors.

 

[Walt]

The possibility of Allied troops on the Chinese border After defeating NK was a shit excuse for getting involved.

The Chinese did not want North Korea to collapse, and did not want to have US troops on their border. Right or wrong, they decided to enter the war.

 

[moon]

The Chinese did not want North Korea to collapse, and did not want to have US troops on their border. Right or wrong, they decided to enter the war.

They were right, as it turned out. They're still right.

Yanqui- go home.

US foreign policy stinks.

 

[LurchAddams]

We tend to forget that the Manafort installed govt. in Ukraine was pro Putin. After that it was run by a corrupt energy czar, and ultimately Zelenskyy ran on an anti corruption platform.

Ukraine had to prove itself before becoming a NATO member.

Now that Putin's key operative is no longer POTUS, he chose to move on Ukraine.

I'm guessing there is a lot of behind the scenes strategy that we know nothing about.

Because the answer seems fairly simple

The fact that people like Manafort, Stone, Flynn, Bannon, and twump are still running around free proves there are two systems of justice in America. The fact that twump is free to run for president again makes America an international joke.

 

[dukkha]

No doubt you have all seen this if you watch the news. The Ukraine is asking the West for tanks. But there seems to be some reluctance to do so. There was also reluctance to send the Ukraine fighter jets. But I don't see what the big deal is. During both the Korean War and the Vietnamese War, Russia sent both of them tanks and aircraft. I say that Tzar Putin and Russia in general could use a little payback in that regard. I see that there seems to be some reluctance to reply to me. But I will ask it anyway. Do you agree or disagree.

what a pile. payback for Vietnam determines a war policy in Ukraine? moronic
US support swamps the little the Euros do -they take a free ride for the most part on our dime