Sending Tanks To The Ukraine.

LurchAddams said:
The fact that people like Manafort, Stone, Flynn, Bannon, and twump are still running around free proves there are two systems of justice in America. The fact that twump is free to run for president again makes America an international joke.
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We learned a lot about our govt. when trump was in office. Many things that we thought were law, were simply accepted protocols that no POTUS ever thought about ignoring. From day one, trump had his legal team discern what is, and what isn't codified law.

He set out to monetize the office, and for 4 years he funneled taxpayer money right into his own pockets.

Those you mention had enough dirt on trump to squeeze pardons out of him.

Not to mix metaphors, but life is long, and patience is a virtue.
 
debatefix said:
As far as I have heard, Russian troops and American troops never directly fought each other in Syria.
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but now we have al th makings of a traditional war against Russia with armor -oh that will never happen?
Who would ever have thought tanks when we started this escalation? Put the war material out there, it has a way of being used
 
Just saw an "expert" on Morning Joe claim that it will be months before these tanks will actually be in Ukraine. They haven't even been built yet apparently and even after they are it will take months to train the Ukrainian army how to operate them. Many more people on both sides will die before then. So tragic - not only for Ukraine but for Russian soldiers who really aren't on board with this invasion.
 
Russia has a permanent airbase in Khmeimim , Syria but Syria is recognized as a longtime Russian client state
 
Althea said:
We learned a lot about our govt. when trump was in office. Many things that we thought were law, were simply accepted protocols that no POTUS ever thought about ignoring. From day one, trump had his legal team discern what is, and what isn't codified law.

He set out to monetize the office, and for 4 years he funneled taxpayer money right into his own pockets.

Those you mention had enough dirt on trump to squeeze pardons out of him.

Not to mix metaphors, but life is long, and patience is a virtue.
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Yep, twump exploited every loophole, starting with not divesting himself of his business. I think I heard the revenues he hauled in by having foreign dignitaries stay in his properties was in the hundreds of thousands. Remember the incident where he made - I think it was Pence stay in one of his UK properties so far away from where his actually meeting was he had to be flown back and forth to his meetings? Such obvious grift - but still, the GOP had no problem with it.

The Secret Service had to stay at his properties as well and pay twump inc an exhorbinant amount to do it.

At least twump did one good thing - demonstrate which loopholes need to be closed.
 
LurchAddams said:
Just saw an "expert" on Morning Joe claim that it will be months before these tanks will actually be in Ukraine. They haven't even been built yet apparently and even after they are it will take months to train the Ukrainian army how to operate them. Many more people on both sides will die before then. So tragic - not only for Ukraine but for Russian soldiers who really aren't on board with this invasion.
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correct/ its another mindless escalation ( apparently Biden decided to give them to Zelensky for his birthday)

Biden mislabels Ukraine as aggressor while announcing tanks to Kyiv
https://nypost.com/2023/01/25/biden-mislabels-ukraine-as-aggressor-while-announcing-tanks-to-kyiv/
Biden said the US was sending the aid “to help counter Ukraine’s brutal aggression,” before quickly adding, “that’s happening because of Russia.”

The announcement is an abrupt pivot that comes six days after Pentagon spokesperson Sabrina Singh said “it just doesn’t make sense to provide [M1s] to the Ukrainians at this moment” because the tanks have a gas-turbine engine that runs on jet fuel.

 
moon said:
Just as well- or the Zionists would have the US bombing Iran already.
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Israel would probably do it own bombing. But Russia kept Assad in power -after the USA repeatley called him a terrorist" - that was the best outcome as jihadi was the alternative
 
dukkha said:
correct/ its another mindless escalation ( apparently Biden decided to give them to Zelensky for his birthday)

Biden mislabels Ukraine as aggressor while announcing tanks to Kyiv
https://nypost.com/2023/01/25/biden-mislabels-ukraine-as-aggressor-while-announcing-tanks-to-kyiv/
Biden said the US was sending the aid “to help counter Ukraine’s brutal aggression,” before quickly adding, “that’s happening because of Russia.”

The announcement is an abrupt pivot that comes six days after Pentagon spokesperson Sabrina Singh said “it just doesn’t make sense to provide [M1s] to the Ukrainians at this moment” because the tanks have a gas-turbine engine that runs on jet fuel.
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You realize the NY Post is a tabloid newspaper owned and operated by Rupert Murdock - the same Rupert Murdock who is being sued for lying about voting machine sabotage?

Got anything else?
 
Walt said:
Even as recently as a few years ago, Russians were in command on attacks on American troops in Syria. They provided tanks and aircraft... AND TANK DRIVERS AND AIRCRAFT PILOTS... to attack Americans. We are providing Ukraine with weapons to defend themselves. It is Putin's fault that he is the one invading Ukraine.

Did you hear their most recent excuse? They are now claiming Ukraine was going to be invaded by Poland, and they are just invading to help protect Ukraine.
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there was only the Warger group. no Russian's attacked Americans except in that one battle Deir Ezzor.
No Russian tanks were involved
 
LurchAddams said:
Yep, twump exploited every loophole, starting with not divesting himself of his business. I think I heard the revenues he hauled in by having foreign dignitaries stay in his properties was in the hundreds of thousands. Remember the incident where he made - I think it was Pence stay in one of his UK properties so far away from where his actually meeting was he had to be flown back and forth to his meetings? Such obvious grift - but still, the GOP had no problem with it.

The Secret Service had to stay at his properties as well and pay twump inc an exhorbinant amount to do it.

At least twump did one good thing - demonstrate which loopholes need to be closed.
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Yes. At one point, the SS moved out of the shithole accomodations in Manhattan trump Tower and stayed in a trailer in the street. All due to being raped by trumpco for the rooms.

We also learned that the emoluments clause does not pertain to POTUS.

How the hell can that be?
 
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moon said:
They were right, as it turned out. They're still right.
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I would argue that South Korea is better off than North Korea, and that North Koreans would be better off had the Korean War ended with them being South Koreans.

I would go on to argue that China has a tough time dealing with North Korea, and so even China would be better off if North Korea did not exist.
 
Althea said:
Yes. At one point, the SS moved out of the shithole accomodations in Manhattan trump Tower and stayed in a trailer in the street. All due to being raped by trumpco for the rooms.

We also learned that the emoluments clause does not pertain to POTUS.

How the hell can that be?
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Like I said - that loophole needs to be closed. It's beyond me how - with all the evidence right in front of us from the last 6 years - how Republicans can claim Biden or any Democrat is more corrupt than twump.
 
dukkha said:
there was only the Warger group. no Russian's attacked Americans except in that one battle Deir Ezzor.
No Russian tanks were involved
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Wagner Group is a Russian company that employs Russians, was paid for by Russians, and acts as a de facto part of the Russian Government.

They tried their best not to directly attack us, for the most part just attacking our allies. trump and Putin worked things out so our allies would be killed, and Putin and Iran could have a major win in Syria. The one time they did directly attack Americans was the Battle of Khasham(in Deir ez-Zor Governorate, so I think you are referring to it when you say "Deir Ezzor").

Putin, Iran, and Turkey made out like bandits in Syria. Our allies were all killed. It was all a huge failure for trump.
 
dukkha said:
Israel would probably do it own bombing. But Russia kept Assad in power -after the USA repeatley called him a terrorist" - that was the best outcome as jihadi was the alternative
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I don't believe so. That would result in direct counter-measures against the Jewish fascists . Iran is powerful and has been working on suitable responses to Israeli military aggression for quite some time. The Israelis are, essentially, cowardly . They are used to slaughtering unarmed opposition.

Assad is an asshole- most ' leaders ' are , including ours- but he was elected by Syrians. Anybody claiming that the election was fraudulent is living in a glass house.
 
Walt said:
I would argue that South Korea is better off than North Korea, and that North Koreans would be better off had the Korean War ended with them being South Koreans.

I would go on to argue that China has a tough time dealing with North Korea, and so even China would be better off if North Korea did not exist.
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I would argue that North Korea would win- if it ever came to it- and that's what it's all about.

China and North Korea are closer than our media would have us believe. ' Divide and conquer ' is a mantra with barnacles on it.
 
Walt said:
The Chinese did not want North Korea to collapse, and did not want to have US troops on their border. Right or wrong, they decided to enter the war.
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Before They Could Stab Someone in the Back, They First Had to Take Away His Backbone

Using that as an excuse not to invade North Vietnam after it had done just that to South Vietnam proved that our Chickenhawk ruling class
didn't want to win. More proof that the purpose of the Vietnam War was to kill off or take the fight out of the bravest sons of the White working class. Mission Accomplished.
 
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