Scott Walker Legalizes Rape

[Howey]

Thank you. And perhaps you need to indicate when it's sarcasm since none of us "got it"

That's not sarcasm, it's backtracking.

 

[Steelplate]

Rape is sexual violation against one's will...this qualifies.

 

[Phantasmal]

Like I said, the dues are not that serious. The average GM autoworker pays less than $1000 per year, Ford and Chrysler both pay less than $700 per year. They would barely notice it had been taken from their check. Yet EVEN with all the advantages of union membership other car companies employees are opting not to unionized and even employees of the big 3 don't want to be members. Why is that?

I don't understand the thought process. I think unions are very beneficial, you would have to ask a person who disagrees wirh unions as to why they don't want to belong or pay dues. Maybe, they have the believe they can do for themselves better than the union can do for them.

 

[tekkychick]

I stand corrected, it was the unions AND the CEO that Killed Hostess, each in different measure. The CEO more than the union, but the union took a stab at the company as well.

I appreciate your comment, but the unions had already given away a lot, so I blame the poor management much more than I blame the unions for this one.

At some point, one has to decide how much of a pay cut to take to cover the management mis-steps.

 

[tekkychick]

I do see in this issue a failure of women, as a political coalition, actively organizing and educating their sisters that prohibitions on womens reproductive rights by legislatures dominated by conservative males is a strike at the very core of liberty for all women. Ya'll need to get out there proactively and motivate your sisters with the knowledge that if a man controls your reproductive rights, he controls you and that you essentially have no liberty. Only those granted to you by your pater familiaris.

We have done a LOT in the last 50 years. We're still working on it. It's hard to do when the media is so controlled by men and by conservatives. But we're working on it. As I said, we need to get a lot more women in office; I don't expect to depend on men to make that happen.

 

[Damocles]

The transvaginal ultrasound can ONLY be a punishment. I have three children, I have never even seen one of these. They were NEVER used.

During my wife's second pregnancy, a much smaller version of that was used at the onset of the pregnancy, before the regular ultrasound would do (we had one every week during her pregnancy... it was awesome to see actually). This was due to her hardship during the first pregnancy and it likely saved her life.

 

[Damocles]

Like I said, the dues are not that serious. The average GM autoworker pays less than $1000 per year, Ford and Chrysler both pay less than $700 per year. They would barely notice it had been taken from their check. Yet EVEN with all the advantages of union membership other car companies employees are opting not to unionized and even employees of the big 3 don't want to be members. Why is that?

It is because they don't see the benefit they are paying for and often are forced to pay for what is essentially an arm of a political party. Basically, every three years they vote to go on strike because the Union tells them it will give them some advantage at the negotiating table, then they lose still more of their benefits while still being promised what they fully understand to be an unsustainable rate of growth in their retirement funds. Then each election year they watch their money go into the coffers of political campaigns that also produce nothing to benefit them.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

We have done a LOT in the last 50 years. We're still working on it. It's hard to do when the media is so controlled by men and by conservatives. But we're working on it. As I said, we need to get a lot more women in office; I don't expect to depend on men to make that happen.

Men can help. You need to educate them too. You are, after all, supposed to be smarter than we are. So.....enough with the excuses. You have the numbers, you have the brains......get r done!!

 

[Damocles]

This is the instrument used by doctors to shove up a woman to do an invasive ultrasound.



Aside from the fact that it's probable ten times larger than the average Republican penis, how many of the male supporters of this procedure would allow that to be shoved up their ass?

First, the one used on my wife during early pregnancy was nothing close to that large, is it antique? Nothing really to do with the thread, just realistically, they are, from what we experienced, about as thick as a finger and about a third the length of just the top of that thing.

Second, during the first eighteen years of my life, because my father had intestinal cancer, I had to go through a colonoscopy once per year. Nowadays they put you to sleep, back then they didn't. The frickin' proctologist would hold a conversation with you and ask if you wanted to look into the scope, while painfully, and gleefully I'm to understand, pumping in air that would never escape until you were in a crowded elevator. The length of the scope was far, far, far, longer than that antique.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

It is because they don't see the benefit they are paying for and often are forced to pay for what is essentially an arm of a political party. Basically, every three years they vote to go on strike because the Union tells them it will give them some advantage at the negotiating table, then they lose still more of their benefits while still being promised what they fully understand to be an unsustainable rate of growth in their retirement funds. Then each election year they watch their money go into the coffers of political campaigns that also produce nothing to benefit them.

Any more nonsense completely divorced from reality you'd like to add there Damo?

You'd have to be a moron to work for the big three and not see the value of UAW. I know my sister, the dues paying Ford worker, makes $20,000 a year more in total compensation than her Honda colleagues down the road and has better working conditions and could negotiate even more compensation for their productivity if it wasn't for those mouth breathing semi-literate southern conservatives who keep perversely undermining the labor market in this nation.

The comparison is even starker compared to Auto workers in Alabama where she earns nearly double what they do in total compensation.....but they do have Jesus, guns and abortion! They got that now!! They got what's important.

 

[Damocles]

Any more nonsense completely divorced from reality you'd like to add there Damo?

It's what they "see", Mott.

You'd have to be a moron to work for the big three and not see the value of UAW. I know my sister, the dues paying Ford worker, makes $20,000 a year more in total compensation than her Honda colleagues down the road and has better working conditions and could negotiate even more compensation for their productivity if it wasn't for those mouth breathing semi-literate southern conservatives who keep perversely undermining the labor market in this nation.

I am only pointing out what the union folk at my own company say. If you believe it isn't reality, that's cool. If I were forced to join the union I would immediately resign from it and become what they call a "donator"... They get a smaller portion of my check and if they go on strike I'm not included. I don't get to vote, but still have to pay. The smaller portion is supposedly "minus" what they give to political parties. I'm not personally anti-union, but I am against any entity that takes my money and uses it to push political beliefs that are contrary to my own.

The guys at Honda understand that actually making a profit is important to their continued employment and promises of a retirement that they'll never see don't hold much water when compared to putting food in front of their families.

 

[tekkychick]

First, the one used on my wife during early pregnancy was nothing close to that large, is it antique? Nothing really to do with the thread, just realistically, they are, from what we experienced, about as thick as a finger and about a third the length of just the top of that thing.

Second, during the first eighteen years of my life, because my father had intestinal cancer, I had to go through a colonoscopy once per year. Nowadays they put you to sleep, back then they didn't. The frickin' proctologist would hold a conversation with you and ask if you wanted to look into the scope, while painfully, and gleefully I'm to understand, pumping in air that would never escape until you were in a crowded elevator. The length of the scope was far, far, far, longer than that antique.

Now, imagine going through that NOT because of a family history of cancer; NOT because you had a risky pregnancy; but because someone decided they were going to make you go through it "just because". Not for a medical reason, but because they thought you should do it because you were doing something they didn't agree with - let's say in order to get a Viagra prescription.

 

[Damocles]

Now, imagine going through that NOT because of a family history of cancer; NOT because you had a risky pregnancy; but because someone decided they were going to make you go through it "just because". Not for a medical reason, but because they thought you should do it because you were doing something they didn't agree with - let's say in order to get a Viagra prescription.

That would make a bit more sense if I was actually speaking for the probe. I've told you before, but you apparently forgot, I believe in something a bit different than that. That post was literally a sidebar, a bit of my own personal experience with having unwanted articles stuffed up an out orifice, and information: The actually vaginal ultrasound is much, much smaller than that gargantuan thing he pictured.

I personally am against forcing women to be incubators, but also against taking life. Therefore I think we should remove the unwanted fetus and attempt to save its life. By doing so we do three things that I believe would be beneficial to society, we stop having doctors purposefully kill, take away the notion that there are only two options kill or be an incubator, and over time advance our ability to gestate ex-utero until women actually have a true choice when having children, be an incubator or incubate ex-utero...

 

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First, the one used on my wife during early pregnancy was nothing close to that large, is it antique? Nothing really to do with the thread, just realistically, they are, from what we experienced, about as thick as a finger and about a third the length of just the top of that thing.

Second, during the first eighteen years of my life, because my father had intestinal cancer, I had to go through a colonoscopy once per year. Nowadays they put you to sleep, back then they didn't. The frickin' proctologist would hold a conversation with you and ask if you wanted to look into the scope, while painfully, and gleefully I'm to understand, pumping in air that would never escape until you were in a crowded elevator. The length of the scope was far, far, far, longer than that antique.

http://uppercasewoman.com/2012/02/28/requiring-ultrasounds-for-women-seeking-abortions-sucks/

Howey's might be slightly bigger (he he), but there is an actual ultra sound wand, and you are downplaying it.

Further, they freaking hurt.

No one gives a shit about your colon problems, you are the biggest mansplainer on here. You must have missed the part about being MEDICALLY UNNECESSARY. I have had it with you. How dare you. We all go through unpleasant medical experiences. They are irrelevant to YOUR party forcing non-consenting women to be penetrated by a foreign object as punishment for accessing a legal procedure. You will do anything to cover that up. Including talking about how small it is! Well, hey, if a man with a small dick rapes a woman, let's just plead that down to a tailgating charge!

Sick. Sick. Sick.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

First, the one used on my wife during early pregnancy was nothing close to that large, is it antique? Nothing really to do with the thread, just realistically, they are, from what we experienced, about as thick as a finger and about a third the length of just the top of that thing.

Second, during the first eighteen years of my life, because my father had intestinal cancer, I had to go through a colonoscopy once per year. Nowadays they put you to sleep, back then they didn't. The frickin' proctologist would hold a conversation with you and ask if you wanted to look into the scope, while painfully, and gleefully I'm to understand, pumping in air that would never escape until you were in a crowded elevator. The length of the scope was far, far, far, longer than that antique.

Uhhhh TMI Damo and we do see your point.....in a western manly man sort of way...... but I think you're missing a pretty big point here. They didn't perform the colonoscopy against your consent.

I mean lets not pretty up the language here Damo with meaningless seguaes like this. What these States are doing is legalizing sexual assualt (i.e. rape) on women.

The very definition of Rape under Federal Law is “The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.”

By Federal definition these States have committed Rape.

 

[Damocles]

http://uppercasewoman.com/2012/02/28/requiring-ultrasounds-for-women-seeking-abortions-sucks/

Howey's might be slightly bigger (he he), but there is an actual ultra sound wand, and you are downplaying it.

Further, they freaking hurt.

No one gives a shit about your colon problems, you are the biggest mansplainer on here. You must have missed the part about being MEDICALLY UNNECESSARY. I have had it with you. How dare you. We all go through unpleasant medical experiences. They are irrelevant to YOUR party forcing non-consenting women to be penetrated by a foreign object as punishment for accessing a legal procedure. You will do anything to cover that up. Including talking about how small it is! Well, hey, if a man with a small dick rapes a woman, let's just plead that down to a tailgating charge!

Sick. Sick. Sick.

This again would make far more sense if I was actually for the probe.

And no, I'm not downplaying it.

Here is one that is slightly larger than the one I watched used on my wife:

The attempt to shock with one obviously made for a large animal veterinarian rather than one for a human doesn't really help your argument, and once it is pointed out what it is would actually harm it and give those people who want to "punish" women with ultrasounds more straw man ammunition to distract from the real argument.

 

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That would make a bit more sense if I was actually speaking for the probe. I've told you before, but you apparently forgot, I believe in something a bit different than that. That post was literally a sidebar, a bit of my own personal experience with having unwanted articles stuffed up an out orifice, and information: The actually vaginal ultrasound is much, much smaller than that gargantuan thing he pictured.

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No it's not much much smaller, it has to be long in order to reach a woman's cervix. I had to have one, and they are quite large, quite painful, and very upsetting even when medically necessary and consensual.

It was not a sidebar it was an attempt to minimize this. That is what it was. Period.

Shut up. Just shut up.

 

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This again would make far more sense if I was actually for the probe.

And no, I'm not downplaying it.

Here is one that is slightly larger than the one I watched used on my wife:

The attempt to shock with one obviously made for a large animal veterinarian rather than one for a human doesn't help your argument.

Go fuck yourself.

 

[Damocles]

Go fuck yourself.

And may you be blessed.

 

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And may you be blessed.

I am. I'm not you.

Go fuck yourself twice.