poll:who was best Pres in your lifetime

[Joe Capitalist]

Bush was incredibly irresponsible fiscally. Signing bloated spending bills, costly unnecessary wars, his VP saying that deficit spending didn't matter - if our fiscal house was in order, we would have had a downturn, not a crash.

TD is a right wing sycophant. It's obvious because he parrots the right wing talking points ad nauseum: Obama declared that he was inheriting a mess and ran on hope and change. All we got was more debt, him blaming Bush for eight years of malaise and him further dividing the nation along racial lines.

Unlike Trump, President Obama never "declared" that he "inherited a mess" and he didn't blame Bush Jr for eight years or divide the nation along racial lines. And if he did, I'd like to see the quote or video.
Maybe TD is confusing President Obama with that fucking moron Trump.

I mean, when you think about it, the statement: "Trump declared that he was inheriting a mess. All we got was more debt, him blaming Obama for eight years of malaise and him further dividing the nation along racial lines" sounds closer to the truth, don't you think?

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Why doesn't anybody mention Iran/Contra affair when discussing Reagan. That was his albatross. What a freaking stupid thing to. The worst thing a president can do besides start a war is misappropriate funds. He broke the trust of the American people.
I voted for Reagan twice and my girlfriend at the time who was a liberal lambasted me for it. After Iran/Contra, I had to admit that she was right.

Yea it almost got Reagan impeached as he certainly broke the law. That tends to be convienently forgotten by Reagan mythologist.

However Iran Contra is an excellent contrast in character compared to how Clinton and Nixon managed their constitutional crisis. Granted The Clinton-Lewinsky affair was trivial compared to Watergate and Iran-Contra but Clinton handled it like Nixon where instead of taking responsibility for his actions he blamed his political enemies and vigorously fought the investigation though he wasn’t guilty of an illegal cover up and abuse of power line Nixon his lack of character during what was essentially a trivial matter stained (no pun intended) his reputation.

Reagan, to his credit, admitted that he screwed up and had broken the law, publicly apologized for it and proactively cooperated with the Iran-Contra investigators. These sensible actions demonstrated a distinct difference in character from Reagan and Nixon/Clinton.

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

Whats an "other aspect"? Could you be a little more specific. What was "terrible?"



This is nothing more than speculative baloney. Reagan had called the Soviet Union's bluff and ramped up our defense spending and argued for a space based defense shield while calling for the Soviets to tear down the Berlin wall and wall around eastern Europe.

The Soviets could no longer keep up and were buried in debt trying to prop up their acolytes throughout the world who had similar false Marxist based economies.

Reagan cut the budget indiscriminately, but bloated it in others - he actually grew gov't & bureaucracy during his tenure. His economic policies weren't sustainable, and (like Trump's) were designed for a feel-good re-election oriented boost and not long-term prosperity.

The Soviets were buried in debt any way that you slice it - they were through when Reagan took office, it just had to become a formality.

I give Reagan high marks for public leadership and restoring confidence to the nation, but his policies were - by & large - a disaster.

 

[Truth Detector]

That’s the biggest criticism I have of Reagan. His ignoring a public health crisis of the scale and scope of AIDS, that turned into a world wide pandemic and all the human suffering that entailed, until overwhelming public pressure forced him to recognize the problem was as big a black mark on Reagan as Vietnam was for LBJ.

Reagan’s refusal to recognize the crises was unconscionable.

Aids was relatively unknown in the early 80's and to suggest that Government could have done anything about it considering it was an epidemic caused by poor personal sexual choices is moronic.

 

[LV426]

Another lie; what is wrong with you? By the way, notice how Obama is on the bottom of the economic growth chart?

Oh, it's absolutely true.



And here's Forbes:

 

[LV426]

By the way, notice how Obama is on the bottom of the economic growth chart?

Yeah, because his first two years were digging out of the recession you got us into, and then Republican obstruction hindered the rest of his term.

So if you're going to blame Obama for a weak recovery, you must blame the Conservatives who refused to do anything about it.

 

[Truth Detector]

Why doesn't anybody mention Iran/Contra affair when discussing Reagan. That was his albatross. What a freaking stupid thing to. The worst thing a president can do besides start a war is misappropriate funds. He broke the trust of the American people.
I voted for Reagan twice and my girlfriend at the time who was a liberal lambasted me for it. After Iran/Contra, I had to admit that she was right.

She was wrong, and now you are wrong. Iran Contra was another Democratic narrative that was overblown for political purposes. Had Carter not failed with Iran and allowed Americans to be taken hstage and the Democratic Congress not blocked Reagan's efforts to assist the Contra's in Nicaragua, which was his prerogative, this event would never have occurred.

Suggesting that Democrats weren't complicit in that affair is a lie and bullshit. But then, liberals love those Marxist infestations in South and Central America.

Neither found any evidence that President Reagan himself knew of the extent of the multiple programs.[4][5][7] Ultimately the sale of weapons to Iran was not deemed a criminal offense but charges were brought against five individuals for their support of the Contras. Those charges, however, were later dropped

 

[cawacko]

Yeah, because his first two years were digging out of the recession you got us into, and then Republican obstruction hindered the rest of his term.

So if you're going to blame Obama for a weak recovery, you must blame the Conservatives who refused to do anything about it.

Obama had an almost $1 trillion stimulus, passed Dodd-Frank, passed Obamacare and had three rounds of QE yet still couldn't get one year of 3% GDP growth. Yet you think he wasn't allowed enough stimulus? What exactly more would be needed?

 

[Truth Detector]

Bush was incredibly irresponsible fiscally. Signing bloated spending bills, costly unnecessary wars, his VP saying that deficit spending didn't matter - if our fiscal house was in order, we would have had a downturn, not a crash.

I see you want to pretend that 9-11 never happened on his watch and can't point to ONE single policy that led to the Mortgage collapse. Instead you want to dishonestly deflect l;ike you always seem to do.

This is obviously above your intelligence level or you are just lying and being dishonest as usual.

I have yet to find a leftist making these moronic claims show me any wars that were ever fought without deficit spending. Perhaps you can be the first.

As to your equally specious claims it was unnecessary, that is nothing more than your uneducated OPINION which 35 other nations governments and a majority on BOTH sides of the aisle in Congress did not agree with at the time. I know you armchair leftist love to play the second guess game.

The Democratic political gamesmanship during the war in the ME were despicable and displayed the ignorance the DNC loves to wallow in.

 

[Truth Detector]

Of course - you'll never hold Bush accountable for anything.

Says the guy who never holds Democrats accountable.

 

[Truth Detector]

Why did you hate Obama?

I didn't HATE Obama; why do you make shit up all the time? Is it because the truth and facts do not support your hyperbole?

Because he tried to get you health insurance, or because his election was basically a repudiation of Bush, who you put all your stock and faith in as you defended his terrible Presidency and policies?

Wrong on all counts; it was because he lacked experience, hated America and believed in Marxist Socialism which is a detriment to a free society based on liberty.

This is Obama in one of his rare honest moments:

Obama says he's not ready to be President

 

[Joe Capitalist]

Of course - you'll never hold Bush accountable for anything.

Bush Jr was responsible for the 2008 mortgage crisis and economic disaster.

Just look at the timeline:

2003: Bush Jr signs the American Dream Downpayment Act: https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2003/12/20031216-9.html

2004: The housing bubble starts. Millions of low income people buy homes they can't afford because Bush Jr pressured the banks to give them no-downpayment loans.

2007: Millions of low-income homeowners default (walk away) on their mortgages, putting pressure on banks holding the Lons.

2008: The crisis snowballs and the economy tanks.

Bush Jr: "Last year I set a goal to add 5.5 million new minority homeowners in America by the end of the decade. That is an attainable goal; that is an essential goal. And we're making progress toward that goal. In the past 18 months, more than 1 million minority families have become homeowners. (Applause.) And there's more that we can do to achieve the goal. The law I sign today will help us build on this progress in a very practical way.
Many people are able to afford a monthly mortgage payment, but are unable to make the down payment. So this legislation will authorize $200 million per year in down payment assistance to at least 40,000 low-income families. These funds will help American families achieve their goals, and at the same time, strengthen our communities."

The radicalized right wing nut jobs have their script and talking points to try to deflect the blame to past presidents like Carter and Clinton but they fall on deaf ears.
The evidence is overwhelming. Bush Jr caused the 2008 mortgage crisis and economic disaster.
Nothing can change that fact. It's written in the history books and 100 years from now, everybody will be looking back at this time and realize Bush Jr was maybe the WORST PRESIDENT of all time (but, of course, that fucking moron in the White House will have Bush Jr beat by the time he's finished).

 

[LV426]

I didn't HATE Obama; why do you make shit up all the time? Is it because the truth and facts do not support your hyperbole?

You sure seem like you hate Obama, if you're accusing him of having hatred.

He's the most level-headed non-hateful President we've had since Carter.

 

[Cypress]

Oh his legacy has always taken a bum rap. Those old enough to remember Carter is that in his 1976 campaign he had one major promise he made to the American public that got him elected. That he would not involve our nation in a foreign war against anyone who was not a clear and present danger to our national security. Primarily Carter was the first US Cold War era President to publicly reject the Dominoe Theory. He kept that promise and history proved him right in rejecting the Dominoe Theory.

For those who aren’t old enough to know what that was the Dominoe Theory was that if one nation fell to a communist insurgency then the surrounding nations would fall to communism so a threat of any nation falling to communism was a direct threat to US national security.

Good point.

Carter was also prescient on the need to wean ourselves off foreign oil, energy efficiency, and to develop alternatives. America's reliance of foreign oil has arguably been America's most significant Achilles heel.

The Camp David agreement ranks in the upper tier of presidential foreign policy accomplishments, a major achievement of diplomatic skill, and a hugely successful foreign policy accomplishment. Egypt has never attacked Israel, or vice versa, in the half century since Camp David.

But my favorite thing about Jimmy Carter was he brought a vision of moral clarity to the American presidency that no one before him had ever done. He elevated human rights and human dignity as a core value in our foreign policy. Prior to Carter, presidential foreign policy was largely based on a cynical Cold War calculation that no matter how evil a foreign leader was, as long as they were anti-communist we were going to back them to the hilt. And in that way, he ultimately changed the nature of the American presidency for all time. Ronald Reagan would have totally gotten away with covertly funding a civil war in Nicaragua, and giving tacit support to rightwing death squads in El Salvador, if Carter had not made the nation take stock of how our values and morality were intersecting with our foreign policy.

 

[Truth Detector]

TD is a right wing sycophant. It's obvious because he parrots the right wing talking points ad nauseum: Obama declared that he was inheriting a mess and ran on hope and change. All we got was more debt, him blaming Bush for eight years of malaise and him further dividing the nation along racial lines.

I guess that beats being a leftist liar on steroids who is incapable of thinking for himself and merely parrots the DNC baloney you are gullibly fed.

Unlike Trump, President Obama never "declared" that he "inherited a mess" and he didn't blame Bush Jr for eight years or divide the nation along racial lines. And if he did, I'd like to see the quote or video.
Maybe TD is confusing President Obama with that fucking moron Trump.

Apparently you wallow in an alternate universe bereft of reality and facts.

Obama: Economy I Inherited Was Contracting Worse Than Depression

I mean, when you think about it, the statement: "Trump declared that he was inheriting a mess. All we got was more debt, him blaming Obama for eight years of malaise and him further dividing the nation along racial lines" sounds closer to the truth, don't you think?

Republicans don't whine about the messes they inherit; they just fix them. Sorry you think the truth hurts and love to lie about your leftist politicians. But it just doesn't work when dealing with facts.

I do wish you were educated and intelligent enough to comprehend the obvious.

 

[LV426]

Wrong on all counts; it was because he lacked experience

Seems to have had enough experience to get re-elected. And what experience does Trump have other than running companies into the ground and cheating on his wives?

hated America

Seems that you were and are projecting your hatred of an America that repudiated your Conservatism by electing a black guy.

and believed in Marxist Socialism

Obamacare is the most non-Marxist health care reform that there could have ever been. What makes you think he believes in "Marxist Socialism" (which isn't even a thing, by the way, you just mashed two terms together because you lack any intellectual capacity).

which is a detriment to a free society based on liberty.

Now you're just word salad-ing because you're stalling.

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

I see you want to pretend that 9-11 never happened on his watch and can't point to ONE single policy that led to the Mortgage collapse. Instead you want to dishonestly deflect l;ike you always seem to do.

This is obviously above your intelligence level or you are just lying and being dishonest as usual.

I have yet to find a leftist making these moronic claims show me any wars that were ever fought without deficit spending. Perhaps you can be the first.

As to your equally specious claims it was unnecessary, that is nothing more than your uneducated OPINION which 35 other nations governments and a majority on BOTH sides of the aisle in Congress did not agree with at the time. I know you armchair leftist love to play the second guess game.

The Democratic political gamesmanship during the war in the ME were despicable and displayed the ignorance the DNC loves to wallow in.

The Iraq War was a mistake - even Trump argues that. They had nothing to do w/ 9/11. War should only be a last resort when there is a direct and immediate thread to our national security.

Poor fiscal leadership. Bush spent like crazy.

 

[Joe Capitalist]

Obama had an almost $1 trillion stimulus, passed Dodd-Frank, passed Obamacare and had three rounds of QE yet still couldn't get one year of 3% GDP growth. Yet you think he wasn't allowed enough stimulus? What exactly more would be needed?

Well, President Obama must've done something right because the S&P 500 went up 235%. I could give a flying fuck about the GDP growth. I care about my 401k and IRA and other investments and they did quite well during President Obama's eight years in office. In fact, my net worth gained so much during that time, I was able to retire five years early with a > 7-figure retirement fund. And millions of other Americans also increased their wealth significantly during President Obama's eight years in the White House. This GDP growth that the radicalized right wing nut jobs like to quack about doesn't matter to Americans. Results matter. Facts matter. And the fact is America's net worth increased by trillions during President Obama and nothing the far right can say will change that. It's inscribed in the history books forever.

God bless President Obama!!!

"https://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanvardi/2017/01/17/inside-the-obama-stock-markets-235-rise/#460d71d916d1"]https://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanvardi/2017/01/17/inside-the-obama-stock-markets-235-rise/#460d71d916d1
When Barack Obama was sworn in as the 44th president of the United States on January 20, 2009, the U.S. stock market was in free fall. The financial crisis was in full swing following the collapse of Lehman Brothers and the Standard & Poor’s 500 index, a popular measure of the U.S. stock market, closed at 805 points on Inauguration Day.
Eight years later, the S&P 500 index has risen to 2,274 points after one of the great bull runs in stock market history. With Obama as president, the U.S. stock market, as measured by the S&P 500, returned 235%, or 16.4% annualized.

 

[Truth Detector]

Reagan cut the budget indiscriminately, but bloated it in others - he actually grew gov't & bureaucracy during his tenure.

Reagan couldn't do that, only the Democratically controlled Congress run by Tipsy O'Niel can do that. I love how you leftist Socialists like to fabricate your own versions of history and ignore the fact that the then Speaker of the House declared every Reagan budget DOA on arrival.

His economic policies weren't sustainable, and (like Trump's) were designed for a feel-good re-election oriented boost and not long-term prosperity.

There you go again; making bullshit up. You do that a lot. But I am all eyes, what SPECIFIC part of Reagan's polices were unsustainable? You still haven't produced any SPECIFIC policies Bush supported that led to the mortgage collapse.

The Soviets were buried in debt any way that you slice it - they were through when Reagan took office, it just had to become a formality.

There you go again, making up your own version of history. Please provide something credible to support your moronic contention that the Soviet Union was already finished when Reagan came into office.

I give Reagan high marks for public leadership and restoring confidence to the nation, but his policies were - by & large - a disaster.

He had to; he was dealing with a hostile Democratically controlled congress led be a liar named Tipsy O'Niel. He had to solicit American public support to force them to do anything he wanted.

 

[Truth Detector]

Oh, it's absolutely true.

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And here's Forbes:

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I see you ignored the second chart. No surprise. Worst when it comes to new job creation.