poll:who was best Pres in your lifetime

[Mott the Hoople]

I agree with you. In the light of history's hindsight, Carter actually looks substantially under-rated.

Oh his legacy has always taken a bum rap. Those old enough to remember Carter is that in his 1976 campaign he had one major promise he made to the American public that got him elected. That he would not involve our nation in a foreign war against anyone who was not a clear and present danger to our national security. Primarily Carter was the first US Cold War era President to publicly reject the Dominoe Theory. He kept that promise and history proved him right in rejecting the Dominoe Theory.

For those who aren’t old enough to know what that was the Dominoe Theory was that if one nation fell to a communist insurgency then the surrounding nations would fall to communism so a threat of any nation falling to communism was a direct threat to US national security.

 

[LV426]

Because of his hatred, race-baiting and divisiveness, the left were kicked back onto the trash heap of history. So do, keep calling everyone who disagrees with your warped viewpoint "waycists". We have made ourselves heard and we didn't have to destroy property and 'protest' to do it. ithout that hateful POS Obama, we wouldn't have Trump so I should thank you.

Obama's hatred? For what? Sounds like you're the one who was full of hatred, which is why you voted for Trump.

 

[Ralph]

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/7/11/17561532/obama-best-president-trump-poll


Obama smashes it

Hillary "should have been"....using the same skewed poll numbers. Whoops! Have you idiots been taught or learned anything? If not you are pre-destined to keep up the good work in the 2018 midterms. Propaganda simply does not work when the sleeping giant known as the silent majority have been awakened by the failed policies of idiocy. If Obama was so great......why was OBAMA part 2 the Hillary redux rejected by these same people? Reason, Logic, and truth simply do not work with LIBERALISM. Obama was not rejected....THE RUSSIANS DID IT? Where was that poll taken....California, Chicago, NY? Get real. VOX? Really? Can everyone spell......MEXIFORNIA? The voice of LAIN AMERICANS...really? Of course the wet backs supported Obama overwhelmingly....Obama placed more people on the US TAX PAYROLL (welfare) than any other president in US HISTORY....hell he spent more on welfare than national defense...the 1st president to do as much. Who says that money can't buy friends? It can even purchase the souls of idiots.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

History will also prove Reagan is overrated.

In some areas certainly but there is no arguing he was the most significant US Political figure of the last quarter of the 20th Century.

The irony there is if you told someone that in 1975 they would have laughed at you until they peed themselves and would have questioned your sanity. Until around 1978 Reagan was the biggest joke in American politics. That’s not partisan sniping either. That’s a cold hard fact. No one took Reagan seriously until around 1978.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

I agree with you 100 percent on Bedtime for Bonzo.

I actually think there has been a rightwing cottage industry dedicated to creating and maintaining a heroic mythology about Bonzo. A mythology that does not reflect reality.

You can’t deny his popularity though. No national political figure in the US was as popular as Reagan dating back to FDR.

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

You can’t deny his popularity though. No national political figure in the US was as popular as Reagan dating back to FDR.

Reagan was better than anyone at perception & building the morale of the country - and that's no small thing. He made people believe again...the whole "shining city on the hill" thing. He was great at that.

He was just terrible at almost every other aspect, and his biggest "accomplishment" - ending the Cold War - was inevitable no matter who was Prez because the Soviets had been collapsing from within for over a decade.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

I'd love to hear why you believe that. He's been out of office for almost 30 years so what do you think will be looked differently upon what he did in the future that hasn't been looked at already today?

You’re right. Her grammar was poor. History has proven Reagan was over rated. He was no great President (don’t get me wrong he wasn’t a bad one either) and there hasn’t been one in my lifetime. Was he hugely popular? No arguing that. Over rated? Without a doubt if you consider him a great President in the ranks of Washington, Lincoln or FDR.

 

[Ralph]

You’re right. Her grammar was poor. History has proven Reagan was over rated. He was no great President (don’t get me wrong he wasn’t a bad one either) and there hasn’t been one in my lifetime. Was he hugely popular? No arguing that. Over rated? Without a doubt if you consider him a great President in the ranks of Washington, Lincoln or FDR.

FDR? The bigot who is best remembered for his NEW communist Deal by overloading the SCOTUS with liberals in order to bypass the legislative branch.....not to mention the fact he actually imprisoned US CITIZENS because of their skin color and race. Yep....a real American Hero who reigned over the entire length of the greatest depression to ever hit the US ECONOMY. The Big LIE.....FDR ended the depression with his socialist policies. Truth: The Industrial Military Complex and US INDUSTRY, thanks to the need for war machines ended the Great Depression.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

It's 30 years since he left office and people still reference the Reagan Revolution. For starters look at the GDP growth he had and compare to any democratic or republican president before him or after.

You’re conflating popularity with accomplishments. You’re also wrong on his record of economic growth. Kennedy and Clinton averaged greater economic growth by GDP than Reagan and LBJ blows Reagan out of the water. Reagan did slightly better than Jimmy Carter by a few tenths of a percentage point.

Unlike you I came of age under Reagan and the Reagan economy may have been great for the investor class but for working class people and young people coming out of college it blew chunks as both job growth and wages were still stagnant and didn’t really start to grow until around 1992 when the economy began to take off.

https://www.hudson.org/research/12714-economic-growth-by-president

 

[PostmodernProphet]

One of the main reasons why Carter has been vilified is that many Souhern Conservatives view Carter, as they do Clinton, as an apostate to traditional Souhern Conservativism.

I'm sure his economic policies had nothing to do with it, right?.......

 

[Truth Detector]

He gave me 5 grand towards a new car for my POS and saved the global economy and restored a half million of real estate equity to me that Bush stole.

What a massive pile of malarkey. Liberals are quite full of that.

 

[LV426]

Reagan was better than anyone at perception & building the morale of the country - and that's no small thing. He made people believe again...the whole "shining city on the hill" thing. He was great at that. He was just terrible at almost every other aspect, and his biggest "accomplishment" - ending the Cold War - was inevitable no matter who was Prez because the Soviets had been collapsing from within for over a decade.

And the Soviet Union didn't collapse until after Reagan left office.

Berlin Wall didn't come down until after Reagan left office.

So why is Reagan getting credit for winning anything?

 

[LV426]

I'm sure his economic policies had nothing to do with it, right?.......

Carter had better job growth over his four years than every Conservative President since.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Republicans and Democrats are always going to view Reagan different. It is what it is. Economic growth is a major part of a President's record so I understand you want to downplay it considering how poor Obama's was and how good Reagan's was. As you well know Reagan took over during a major recession and a period of "economic malaise". America had lost faith in itself and Reagan played a major role in bringing that faith back. It's easy to pooh pooh it now but anyone who lived through it remembers it. And Reagan was a major player in the ending of the Cold War. I understand to liberals he was a crazy war monger who almost blew up the planet but the results speak for themselves. That was leadership. That's why he's one of the greatest.

However we could argue until we're blue in the face and we're not going to change each other's minds about him which is fine. It is what it is.

Well that’s why Reagan was over rated. You’re remembering all these mythologies about Reagan’s economic record when, in fact, his record was a little bit better than average. He didn’t exactly suck on the economy but he was no fucking LBJ either.

 

[LV426]

Truth: The Industrial Military Complex and US INDUSTRY, thanks to the need for war machines ended the Great Depression.

Which was only made possible by massive government spending and borrowing.

Defense spending is still socialism.

 

[LV426]

Well that’s why Reagan was over rated. You’re remembering all these mythologies about Reagan’s economic record when, in fact, his record was a little bit better than average. He didn’t exactly suck on the economy but he was no fucking LBJ either.

The S&L Scandal is what Reagan's economy should be remembered for, just as the subprime bubble is what Bush the Dumber should be remembered for.

In both cases you had supremely unqualified Conservatives inflating and creating debt bubbles to give the impression the economy was growing thanks to their fiscal policies, when it was really growing as a result of debt.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Well that’s why Reagan was over rated. You’re remembering all these mythologies about Reagan’s economic record when, in fact, his record was a little bit better than average. He didn’t exactly suck on the economy but he was no fucking LBJ either.

sorry, but I consider all the presidents who won 49 out of 50 states to be great presidents, regardless of what some idiot from Ohio thinks of their record about anything........

 

[Ralph]

Which was only made possible by massive government spending and borrowing.

Defense spending is still socialism.

Which was only made possible by WAR MONERING.....just like the progressives did in the 1st great war......and every other war in US HISTORY....look, you will see a progressive democrat looking back at you in every war in US HISTORY save the 1st revolution. The democrats defended slavery, was against civil rights and women voting, minorities voting.....Wilson (the 1st WW warmonger....brought us JIM CROW at the federal level). The point being......it was WAR that ended the great depression that could not be ended by borrowing and spending alone as demonstrated over a decade of trying.

Just look at TODAY. Who is beating the war drums with Russia? Socialism is EVIL. Progressives are more than willing that others die in order to retain their political power.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Do you remember when he said trees create more pollution than automobiles?

He borrowed money from SS that was never paid back.

He probably had one of the most corrupt administrations in history, but Trump’s may outdo his.

He ignored AIDS

That’s the biggest criticism I have of Reagan. His ignoring a public health crisis of the scale and scope of AIDS, that turned into a world wide pandemic and all the human suffering that entailed, until overwhelming public pressure forced him to recognize the problem was as big a black mark on Reagan as Vietnam was for LBJ.

Reagan’s refusal to recognize the crises was unconscionable.

 

[Joe Capitalist]

You’re conflating popularity with accomplishments. You’re also wrong on his record of economic growth. Kennedy and Clinton averaged greater economic growth by GDP than Reagan and LBJ blows Reagan out of the water. Reagan did slightly better than Jimmy Carter by a few tenths of a percentage point.

Unlike you I came of age under Reagan and the Reagan economy may have been great for the investor class but for working class people and young people coming out of college it blew chunks as both job growth and wages were still stagnant and didn’t really start to grow until around 1992 when the economy began to take off.

https://www.hudson.org/research/12714-economic-growth-by-president

Why doesn't anybody mention Iran/Contra affair when discussing Reagan. That was his albatross. What a freaking stupid thing to. The worst thing a president can do besides start a war is misappropriate funds. He broke the trust of the American people.
I voted for Reagan twice and my girlfriend at the time who was a liberal lambasted me for it. After Iran/Contra, I had to admit that she was right.