poll:who was best Pres in your lifetime

Phantasmal said:
History will also prove Reagan is overrated.
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I'd love to hear why you believe that. He's been out of office for almost 30 years so what do you think will be looked differently upon what he did in the future that hasn't been looked at already today?
 
Cypress said:
I agree with you 100 percent on Bedtime for Bonzo.

I actually think there has been a rightwing cottage industry dedicated to creating and maintaining a heroic mythology about Bonzo. A mythology that does not reflect reality.
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It's 30 years since he left office and people still reference the Reagan Revolution. For starters look at the GDP growth he had and compare to any democratic or republican president before him or after.
 
cawacko said:
It's 30 years since he left office and people still reference the Reagan Revolution. For starters look at the GDP growth he had and compare to any democratic or republican president before him or after.
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Historical greatness in presidents is not determined by what the GDP percentage was in the third quarter of their final year in office.

Presidential greatness is defined by profound acts of leadership in the face of great crises, by how they deal with great moral challenges, and/or how they are remembered for their contributions to the advancement of democracy, equality, and human progress.

Obama is always going to be remembered for walking into office at a time of great peril, and saving us from a Second Great Republican Depression.

FDR is remembered for saving capitalism from a downward trajectory into chaos, and for saving western liberal democracy from the forces of rightwing fascism.

JFK stopped a nuclear war from happening by remarkable diplomatic skill and sheer foresight.

George Dumbya will be remembered for blundering us into two failed wars, and taking us right to the precipice of another Great Republican Depression.

Reagan, in my opinion, is going to be remembered for breaking the law, violating his constitutional oath of office, illegally selling high tech American weapons to Iran, caving to terrorists, undermining democracy, and elevating thinly-disguised racism and bigotry as a core value of the Republican Party.
 
Cypress said:
Historical greatness in presidents is not determined by what the GDP percentage was in the third quarter of their final year in office.

Presidential greatness is defined by profound acts of leadership in the face of great crises, by how they deal with great moral challenges, and/or how they are remembered for their contributions to the advancement of democracy, equality, and human progress.

Obama is always going to be remembered for walking into office at a time of great peril, and saving us from a Second Great Republican Depression.

FDR is remembered for saving capitalism from a downward trajectory into chaos, and for saving western liberal democracy from the forces of rightwing fascism.

JFK stopped a nuclear war from happening by remarkable diplomatic skill and sheer foresight.

George Dumbya will be remembered for blundering us into two failed wars, and taking us right to the precipice of another Great Republican Depression.

Reagan, in my opinion, is going to be remembered for breaking the law, violating his constitutional oath of office, illegally selling high tech American weapons to Iran, caving to terrorists, undermining democracy, and elevating thinly-disguised racism and bigotry as a core value of the Republican Party.
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Republicans and Democrats are always going to view Reagan different. It is what it is. Economic growth is a major part of a President's record so I understand you want to downplay it considering how poor Obama's was and how good Reagan's was. As you well know Reagan took over during a major recession and a period of "economic malaise". America had lost faith in itself and Reagan played a major role in bringing that faith back. It's easy to pooh pooh it now but anyone who lived through it remembers it. And Reagan was a major player in the ending of the Cold War. I understand to liberals he was a crazy war monger who almost blew up the planet but the results speak for themselves. That was leadership. That's why he's one of the greatest.

However we could argue until we're blue in the face and we're not going to change each other's minds about him which is fine. It is what it is.
 
Cypress said:
Historical greatness in presidents is not determined by what the GDP percentage was in the third quarter of their final year in office.

Presidential greatness is defined by profound acts of leadership in the face of great crises, by how they deal with great moral challenges, and/or how they are remembered for their contributions to the advancement of democracy, equality, and human progress.

Obama is always going to be remembered for walking into office at a time of great peril, and saving us from a Second Great Republican Depression.

FDR is remembered for saving capitalism from a downward trajectory into chaos, and for saving western liberal democracy from the forces of rightwing fascism.

JFK stopped a nuclear war from happening by remarkable diplomatic skill and sheer foresight.

George Dumbya will be remembered for blundering us into two failed wars, and taking us right to the precipice of another Great Republican Depression.

Reagan, in my opinion, is going to be remembered for breaking the law, violating his constitutional oath of office, illegally selling high tech American weapons to Iran, caving to terrorists, undermining democracy, and elevating thinly-disguised racism and bigotry as a core value of the Republican Party.
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Do you remember when he said trees create more pollution than automobiles?

He borrowed money from SS that was never paid back.

He probably had one of the most corrupt administrations in history, but Trump’s may outdo his.

He ignored AIDS
 
Phantasmal said:
Do you remember when he said trees create more pollution than automobiles?

He borrowed money from SS that was never paid back.

He probably had one of the most corrupt administrations in history, but Trump’s may outdo his.

He ignored AIDS
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Oh yes, I remember all of that.

He was our first dim-wit president, the precursor to Trump sort of.

Full disclosure: I did cast a vote for Reagan. But older and wiser now.

Yes, Bonzo's administration was incredibly corrupt, and Reagan really should have been impeached and put in jail. They learned from Nixon's mistakes, and his underlings gave him plausible deniability.
 
Cypress said:
Historical greatness in presidents is not determined by what the GDP percentage was in the third quarter of their final year in office.

Presidential greatness is defined by profound acts of leadership in the face of great crises, by how they deal with great moral challenges, and/or how they are remembered for their contributions to the advancement of democracy, equality, and human progress.

Obama is always going to be remembered for walking into office at a time of great peril, and saving us from a Second Great Republican Depression.

FDR is remembered for saving capitalism from a downward trajectory into chaos, and for saving western liberal democracy from the forces of rightwing fascism.

JFK stopped a nuclear war from happening by remarkable diplomatic skill and sheer foresight.

George Dumbya will be remembered for blundering us into two failed wars, and taking us right to the precipice of another Great Republican Depression.

Reagan, in my opinion, is going to be remembered for breaking the law, violating his constitutional oath of office, illegally selling high tech American weapons to Iran, caving to terrorists, undermining democracy, and elevating thinly-disguised racism and bigotry as a core value of the Republican Party.
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Rewrite history much?
 
cawacko said:
The question was who was the best President in your lifetime. Anyone 28 years old or younger wasn't alive when Reagan was President. Those in their mid to late 30's would have no memory of him. So basically this question was about three Presidents. Reagan will stand the test of time.
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This is what I was thinking when I saw this poll. I'm 38 and I couldn't remember much through Clinton's first term. Even most of his second term my opinions were shaped largely by my parents and other adults, so basically I've got a big old bag of shit to choose from based on the two presidents that have completed their terms.
 
Dirt McGirt said:
This is what I was thinking when I saw this poll. I'm 38 and I couldn't remember much through Clinton's first term. Even most of his second term my opinions were shaped largely by my parents and other adults, so basically I've got a big old bag of shit to choose from based on the two presidents that have completed their terms.
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This is why this is a bogus poll based on a bogus question
 
yea so right now at this point in time it's Reagan hands down,

but Trump is only a little over a year and a half in and he is on pace to certainly become one of the greatest in terms of accomplishments.
I think his vision of bringing back American jobs that actually produce goods alone will set him apart if he can pull it off.
We are in danger of being left out of the game if we continue on this path of competing with countries already poised in technology with cheaper labor and set up costs across the board, stealing our intellectual properties out from under us is on Trumps radar too.

Couple that with we may finally close our southern border, reign in the abuse of our social programs, building the military back up after being nearly depleted from two endless wars, the new tax structure, ISIS has been all but rendered nothing more than a nuscience, he is bringing peace on the Korean peninsula.
And history, should all of this go as it looks like it may will also record it was done with constant obstruction and battering from half of his own country and main stream media. And don't forget he just bitch slapped NATO to put up their fair share.
Trump is a rock star, much like Reagan in his calmness under fire.
 
evince said:
Pew asked respondents to name the president who had done the best job in their lifetimes and combined their first and second responses. Obama was rated the best president with 31 percent and second choice by 13 percent, giving him a grand total of 44 percent.
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What did they do, ask people between 2 and 10 years old born in late 2008?
 
Getin the ring said:
Obama? :rofl2:

What a joke

He is undoubtedly one of the more useless.

Why don't you explain to us in trailer language a few of Obama's great accomplishments
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Can you imagine if Trump did for the economy what Obama did after taking over when it was spiraling downward, after the biggest crash in decades?

Tripling the stock market, bringing the unemployment rate back to where we were just a few months from full employment when he left office, creating millions of jobs, a near-record # of quarters in a row where the economy grew, saving the auto industry - if that was Trump, there would be 24x7 tweetstorms where he proclaimed himself the greatest leader in the history of mankind.
 
Eisenhower was not in my lifetime, but he is the only person on that list I would even remotely consider choosing. All the Presidents in my lifetime pretty much sucked honestly.
 
cawacko said:
I'd love to hear why you believe that. He's been out of office for almost 30 years so what do you think will be looked differently upon what he did in the future that hasn't been looked at already today?
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He's a fraud, cheat, thief and a racist piece of shit like the rest of the racist white men in the republican party.
 
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