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No, the left wing morons are the ones that consistently lie about Reagan because they have not had a President since FDR that could rival him.
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No, the left wing morons are the ones that consistently lie about Reagan because they have not had a President since FDR that could rival him.
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You are a vile piece of shit Desh. That has been proven as FACT by you.
you lie on a daily basis. You have lied in this thread. you are a fucking moron Desh. Deal with it.
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Both left wing and right wing morons lie about past presidents. It makes them feel better about being 100% partisan for their party. I voted for Reagan twice but, after Iran/Contra, I regretted my decision. The right is going to tell you how Reagan caused the collapse of the Soviet Union but there's evidence to the contrary. I worked at the Pentagon in 1981 and heard a seminar from a gentleman who was considered the top expert on the Soviet Union at the time. He said back then that the USSR was on the brink of economic collapse and was inevitable. It was only a matter of time. He said this in 1981. And he was right. Reagan had little to do with it. The USSR would've collapsed regardless of who was in the White House.
But those who want to believe Reagan was the reason will continue to believe it because their suffering from Cognitive Dissonance.
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So you admit you lied again?
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Well, you guys hate to admit it, but the stimulus worked - it was the measure that was needed to stop the freefall & get things growing again.
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I agree that it was likely going to happen regardless. But the pressure brought on the Soviets by the Pope, Thatcher and Reagan most certainly expedited the collapse. Reagan recognizing a potential partner in Gorbachev was a positive for both countries. Reagan was certainly not perfect, but he provided hope to the American people at a time that the US was going through major economic pain with double digit inflation and interest rates in conjunction with high unemployment.
Volcker and Reagan made the tough choice to raise rates to kill inflation. Knowing it would cause a short term recession. Republicans paid dearly in 82 for that in the house and Senate. But it worked. We then enjoyed an economic boom from 1983-2000.
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the market was bottoming out prior to the stimulus. I do agree it was needed and it helped to begin the recovery. But the overspending in subsequent years was vastly wasteful. The economic recovery under Obama was one of the slowest and weakest. The vast amounts of regulations imposed by Obama admin hurt our recovery potential.
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but it goes deeper than that with Liberals,
Someone actually had the lack of awareness to claim Obama should be listed as one of the best, they roll out that he pulled us out of the second great recession.
Then are unable to cite a policy that was responsible for that.
I cited multiple reasons why the economy is doing well directly related to Trump policy
You even said Regan wasn't responsible for ending the cold war because it was happening before he got there, and Trump can not be credited for the booming economy because it was happening before he got there.
you see where I'm going with this? It's hard to take liberals seriously, their logic is clown like
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what stimulus?
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You're joking, right?
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stop it, the "stimulus" was the biggest waste of money and only sent us down the poor house road even further and faster than anyone could have imagined.
Whats the proudest part for you, "Solyndra"
the monies that went to states that were bankrupt, that they used to cover their fiscal irresponsibility
Or was it the broadband debacle?
come on man. go read, this is what I do, do not get in this argument with me
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stop it, the "stimulus" was the biggest waste of money and only sent us down the poor house road even further and faster than anyone could have imagined.
Whats the proudest part for you, "Solyndra"
the monies that went to states that were bankrupt, that they used to cover their fiscal irresponsibility
Or was it the broadband debacle?
come on man. go read, this is what I do, do not get in this argument with me
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Sorry - you clearly don't understand what the stimulus accomplished. You also seem to have a very limited understanding of economics in general.
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"This is what I do." Yikes.
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yea, I read you fu@kin nut-bag, suggest you do the same.
the 800 billion "stimulus" was a waste of money. Even the staunchest of defenders, real defenders , not triggered nut-bags on a forum, are reduced to saying it "saved" jobs, not created. which is quite a stretch for justifying 800 billion dollars.
I cited Solyndra, I cited the broadband debacle, I cited the states wasting most of their monies on bankrolling their bankruptcy due to fiscal irresponsibility, I'll cite the CBO report that a 100 billion of it was lost to waste and fraud, that unemployment continued up for 3 years after the "stimulus", we as a country were 10 trillion more in debt when Obama left office than we were when he got there. the "stimulus" was throw money at a problem, that's not a policy, anyone could have done that. ya think? It's like taking a credit card and saying "here, go fix what you need to fix, whatever it takes, pay the other credit cards off, clean energy ideas, go for it, it's on the card".
And then the idiot put regulations on companies that killed the jobs he was trying to create. Obama did not know what he was doing, it wasn't his fault it was the affirmative action campaign that put him in that position.
and I've yet to hear one lasting good thing from a liberal that the "stimulus" did
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Aside from the pointlessness of this thread, I guess you missed this pertinent statement by PEW:
Not yet halfway through his term, 19% say Donald Trump has done the best or second best job of any president of their lifetimes. That is comparable with the share who viewed Obama as one of the best presidents in 2011 (20%).
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Well, as long as you're citing the CBO, you can reference the 3 million jobs that the CBO reported that it saved AND created (not just "saved", though that stat is equally as important). And you can cite the economists and investors who affirm that without it, the economy would have kept spiraling downward.
The stimulus turned things around. It wasn't responsible for all of the recovery, but it paved the way for the private sector to take over and gave investors and employers confidence again. The proof is in the results - again, the stock market tripled and we were less than 1% away from full employment by the time Obama left office.
Trump is also creating huge debt, but I don't hear you whining about that.
You just hate giving Democrats - and specifically Obama - any credit. Like I said, if Trump had the kind of results Obama had in terms of stock market growth, consecutive quarters of job creation, almost achieving full employment - after the huge Bush crash - we wouldn't hear the end of it.