JESUS IS NOT GOD DEBATE

PostmodernProphet said:
the fact you deny it simply doesn't change theology.....
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The fact that true Bible scholars who don't make money supporting the lies, will tell you. It's all bullshit!

What the Trinitarians have done is take 5 verses(give or take) that sort of hint He is GOD and disregard the hundreds that hint or say straight up, He is not. This is a tactic the brainwashers use. Many times having followers repeat verses out of context till the idiot followers believe what the deceivers want them to believe.

I'm still waiting for you to address the verses I posted that clearly state He is not GOD! Are you being deceitful by avoiding it like a good little wolf in sheep's clothing?
 
wiseones2cents said:
It's not possible! GOD CANNOT have two separate wills! Every being only has ONE will. His/her will can be influenced by other wills, though they only have ONE WILL! Again, address the Scripture I presented!
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I expect, unless you find another example of a deity incarnating as a human, you won't see another example......the scripture is accurate.....Jesus will WAS separate from that of the Father.....it had to be, or there was no reason to bother with an incarnation.....

God had a will....he was not a human.....he incarnated as a human and in that person had free will....the ability to obey or disobey....it is true his will could be influenced.....even Satan realized that when he tried to tempt him.....but he did not choose disobedience, even when the result was the cross......in making that choice his will paralleled that of the Father, but it remained his choice.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
do you mean
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+1

he was the first to rise from death.....
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Really? How about this guy?

1 Kings 17:17-22

New American Standard Bible (NASB)
Elijah Raises the Widow’s Son

17 Now it came about after these things that the son of the woman, the mistress of the house, became sick; and his sickness was so severe that there was no breath left in him. 18 So she said to Elijah, “What do I have to do with you, O man of God? [a]You have come to me to bring my iniquity to remembrance and to put my son to death!” 19 He said to her, “Give me your son.” Then he took him from her bosom and carried him up to the upper room where he was living, and laid him on his own bed. 20 He called to the Lord and said, “O Lord my God, have You also brought calamity to the widow with whom I am staying, by causing her son to die?” 21 Then he stretched himself upon the child three times, and called to the Lord and said, “O Lord my God, I pray You, let this child’s life return to him.” 22 The Lord heard the voice of Elijah, and the life of the child returned to him and he revived.

And why didn't you address the second verse that states He was the FIRSTBORN of all creation? Your answers seem deceiving to me. :)
 
wiseones2cents said:
He still the firstborn!! Which mean there was a time He did not exist! LOL LAME APOLOGETICS AT ITS WORST! LOL
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actually no......the passage clearly states "all things have been created through him and for him"....he was the creator.....

remember when you said no apostle claimed Jesus was God and I mentioned John....
John1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.

see the parallel between the verses regarding things being created through him?......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
that guy was raised.....so was Lazarus......Jesus was the first to raise himself.....
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ROTFLOL!!! These Apologetics keep digging themselves into a bigger and bigger whole! If Jesus is GOD and GOD cant die, how could GOD resurrect HIMSELF? ROTFLOL!!!

Show me Scripture that States Jesus raised Himself. I can show you Scripture stating that Jesus said, FATHER, FATHER, WHY HAVE YOU ABANDONED ME! Now if He could raise Himself? What was the problem?lol
 
PostmodernProphet said:
that simply isn't true....the gospel of John is entirely directed at making the claim that Jesus was in fact God......
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BULLSHIT!

John 5:41 JESUS DOES NOT SEEK WORSHIP FROM MAN,BUT FROM GOD

Ummmmm if Jesus was GOD, then He would surely seek worship from man. :)

In the book of John it clearly states that GOD TAUGHT Jesus. Now why would GOD have to teach GOD(Jesus) anything?lol

John 7:16 So Jesus answered them and said, “My teaching is not Mine, but His who sent Me.

In the Book of John it still states NO ONE has seen the FATHER! If Jesus was GOD they would have acknowledged it!

That's only the tip of the iceberg. I'm just sparring right now. lol
 
wiseones2cents said:
ROTFLOL!!! These Apologetics keep digging themselves into a bigger and bigger whole! If Jesus is GOD and GOD cant die, how could GOD resurrect HIMSELF? ROTFLOL!!!
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Jesus was human.....he could die......Jesus was God, he could resurrect himself.....this really isn't complicated you know.....

Show me Scripture that States Jesus raised Himself.
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???...how about Mark 16:6
But he has risen! He is not here!
 
wiseones2cents said:
BULLSHIT!

John 5:41 JESUS DOES NOT SEEK WORSHIP FROM MAN,BUT FROM GOD
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that passage says nothing about Jesus seeking worship from God....
41 “I do not accept glory from human beings, 42 but I know you. I know that you do not have the love of God in your hearts. 43 I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him. 44 How can you believe since you accept glory from one another but do not seek the glory that comes from the only God[d]?
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PostmodernProphet said:
I expect, unless you find another example of a deity incarnating as a human, you won't see another example......the scripture is accurate.....Jesus will WAS separate from that of the Father.....it had to be, or there was no reason to bother with an incarnation.....
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IDIOT ALERT!!!!! If I make a copy of me and he has a different will? Guess what? He's not me.lol He make look like me but he's not me. :)

God had a will....he was not a human.....he incarnated as a human and in that person had free will....the ability to obey or disobey....it is true his will could be influenced.....even Satan realized that when he tried to tempt him.....but he did not choose disobedience, even when the result was the cross......in making that choice his will paralleled that of the Father, but it remained his choice.....
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How can GOD disobey himself?lol Why would he want to? HE's all knowing! HE cant make a wrong Judgment. Yet Moses had to convince "GOD" to spare the Israelites? The god of the jews doesn't sound all knowing.lol

If Jesus is GOD and satan knows GOD, why would satan offer something to GOD, that HE already owns?lol Makes no sense.

Sorry but none of your nonsense adds up. If Jesus was GOD He wouldn't have felt fear, but He did and the Angels had to come and encourage(Lift up His Spirit) Him.
 
wiseones2cents said:
In the book of John it clearly states that GOD TAUGHT Jesus. Now why would GOD have to teach GOD(Jesus) anything?lol

John 7:16 So Jesus answered them and said, “My teaching is not Mine, but His who sent Me.
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that passage does not say that God taught Jesus, it says that what Jesus is teaching them is God's teaching....which is logical, since he was God....
 
wiseones2cents said:
Yawn the sign of a defeated opponent. Results to insults with no real counter reply. ROTFLOL!!!

My arguments are sound and backed by Scripture AND logic! Your arguments are backed by nonsense and delusions.lol
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I didn't insult you.....I just pointed out that so far, all your arguments have been in error......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
actually no......the passage clearly states "all things have been created through him and for him"....he was the creator.....

remember when you said no apostle claimed Jesus was God and I mentioned John....
John1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.

see the parallel between the verses regarding things being created through him?......
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WRONG! I already explained what those versus mean. It's a stretch. They cant even confirm it was John the Apostle that wrote it. Even so, the verses later on in the book make it clear the author did not think Jesus was GOD, making your interpretation faulty.

AGAIN! WHY WAS THE WORD "FIRSTBORN" USED!
 
wiseones2cents said:
IDIOT ALERT!!!!! If I make a copy of me and he has a different will? Guess what? He's not me.lol He make look like me but he's not me. :)
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let me know when you make that copy....we will test it....



How can GOD disobey himself?lol Why would he want to? HE's all knowing! HE cant make a wrong Judgment.
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fortunately for us, he didn't.....otherwise, salvation wouldn't have worked.....
 
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