In America the voters are led to believe that they are free to choose their leaders

Looks like LV426 is getting his ass kicked...again, with his own fucking stupidity. If it was not so common it might be funny.
 
LV426 said:
Yes, I completely agree that the DNC sucks and that establishment democrats suck.

But they aren't even in the same league of suckiness as Conservatism is.

So, first thing's first. In order to get the big, systemic change we need, we have to expunge Conservatism as a viable and legitimate political ideology. We can only do that by flushing them away at the polls.

So that's why this is an all-hands-on-deck election.

We can't get Medicare for All if there is a viable Republican Party that still wields any political influence.

They have to be annihilated and humiliated; Conservatism needs to become more toxic a belief system than any other. We accomplish that by kicking the ever loving shit out of it at the polls. So there's common cause with the DNC and Biden in that regard, and we should ally ourselves in that effort because getting Biden and Co. to change is a much easier prospect if there's no Conservatives left with whom they can triangulate us.
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I totally agree with your assessment but I will not vote for Biden or any that the DNC ram down our collective throats. And here's why...I have no faith that Biden can make it to the finish line. As much of a moron that Trump is, he still will obliterate Biden and the DNC does not care because nothing changes for them in their bubble world regardless of who wins. But they will subject the rest of us to non-stop BURISMA propaganda coverage and the rest of Biden's baggage for the duration. I refuse to participate in their game. Biden does suck as a candidate and it's because of him and the rest of the establishment Dems that we have a Trump. Not one of those turds EVER talks about campaign finance reform and we know why. I held my nose and voted for Hillary the last time but I will not toe the party line again. As I said...I will continue to support Progressive candidates and policy but I am not voting for anyone who is a corporate tool. NO WAY!!!
 
LV426 said:
I agree to an extent.

But we can't change the system if Conservatives control it.

So first thing's first...expunge Conservatives and I think the problem might take care of itself.
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we can start by expunging the one's in the dem party
 
LV426 said:
But you couldn't have won without them.

So it's not the winning party they follow...
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LV426 said:
Right here: https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...to-choose-their-leaders&p=3519787#post3519787

Then you said nothing.

Then suddenly your sock account appeared.

Then after calling out your sock account, that one disappeared and Southern Chicken re-appeared.

You expect me to believe you're two different people?
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I wasnt going to interrupt your conversation with the angry weave queen. I am not worried about Trump losing the election. Like I said it is going fun to read your epic breakdown after the election.
 
LV426 said:
Yes, I completely agree that the DNC sucks and that establishment democrats suck.

But they aren't even in the same league of suckiness as Conservatism is.

So, first thing's first. In order to get the big, systemic change we need, we have to expunge Conservatism as a viable and legitimate political ideology. We can only do that by flushing them away at the polls.

So that's why this is an all-hands-on-deck election.

We can't get Medicare for All if there is a viable Republican Party that still wields any political influence.

They have to be annihilated and humiliated; Conservatism needs to become more toxic a belief system than any other. We accomplish that by kicking the ever loving shit out of it at the polls. So there's common cause with the DNC and Biden in that regard, and we should ally ourselves in that effort because getting Biden and Co. to change is a much easier prospect if there's no Conservatives left with whom they can triangulate us.
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Neither Biden or the other moderates in the party wanted M4A. They need to go and take the moderate supporters with them.
 
Southern Chicken said:
They follow the winning party to get attention. They supported Obama,too.
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This is the funniest shit I've heard all day.

You win the internet today!
 
Ive gotta admit. Lefty tears are quite delicious. Very fruity :awesome:, with just a hint of saltiness.
 
LV426 said:
I'm with ya, but here's the thing...

Biden didn't have any money, ran virtually no ads, had virtually no campaign infrastructure, didn't even have a clear message, but leaned on endorsements and the privilege of being Obama's VP to connect with the Democratic base (black voters) and that was enough for those voters to make their choice at the last moment. I can't fault the DNC for that. They didn't play a part in Biden's surge on Tuesday, as much as I want to believe they did.

Fact of the matter is that turnout is up not because of Sanders or Biden, but because Democratic voters have been motivated by Trump to come out to the polls. While I think Biden is a weaker candidate on paper than Sanders or Warren, I don't think it matters at this point who the nominee is because Democrats are going to turn out the vote in November 2020, just like they did November 2019 and November 2018.

So my optimistic side looks at the turnout numbers so far and feels real encouraged that we can expunge Trump and the Senate GOP Majority.

So I'll vote for Biden in November, but I'm deeply skeptical that he truly earned it.

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How did the DNC force primary voters to vote for Biden? The results were about the same as the polls. Attributing Biden's wins to conspiracy theories and cheating is just an excuse for losing. How do you know those were not the accurate results?
 
LV426 said:
I'm with ya, but here's the thing...

Biden didn't have any money, ran virtually no ads, had virtually no campaign infrastructure, didn't even have a clear message, but leaned on endorsements and the privilege of being Obama's VP to connect with the Democratic base (black voters) and that was enough for those voters to make their choice at the last moment. I can't fault the DNC for that. They didn't play a part in Biden's surge on Tuesday, as much as I want to believe they did.

Fact of the matter is that turnout is up not because of Sanders or Biden, but because Democratic voters have been motivated by Trump to come out to the polls. While I think Biden is a weaker candidate on paper than Sanders or Warren, I don't think it matters at this point who the nominee is because Democrats are going to turn out the vote in November 2020, just like they did November 2019 and November 2018.

So my optimistic side looks at the turnout numbers so far and feels real encouraged that we can expunge Trump and the Senate GOP Majority.

So I'll vote for Biden in November, but I'm deeply skeptical that he truly earned it.

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Well, here’s another thing lol.

Democrats won’t get rid of their establishment by playing the establishment’s game. They *want you* to fall in line behind Biden. You can’t rid yourself of the Democrat establishment by being a good establishment foot soldier. By being obedient you’re only serving to propagate the status quo.

Biden sucks and everyone knows it. The only reason he’s at the top is because two of his closest competitors dropped out right before Super Tuesday and endorsed him. The DNC metaphorically bent Bernie and his supporters over and had their way with them. And not for the first time.

I have no respect for a Bernie supporter who backs Biden. Regardless of the reason.
 
Cinnabar said:
I totally agree with your assessment but I will not vote for Biden or any that the DNC ram down our collective throats. And here's why...I have no faith that Biden can make it to the finish line. As much of a moron that Trump is, he still will obliterate Biden and the DNC does not care because nothing changes for them in their bubble world regardless of who wins. But they will subject the rest of us to non-stop BURISMA propaganda coverage and the rest of Biden's baggage for the duration. I refuse to participate in their game. Biden does suck as a candidate and it's because of him and the rest of the establishment Dems that we have a Trump. Not one of those turds EVER talks about campaign finance reform and we know why. I held my nose and voted for Hillary the last time but I will not toe the party line again. As I said...I will continue to support Progressive candidates and policy but I am not voting for anyone who is a corporate tool. NO WAY!!!
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I mean, it's totally OK to vote against Biden in the primary by voting for Sanders or anyone else.

I don't plan on voting for Biden in my primary either, but I recognize that when all is said and done, we have to unite behind the Democratic nominee otherwise we will be a fully fascist nation under Trump and the GOP.

You're right about the non-stop BURISMA, and it's one of my main arguments against Biden. But the will of Democratic voters will make itself clear after these primaries and we have to unite to defeat Conservatism. Then, we can resume making life hell for the Establishment by forcing them leftward.
 
TTQ64 said:
we can start by expunging the one's in the dem party
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Unfortunately, we need to find common cause with the Democratic Establishment for now.

We are going to win the long game because Bernie is inspiring a ton of young progressives to run for office (AOC, Omar, Khanna). In CA alone, Bernie won 84% of the Latino vote under 30. That's amazing, and it says to me that there are going to be a lot of young progressives who will pick up the mantle and run with it.

Once AOC comes of age, I fully expect her to be a major contender for the POTUS nomination. But that's still at least 5-6 years from now. We have to plant the seeds of revolution now, and they will blossom into leaders later.
 
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