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LV426 said:
Maybe.

I think if turnout mirrors what it was in 2018 and 2019, Biden or Sanders could easily win.

But we don't want to just "win"...we want to humiliate Conservatism. That is going to require a united front which means we have to work with the DNC.

Paramount to everything is punishing Conservatism for the last 4 years, and seeking retribution for every shitty, awful thing they did.

When all is said and done, I want Conservatives so marginalized and embarrassed that they slink back underneath the rocks from which they slithered.
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That's not going to happen when you have republican plants, (moderate conservative dems) in the Democrat party and throughout the entire government.

They are in control, not the people.
 
LV426 said:
I completely agree, which is why we can't just "beat" Trump, we need turnout so large it humiliates Conservatism and forces it into hiding.

What I want is a world where MAGAts are afraid to wear their red hats, not because of physical danger, but because of how dismissively they would be treated.
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And you think voting will make that happen?

I think the fix is already in. They didn't go in on biden this early for nothing.

It' was designed this way. The right, the wealthy and the media think this is some sort of game......and american's are happy to play.
 
TTQ64 said:
That's not going to happen when you have republican plants, (moderate conservative dems) in the Democrat party and throughout the entire government.

They are in control, not the people.
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I agree to an extent.

But we can't change the system if Conservatives control it.

So first thing's first...expunge Conservatives and I think the problem might take care of itself.
 
TTQ64 said:
And you think voting will make that happen?

I think the fix is already in. They didn't go in on biden this early for nothing.

It' was designed this way. The right, the wealthy and the media think this is some sort of game......and american's are happy to play.
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I believe if we had 75% voter turnout in this country, Conservatives wouldn't win a single election anywhere.
 
LV426 said:
Well, unfortunately, white America isn't going to give up their seat voluntarily.

So while it's great that we are dedicated to our values during the primary, we do have to set those aside in the general because Trump absolutely cannot have a second term.

If he does, democracy in America is finished.
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It's already an illusion. I believe it is somewhat salvageable, but not via the DNC. They are as FOS as the party of Trump except they throw some more crumbs to the unwashed masses.
 
LV426 said:
Well, unfortunately, white America isn't going to give up their seat voluntarily.

So while it's great that we are dedicated to our values during the primary, we do have to set those aside in the general because Trump absolutely cannot have a second term.

If he does, democracy in America is finished.
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The United States isn't a democracy. It is a federated republic. There are currently no democracies anywhere in the world.
 
LV426 said:
Should Trump lose, what will happen everywhere is that Conservatives like you will suddenly be struck with the same curious case of amnesia that afflicted you after Bush the Dumber, and none of you -none of you- will ever admit to supporting and voting for Trump.

So your red MAGA hat will go up into the attic right next to your teabags, your Bush/Cheney shirts, and your Klan hoods as you posture a new brand of shitty Conservatism.
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The Klan belongs to the Democrats, dumbass. It was the Democrats that created the Klan, and the Democrats that keep it going.
 
I see Southern Chicken has logged out of one ID and logged back in as Into the Night.

Obviously, that is because SC can't continue debating, so it's now time to play sock accounts!
 
Cinnabar said:
It's already an illusion. I believe it is somewhat salvageable, but not via the DNC. They are as FOS as the party of Trump except they throw some more crumbs to the unwashed masses.
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Yes, I completely agree that the DNC sucks and that establishment democrats suck.

But they aren't even in the same league of suckiness as Conservatism is.

So, first thing's first. In order to get the big, systemic change we need, we have to expunge Conservatism as a viable and legitimate political ideology. We can only do that by flushing them away at the polls.

So that's why this is an all-hands-on-deck election.

We can't get Medicare for All if there is a viable Republican Party that still wields any political influence.

They have to be annihilated and humiliated; Conservatism needs to become more toxic a belief system than any other. We accomplish that by kicking the ever loving shit out of it at the polls. So there's common cause with the DNC and Biden in that regard, and we should ally ourselves in that effort because getting Biden and Co. to change is a much easier prospect if there's no Conservatives left with whom they can triangulate us.
 
Conservatives: The Democrats started the Klan and supported the Confederacy!

Normal people: OK, so then let's tear down their monuments and flags.

Conservatives: :/
 
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