Do we NEED to find improper ballots or rigged machines to overturn election?

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Guess what, not everyone is as fucking stupid and naiive as you.

We've all read it. Nothing in the entire section -- let alone that clause -- suggests states can freely disenfranchise millions of voters over one miscast vote.

But if you want to rewrite the clause to allow for such ridiculousness, better be prepared to give Hillary back Iowa: https://www.newsweek.com/trump-supporter-voter-fraud-president-viral-video-1546876

[FONT="]APresident [/FONT][URL="https://www.newsweek.com/topic/donald-trump"]Donald Trump[/URL][FONT="] supporter admitted to voter fraud in a viral video, as she says she tried to vote for Trump twice in the 2016 election.[/FONT]

Bigotry.

 

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Everyone knows what the Democrats did, alright. They won.

No. They did not win. They faulted several State elections with their election fraud.

Sad post. There was no massive voter fraud -

Election fraud is not voter fraud. Doublespeak.

which is why the courts ruled as they did.

The didn't.

The only difference w/ this election is that people USED to be able to accept loss

You can't lose what never took place. Election fraud is not an election. Fake ballots are not legal votes.

& move on to the next election.

No. If this election fraud is ignored, and the attempted coup by the Democrats is successful, there will no longer be any faith in the election system by large numbers of people.

Now, Republicans seem to think they have an inherent right to win every election, and if they don't, it must mean that there was "cheating."

Irrelevant. That does not eliminate the election fraud committed by the Democrats or the evidence that it occurred.

 

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That silly theory has been dismissed by ever judge it was presented to, including Trump appointed judges.

Poor Trumpper.

No, it wasn't, liar.

 

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Man, are you going to be disappointed, yet, again. Koch has even come out and stated Biden is President Elect. It’s over, time to move on.

Koch does not have authority to choose the President.

 

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There was no foul play,

Yes there was.

those states all certified their votes,

No, they didn't.

Congress is going to confirm today & Pence will ratify.

Hasn't happened yet, thanks to a few that took over the capital building.

In 2 weeks. Joe Biden becomes President.

No. That would only mean the election has failed and the Constitution is destroyed. We will be living in fascism by oligarchy. The election system will never be trusted again.
If Biden 'wins', he will be installed as Prime Minister. And he had better watch his back....Harris is after his butt.

 

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I read that Trump has admitted it privately, also, and is making plans to move to FL.

He just wants to stir things up at this point - to stay relevant and in the news, and hurt Biden's Presidency.

You read a lot of stupid shit.

 

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Article 2, Section 1, Clause 2

"Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector."


The States don't even have to hold an election. They appointed electors, done.

Seven States didn't.

 

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No, you just need to stfu and take the legitimate landslide loss Trump suffered like a grownup.

Not legitimate.

 

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He needs the money he’s raising for his defense fund. It’s also he’s last chance to strut and preen onstage as President. He’s a loser. Trump hates losers.

Trump hasn't lost.

 

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Dukkie is the one who doesn’t understand the Constitution.

No, that would be YOU.

 

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The determination of whether a state acted illegally is made by the authorities of that state--not the federal courts.

WRONG. It is made by the the people of that State, and both State and federal courts have jurisdiction.

Making variations and adjustments due to the pandemic or questionable mail service is within the discretionary power of those administering the election (Georgia even has an Elections Board for this purpose).

No, it isn't. ONLY the legislature of a State can make such changes.

What you are saying is that if an election is scheduled for Friday in New Orleans and a hurricane is coming and an evacuation is ordered, they could not delay the vote until after the storm has passed unless the state legislature is called into session and votes to delay the date of the election. That makes no common sense.

Yes it does. The legislatures, and ONLY the legislatures have authority to choose their electors or how and under what circumstances elections are conducted on a different date.

The courts of those states ruled any changes in procedure would not cause enough change in the election results to make a difference;

WRONG. The courts never made any such ruling.

no harm, no foul.

WRONG. The courts cannot override the constitution of any State.

You don't throw out an entire election when it made no difference.

The election never took place. Election fraud is not an election.

 

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The SL make the laws, they do not administer it.

Yes they do.

The rules and regulations in legislative laws is not that detailed.

Yes they are.

The details are left to the agency administering those laws on a daily basis.

No. The agency MUST conform to law.

That is the way all government words.

No. Again, you have demonstrated you have no idea how government works.

The Constitution gives Congress the power to pass tariffs, but the president actually determines when a tariff is to be applied.

Which is what happened.

Congress gave the president the power to spend funds on an emergency basis for defense, but the president chose to use that money for the wall, instead.

The wall is part of national defense.

Did the president act unconstitutionally by applying tariffs or spending the money on the wall (fence)?

No.

 

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If the states acted unconstitutionally for changing the rules that makes all the state legislators, members of Congress, and everybody else elected on Nov 4. All the Republicans yelling fraud were elected under those same rules.

Nope. Republicans yelling fraud were already elected in previous elections.

 

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So that makes all members of Congress elected under those rules invalid.

Presentism fallacy. Bigotry. False equivalence fallacy.

 

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Trump would have us believe that the founders, after escaping a tyrant, would make the VP of the United States the most powerful man in the world.

Not at all. No one is asking the VP to choose the electors for any State.

 

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There is a pandemic asshole. Desperate times call for desperate measures and any and all changes were made prior to the election and approved by the respective states. If you don't like it you should have said something prior to the election. That or you can eat shit, nobody cares.

Irrelevant. Your hypochondria is not my problem.

 

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Hey asshole whatcha doin? Still think your fuhrer is going to serve another term?

We have yet to see.

 

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Oh really? What was it 50?

I'm not going to argue random numbers with you. It's public record. Go look it up yourself.

 

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You go right ahead and still call your piece of shit a president nobody gives a shit. He won't be welcome in the White house, he won't be getting security briefings. He won't be president.

You don't get to speak for everybody. You are not God. You only get to speak for yourself.

 

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The state legislature gives the role of choosing electors to the winner of the popular vote. That was the way electoral votes were chosen.

WRONG. Only the State legislatures can choose their electors. If they want to hold an advisory election to do so, fine. But that election MUST be carried out according to the laws passed by that legislature, and the legislature are the ONLY ones that can certify such an election, not the Governor, not the Secretary of State. The legislatures, and ONLY the legislatures. See Article II and the 12th amendment.

The laws about when votes were due, etc. were not about electoral votes, but still came under a constitutional requirement for state legislatures to determine election procedures.

WRONG. The federal government cannot usurp the authority of the State legislatures. The legislatures are free to change their votes until today. If they don't choose their electors, they abstain.

If the election is invalid because those procedures were not followed, then it also applies to state legislatures, Congress.....

WRONG. The State legislatures are the ONLY ones that can certify a vote for the electors of that State.