No. UNCONSTITUTIONALLY CHANGED ELECTION LAWS IS ENOUGH.
Do we NEED to find improper ballots or rigged machines to overturn election?
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Ooooooooooooh my goodness!
"shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof" If they had wanted to make changes, the matter would have to have hearings, meetings and votes to do it by creating a new LAW!
They did not change it by proper legal procedures. It would have been too time consuming to do it the right way. The legislatures right was simply taken away from them!
BY THE LEGISLATURE......NOT THE GOVERNOR, STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL, A JUDGE, ETC.
It's starting to look to me like Pence will kick the matter back to the State Legislatures in those states with competing slates.
This would be the right thing to do since it's those SL's responsibility in the 1st place.
Then just let the chips fall where they may. We'll see.
This would be the right thing to do since it's those SL's responsibility in the 1st place.
Then just let the chips fall where they may. We'll see.
BartenderElite
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The U.S. Constitution does not give the Vice President that authority.
Time for you to get back in your mother's basement
no worries
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And, there's always this in the good news from PA.........................
PENNSYLVANIA MEMBERS OF CONGRESS RELEASE STATEMENT REGARDING CERTIFICATION OF ELECTORS
WASHINGTON, D.C. – Today, Pennsylvania members of the U.S. House of Representatives including Congressman Dan Meuser (PA-9), Congressman Glenn ‘GT’ Thompson (PA-15), Congressman Mike Kelly (PA-16), Congressman Scott Perry (PA-10), Congressman Lloyd Smucker (PA-11), Congressman Guy Reschenthaler (PA-14), Congressman John Joyce (PA-13), and Congressman Fred Keller (PA-12) released the following joint statement:
“The United States Constitution is unambiguous in declaring that state legislatures are the entity with authority to set election procedure -
“Article 1, Section 4, Clause 1: The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof…
“Article 2, Section 1, Clause 2: Each state shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors…
“Unfortunately, the many unlawful actions undertaken by the Pennsylvania Governor's office, the Secretary of State, and what has been described as a rogue Pennsylvania Supreme Court exceeded and circumvented the state legislature's clear constitutional authority.
“The unlawful actions include, but are not limited to:
Accepting ballots past 8:00 pm on Election Day
Not properly requiring signatures to match those on mail-in ballots or requiring dates
Meanwhile, the matching of signatures was required at a polling site
Authorizing the curing of mail-in ballots with less than a 24-hour's notice
Only some counties were informed and adhered to this order leaving voters treated unequally from county to county
Authorizing the use of unsecure drop boxes, which is not permitted in statute
Prohibiting certified poll watchers overseeing the canvassing of ballots in Philadelphia
“These unlawful actions were taken without the authority or consent of the Pennsylvania state legislature. These are facts, and they are indisputable.
“Additionally, the Pennsylvania Attorney General did nothing with regard to these unlawful activities. Not one inquiry, no questioning, and certainly no investigations. Not to mention that hundreds, if not thousands, of affidavits outlining election complaints and potential fraud were documented, submitted, and ignored. The Pennsylvania election could be summed up as a free-for-all with no oversight and different standards applied throughout the Commonwealth. It is also very apparent that the unlawful actions described were concentrated in heavily populated, Democrat-led counties.
“By definition, such unlawful, unregulated, and inconsistent activities resulted in a highly questionable and inaccurate vote total. The scope of these inaccuracies cannot be known until the legal ballots are identified and counted, and the illegal ballots are disqualified. This has not been done.
“Therefore, the state's official certification of electors was based upon a flawed system and an inaccurate vote count. Thus, very possibly resulting in an erroneous certification.
“Until these unlawful practices are acknowledged and corrected, we cannot agree to support electors chosen based upon an inaccurate total vote count. The voters of Pennsylvania deserve integrity in the election process and equal protection under the law.
“This very unfortunate, volatile, and distressing situation is due to the lack of respect and regard for the law and the U.S. Constitution as well as the Pennsylvania State Constitution. Additionally, the failure of Pennsylvania's justice system to seek the truth, rather than stay silent, allowed these irregular, unlawful actions to create a high level of mistrust in the process as well as a potentially flawed outcome.
“If there is an American ideal that all citizens, regardless of party affiliation, can agree upon is that we must have election integrity. Election integrity is the only way to ensure trust in our elections and it is accomplished by adhering to our Constitution and the law.”
https://meuser.house.gov/media/pres...ess-release-statement-regarding-certification
"The unlawful actions include, but are not limited to:
Accepting ballots past 8:00 pm on Election Day
Not properly requiring signatures to match those on mail-in ballots or requiring dates
Meanwhile, the matching of signatures was required at a polling site
Authorizing the curing of mail-in ballots with less than a 24-hour's notice
Only some counties were informed and adhered to this order leaving voters treated unequally from county to county
Authorizing the use of unsecure drop boxes, which is not permitted in statute
Prohibiting certified poll watchers overseeing the canvassing of ballots in Philadelphia
“These unlawful actions were taken without the authority or consent of the Pennsylvania state legislature. These are facts, and they are indisputable.
Some one should bring this to the attention of a judge......................Oh' wait..................
Airstrip One
Completely Effed
I'm pretty sure that Dems just want to win so that they can finish the work of their party founders. Confronting them about constitutionality in elections is probably not going to win them over.
canceled.2021.1
#AMERICAISDEAD
All of what you say is true. It was true days before the election. It was true days after the election. Everyone knows what the democrats did.
The problem is that from where I sit, there is nobody in positions of power who are going to do anything about it. The courts who everyone thought would be our last line of defense have abdicated their authority whether out of complicity or fear of left wing mobs. Either way they are absent.
So now we sit and await the whirlwind. Hopefully over the years you have prepared you and your family for the destruction that is about to befall us. And for those who say "oh, that can't happen here", make no mistake it can happen here. This is the last battlefield for freedom.
floridafan
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It requires a court to prove your point. So far you have failed about 60 times.
Guess what, not everyone is as fucking stupid and naiive as you.
We've all read it. Nothing in the entire section -- let alone that clause -- suggests states can freely disenfranchise millions of voters over one miscast vote.
But if you want to rewrite the clause to allow for such ridiculousness, better be prepared to give Hillary back Iowa: https://www.newsweek.com/trump-supporter-voter-fraud-president-viral-video-1546876
[FONT="]APresident [/FONT]Donald Trump[FONT="] supporter admitted to voter fraud in a viral video, as she says she tried to vote for Trump twice in the 2016 election.[/FONT]
BartenderElite
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Everyone knows what the Democrats did, alright. They won.
Sad post. There was no massive voter fraud - which is why the courts ruled as they did. The only difference w/ this election is that people USED to be able to accept loss & move on to the next election. Now, Republicans seem to think they have an inherent right to win every election, and if they don't, it must mean that there was "cheating."
In hindsight it really was never the purpose of the courts to handle this. It is a Constitutional and Congressional and State Legislature matter.
And, now thankfully there are SL's wanting their votes back. Then we can proceed as we should have prior to the Dems' foul play.
That silly theory has been dismissed by ever judge it was presented to, including Trump appointed judges.
Poor Trumpper.
canceled.2021.1
#AMERICAISDEAD
In hindsight it really was never the purpose of the courts to handle this. It is a Constitutional and Congressional and State Legislature matter.
And, now thankfully there are SL's wanting their votes back. Then we can proceed as we should have prior to the Dems' foul play.
I disagree. There was a role for the courts with respect to certain states violating their laws like Pennsylvania and Georgia. There is no shortage of moral cowardice in DC. Trump seems to be the only one with any
Man, are you going to be disappointed, yet, again. Koch has even come out and stated Biden is President Elect. It’s over, time to move on.In hindsight it really was never the purpose of the courts to handle this. It is a Constitutional and Congressional and State Legislature matter.
And, now thankfully there are SL's wanting their votes back. Then we can proceed as we should have prior to the Dems' foul play.
BartenderElite
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In hindsight it really was never the purpose of the courts to handle this. It is a Constitutional and Congressional and State Legislature matter.
And, now thankfully there are SL's wanting their votes back. Then we can proceed as we should have prior to the Dems' foul play.
There was no foul play, those states all certified their votes, Congress is going to confirm today & Pence will ratify.
In 2 weeks. Joe Biden becomes President.
BartenderElite
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I read that Trump has admitted it privately, also, and is making plans to move to FL.
He just wants to stir things up at this point - to stay relevant and in the news, and hurt Biden's Presidency.