Ban Ki-moon calls Israeli settlement expansion an 'affront' to the world

Damocles said:
I'm talking about the first offer, back in 1948... Israel gave a "yes" the Arab occupiers gave the thumbs down. Ever since then Israel has acted in its own interest as any Nation would do. Why do you think that Israel should be the only nation that must act against its own interests to make you feel better?
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That was UN non-binding resolution and had no legal weight. The Israeli's were trying to enforce it on the Arabs as a temporary measure to gain legitimacy and use it to seize and ethnically cleanse all of Israel for themselves. It was never intended by any party as a permanent measure.

Any idiot should've seen the war that came coming. There is no way you bend over while outsiders come and seize your homeland, who was seriously expecting that of the Arabs? The entire Zionist project from the beginning, implicitly required the use of ethnic cleansing to create a Jewish state. Anyone with a lick of sense (i.e. not a coddled westerner spoonfed Israeli propaganda all their life) should've realized that. The Arabs were not idiots, and realized this like any intelligent human being would, and justifiably responded to this act of aggression against their homeland.
 
Borboletta said:
So why did Ariel Sharon plan to give back the West Bank as he did with the Gaza Strip? I implore you to read this highly lucid and fascinating article in the Atlantic about Israel and the Palestinians. He gave back Gaza and what did the Palestinians do? Destroy all the vast greenhouses that the settlers left behind and then voted in Hamas, an organisation dedicated to the destruction of Israel!!

http://www.theatlantic.com/internat...d-israel-give-up-territory-after-gaza/244995/

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The PLO in the Gaza strip did not yet have the organizational capability to prevent looters from dismantling a few greenhouses. I don't know why you're so utterly obsessed with this story.
 
moon2012 said:
You are missing the point, Fool. He wasn't chosen by the Palestinians and so was not representative of the Palestinians, ergo your attempt to somehow equate being Palestinian with Nazis falls flat on its tush. Tough titty, Godwin.
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There was no such thing as the Palestinians back then, he was the nearest thing to a spokesman. Of course I can see why you wish to dismiss him as it doesn't sit well to have an Arab leader like him doing deals with the Nazis to set up death camps.
 
Jean said:
The PLO in the Gaza strip did not yet have the organizational capability to prevent looters from dismantling a few greenhouses. I don't know why you're so utterly obsessed with this story.
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I wasn't just a few greenhouses though, it was a huge enterprise and the wonderful Palestinians just trashed and looted them. As for the PLO not having the capability to stop them well that says it all, doesn't it?
 
Borboletta said:
So why did Ariel Sharon plan to give back the West Bank as he did with the Gaza Strip?
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He didn't.

The fact is that Sharon withdrew from Gaza- albeit still controlling it- because he felt that Bush had promised him support for the permanent settlement of the West Bank's existing squats if he did. He claimed to have a letter to that effect, although Bush denied having written it. That fact, plus the chronic expense involved in maintaining the world's largest open-air prison, was the reason that the Fat Assassin upped pegs.
 
Irish said:
Isn't this dude from Africa? Instead of worrying about the complete collaps of the African Continent to savage terror groups, he's going to take time and comment on Israel....

Priorities man.
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Ban Ki-moon is from South Korea.
 
Borboletta said:
There was no such thing as the Palestinians back then, he was the nearest thing to a spokesman. Of course I can see why you wish to dismiss him as it doesn't sit well to have an Arab leader like him doing deals with the Nazis to set up death camps.
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Again, you are misinformed. You really ought to check the credentials of your sources- because they read like hasbara.

Of course, the British held a Mandate over the Palestinians you claim didn't exist- and had done so since 1923.

' Nearest thing to a spokesperson ' doesn't cut it. He was never chosen to represent Palestinians. The British appointed him, Fool. He would have been seen to be an affront to Palestinians just as Netanyahu and his henchmen are seen to be an affront to the world today.
 
Jean said:
That was UN non-binding resolution and had no legal weight. The Israeli's were trying to enforce it on the Arabs as a temporary measure to gain legitimacy and use it to seize and ethnically cleanse all of Israel for themselves. It was never intended by any party as a permanent measure.

Any idiot should've seen the war that came coming. There is no way you bend over while outsiders come and seize your homeland, who was seriously expecting that of the Arabs? The entire Zionist project from the beginning, implicitly required the use of ethnic cleansing to create a Jewish state. Anyone with a lick of sense (i.e. not a coddled westerner spoonfed Israeli propaganda all their life) should've realized that. The Arabs were not idiots, and realized this like any intelligent human being would, and justifiably responded to this act of aggression against their homeland.
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You'd have to talk to the Brits who set the deal up after promising the same land to two different cultures who both occupied the land. Only somebody with immense levels of pretense and Arab occupier propaganda believes no Jews were in Israel.

Seriously, this "Israel is bad Arabs are good" nonsense is nonsense. Both sides work hard to push their own interests. Currently the Arabs use human shields to attempt to take a moral high ground against Israel who, like Donald Trump, always use disproportionate responses.

Neither side in this is the "right" side, both will act in their own interest.
 
Borboletta said:
I wasn't just a few greenhouses though, it was a huge enterprise and the wonderful Palestinians just trashed and looted them. As for the PLO not having the capability to stop them well that says it all, doesn't it?
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It's very likely that the Palestinians will remove the illegal squats from their state too, just as soon as the illegal invaders withdraw from it.
That said, they have offered Israeli squatters the option to remain and become Palestinian citizens.
 
moon2012 said:
Again, you are misinformed. You really ought to check the credentials of your sources- because they read like hasbara.

Of course, the British held a Mandate over the Palestinians you claim didn't exist- and had done so since 1923.

' Nearest thing to a spokesperson ' doesn't cut it. He was never chosen to represent Palestinians. The British appointed him, Fool. He would have been seen to be an affront to Palestinians just as Netanyahu and his henchmen are seen to be an affront to the world today.
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Again, there was no such thing as the Palestinians back then. Funny how a British appointee ended up fleeing in 1937 because the British were after him. Of course you have to say all that otherwise you'd have to face the unpalatable truth that he advocated the genocide of the Jews. I can only assume from your tone, that you agree with him!
 
Damocles said:
You'd have to talk to the Brits who set the deal up after promising the same land to two different cultures who both occupied the land. Only somebody with immense levels of pretense and Arab occupier propaganda believes no Jews were in Israel.

Seriously, this "Israel is bad Arabs are good" nonsense is nonsense. Both sides work hard to push their own interests. Currently the Arabs use human shields to attempt to take a moral high ground against Israel who, like Donald Trump, always use disproportionate responses.

Neither side in this is the "right" side, both will act in their own interest.
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Most rational and balanced people see that, unfortunately Mr. Moon is neither rational or balanced and only see the one side.
 
Damocles said:
Only somebody with immense levels of pretense and Arab occupier propaganda believes no Jews were in Israel.
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It wasn't ' Israel ' until 1948- and it only became ' Israel ' by way of a unilateral declaration of statehood. Of course, Palestine had a minority Jewish population prior to 1947 and the British clearly stated in their document of relinquishment of their Mandate that ALL the people of Palestine were to be recognised and respected. The incoming Zionists soon trashed that regard, however. Their doctrine demanded ALL of Palestine- so it is abundantly clear who was at fault.
This is revisionism though. Today, the Palestinian state is recognised by the vast majority of world states and so is Israel. However, although the Palestinians have recognised Israel for over twenty years the Israelis still refuse to recognise Palestine and continue to try to occupy it and steal it. It is an affront to the world, as Ban says.
 
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Borboletta said:
Most rational and balanced people see that, unfortunately Mr. Moon is neither rational or balanced and only see the one side.
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In the case of a mugging in the street nobody would grant the thief equal rights to the victim. So it is with the ILLEGAL occupation of Palestine.

Those that would grant neoZionists any such right are simply supporters of ethnic cleansing. That's you, doodle.
 
Borboletta said:
Much of Israel was uninhabitable until it was made habitable by modern irrigation and farming techniques. Much of Saudi Arabia is desert without even one river yet they manage to get by somehow. Riyadh located in the heart of the country, is supplied with desalinated water pumped from the Persian Gulf over a distance of more than 300 miles. Jordan could do the same with water taken from the Gulf of Aqaba especially if other Arab countries helped to pay for it. My point is that the other Arab countries don't really care about the Palestinian plight, in fact they welcome it. It is a rallying point for them to distract from the huge issues in their own countries and to feed their hatred of Jews in general.
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I don't have the figures of how much money the Palestinians have received; but it appears that they've decided to use the majority of it to buy weapons, rather then use it to improve their overall situation.
So Sad.
 
Borboletta said:
Well pal, there have been many examples of far more egregious ethnic cleansings around the world. I just can't really understand why the Left concentrates all its ire on Israel. I don't see you saying anything about Russia, Darfur, Rwanda, Pakistan, India, Indonesia, the Congo, Nigeria, Mali, Turkey, China, Japan, Zimbabwe, Burma, Uganda, Libya and a host of others.
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It's because he's a Palestinian Apologist.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
I don't have the figures of how much money the Palestinians have received;
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You don't even know the nature of financial support for Palestine or the second part of your absurd post would still be stuck in your arse.

but it appears that they've decided to use the majority of it to buy weapons, rather then use it to improve their overall situation.
So Sad.
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You do usefully epitomise ignorance with regard to the topic though so keep on drinking the laxative.
 
moon2012 said:
No Zionism = no radical Islam. NeoZionism, as ban ki Moon intimates, is an affront to the world.
If the newly-fledged United Nations had offered half of California to Zionists in 1947 your grandpappy would have been shooting them as they got off the boat.
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Did California support the Nazi's, during WWII; because if you have that documentation, I would like to see it.
 
moon2012 said:
The South suffered as collaborators. What would you expect, considering the horrors inflicted on the North by the US and its ' soy sauce ' supporters ?
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You've just presented the idea that it was OK for the British to allow the Jews to settle in Israel; because of the horrors inflicted on the Jews, by the Arabs and their Nazi supporters.

Thanks :good4u:
 
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