Ban Ki-moon calls Israeli settlement expansion an 'affront' to the world

I just can't really understand why the Left concentrates all its ire on Israel. I don't see you saying anything about Russia, Darfur, Rwanda, Pakistan, India, Indonesia, the Congo, Nigeria, Mali, Turkey, China, Japan, Zimbabwe, Burma, Uganda, Libya and a host of others.
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Those regions have their own observers and journalists. If you are interested in following them then feel free. My own concern is with the threat that neoZionism poses to the United Nations and international security. Come back and tell us how you enjoyed the Congo.
 
moon2012 said:
Those regions have their own observers and journalists. If you are interested in following them then feel free. My own concern is with the threat that neoZionism poses to the United Nations and international security. Come back and tell us how you enjoyed the Congo.
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Yes you are so obsessed with Israel to the extent that you can't see the wood from the trees. Can you really see them giving back the Golan Heights to the Syrians with Daesh on their doorstep? The West Bank is still controlled by the PLO and Fatah but who's to say that Hamas couldn't take over there as well. Yasser Arafat had a unique window of opportunity in the 2000 with the Camp David Summit but he blew it.
 
Borboletta said:
Yes you are so obsessed with Israel to the extent that you can't see the wood from the trees. Can you really see them giving back the Golan Heights to the Syrians with Daesh on their doorstep? The West Bank is still controlled by the PLO and Fatah but who's to say that Hamas couldn't take over there as well. Yasser Arafat had a unique window of opportunity in the 2000 with the Camp David Summit but he blew it.
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You speak as if Zionism itself wasn't responsible for all of the ' problems ' you attempt to homogenise, above.

Incidentally, Arafat didn't ' blow ' Camp David. Camp David was a farce. There wasn't even a map provided.

There are a number of competing accounts of what happened at Camp David, however, and many of them agree with our claim. Moreover, Barak himself acknowledges that ‘the Palestinians were promised a continuous piece of sovereign territory except for a razor-thin Israeli wedge running from Jerusalem . . . to the Jordan River.’ This wedge, which would bisect the West Bank, was essential to Israel’s plan to retain control of the Jordan River Valley for another six to twenty years. Finally, and contrary to Dershowitz’s claim, there was no ‘second map’ or map of a ‘final proposal at Camp David’. Indeed, it is explicitly stated in a note beside the map published in Ross’s memoirs that ‘no map was presented during the final rounds at Camp David.’ Given all this, it is not surprising that Barak’s foreign minister, Shlomo Ben-Ami, who was a key participant at Camp David, later admitted: ‘If I were a Palestinian I would have rejected Camp David as well.’

http://www.irmep.org/mw_letter.htm
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But let's not get diverted from the affront that neoZionism offers today.
 
Borboletta said:
Well pal, there have been many examples of far more egregious ethnic cleansings around the world. I just can't really understand why the Left concentrates all its ire on Israel. I don't see you saying anything about Russia, Darfur, Rwanda, Pakistan, India, Indonesia, the Congo, Nigeria, Mali, Turkey, China, Japan, Zimbabwe, Burma, Uganda, Libya and a host of others.
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Or ISIS!
 
Daesh is a product of the power vacuum created by the illegal invasion of Iraq and neoZionism was a contributory factor in that illegal invasion. No neoZionism = no ' ISIS '. Am I blaming Zionism for all of the problems of the Middle East ? No. I'm blaming Zionism for most of them.
 
moon2012 said:
Daesh is a product of the power vacuum created by the illegal invasion of Iraq and neoZionism was a contributory factor in that illegal invasion. No neoZionism = no ' ISIS '. Am I blaming Zionism for all of the problems of the Middle East ? No. I'm blaming Zionism for most of them.
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I am not going to disagree about the 2003 war, Bush should never have prosecuted it in the first place. However Obama cannot escape blame for being far too anxious to pull out of Iraq and play to his own constituency.

I know that you are anxious to blame everything on the nasty Zionists but who caused the Algerian Civil War of the 90s? It was a direct result of the the military rulers allowing various political parties to operate. In local elections in 1990, a party called the Islamic Salvation Front (FIS) won 55 percent of the vote as a result which directly led to the deaths of over 100,000 Algerians. How did the Arab Spring and the subsequent nightmare come about, did those nasty Jews engineer the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood?

If you really want to get out of the Middle East then you should be supporting the West and its efforts to become energy independent. You should be supporting going full on with nuclear energy and fracking, however I can't help thinking that you are against both.
 
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Borboletta said:
I am not going to disagree about the 2003 war, Bush should never have prosecuted it in the first place. However Obama cannot escape blame for being far too anxious to pull out of Iraq and play to his own constituency.
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Obama was sold a pup by the drone industry. It promised him ' control ' without ' boots on the ground '. If you've seen the videos of him proclaiming world salvation by means of Predator drones then you'll get the point.
Once again, arms manufacturers have scewed the world over.
 
moon2012 said:
Obama was sold a pup by the drone industry. It promised him ' control ' without ' boots on the ground '. If you've seen the videos of him proclaiming world salvation by means of Predator drones then you'll get the point.
Once again, arms manufacturers have scewed the world over.
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Yet it is the Left that is the most bellicose about the use of drones, whilst also demanding that Obama demobilise the troops out of Iraq!
 
moon2012 said:
Daesh is a product of the power vacuum created by the illegal invasion of Iraq and neoZionism was a contributory factor in that illegal invasion. No neoZionism = no ' ISIS '. Am I blaming Zionism for all of the problems of the Middle East ? No. I'm blaming Zionism for most of them.
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ISIS is a product of radical Islam. No Islam=no ISIS. In fact, no Islam=no Palestinian issue because Hamas wouldn't be using the Palestinian cause as a pretext to kill Jews. Most of what is wrong in the ME is directly or indirectly attributable to Islam, to the beheadings and human rights violations in Saudi Arabia to the mullahs in Iran. The only 'cure' for Islam in the ME is secular despotism and you want to prattle-on about Israel and some neo Zionist conspiracy as if they were the villains.

I don't know what country you are from, but if the UN wanted your country to cede land to a party that wanted to annihilate it, you'd be singing a different tune.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
ISIS is a product of radical Islam. No Islam=no ISIS. In fact, no Islam=no Palestinian issue because Hamas wouldn't be using the Palestinian cause as a pretext to kill Jews. Most of what is wrong in the ME is directly or indirectly attributable to Islam, to the beheadings and human rights violations in Saudi Arabia to the mullahs in Iran. The only 'cure' for Islam in the ME is secular despotism and you want to prattle-on about Israel and some neo Zionist conspiracy as if they were the villains.

I don't know what country you are from, but if the UN wanted your country to cede land to a party that wanted to annihilate it, you'd be singing a different tune.
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No Zionism = no radical Islam. NeoZionism, as ban ki Moon intimates, is an affront to the world.
If the newly-fledged United Nations had offered half of California to Zionists in 1947 your grandpappy would have been shooting them as they got off the boat.
 
Borboletta said:
Yet it is the Left that is the most bellicose about the use of drones, whilst also demanding that Obama demobilise the troops out of Iraq!
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Militarised drones have created an anti-American culture never witnessed before. Both the left and the right were wrong about those. Of course the left wanted troops out of Iraq. 5000 Americans were killed and 80,000 permanently disabled. What sort of a ghoul would want those figures increased ? Besides, withdrawal from Vietnam- sponsored by the left- resulted in a prosperous Vietnam and a suitably chastised America. Unfortunately, the US never quit Iraq entirely.
 
moon2012 said:
No Zionism = no radical Islam. NeoZionism, as ban ki Moon intimates, is an affront to the world.
If the newly-fledged United Nations had offered half of California to Zionists in 1947 your grandpappy would have been shooting them as they got off the boat.
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God you are so full of shit! The Muslim Brotherhood was created in 1928 well before the state of Israel came into existence. It was the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem that met with Hitler and wanted him to eliminate the Jews, again before the existence of Israel.
 
The Grand Mufti was appointed by the British, Fool. Ask Godwin.
Further, the Muslim Brotherhood was not, is not and never will be- ' radicalised Islam '. It's a brotherhood, like a Christian brotherhood. Get wise.
 
moon2012 said:
Militarised drones have created an anti-American culture never witnessed before. Both the left and the right were wrong about those. Of course the left wanted troops out of Iraq. 5000 Americans were killed and 80,000 permanently disabled. What sort of a ghoul would want those figures increased ? Besides, withdrawal from Vietnam- sponsored by the left- resulted in a prosperous Vietnam and a suitably chastised America. Unfortunately, the US never quit Iraq entirely.
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My daughter in law is Vietnamese but now living in London with my son. In fact I am going to Vietnam next week. She can give you chapter and verse on what the North Vietnamese inflicted on South Vietnam during the years after they took over. Her family suffered very badly, her grandfather had a number of businesses, including a soy sauce factory, which were all confiscated by the government without any compensation. Yes it's much much better but that's because the communists woke up and realised that Vietnam would always be poor pursuing archaic policies.
 
moon2012 said:
The Grand Mufti was appointed by the British, Fool.
Further, the Muslim Brotherhood was not, is not and never will be- ' radicalised Islam '. It's a brotherhood, like a Christian brotherhood. Get wise.
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Regardless of who appointed who, the Muslim Brotherhood gave birth to radical Islam. Hasan el Banna is the father of the modern jihadist movement. Which historically, is just a modern iteration of Islam. It's the way they roll.

His organization was banned in Egypt and they were quite friendly with der furher in WWII, since they both shared a common objective of killing Jews.

History is not your friend.
 
moon2012 said:
The Grand Mufti was appointed by the British, Fool. Ask Godwin.
Further, the Muslim Brotherhood was not, is not and never will be- ' radicalised Islam '. It's a brotherhood, like a Christian brotherhood. Get wise.
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So bloody what? He had several meetings with Hitler and his staff including the SS ffs. Are you attempting to deny the undeniable. In fact in 1948, the Jordanians removed the bastard al-Husayni from office, shame that they didn't string him up as well!

He was preparing to enter Jerusalem at the head of the Muslim Arab Legion squadron he’d created for the army of the Third Reich. The mufti’s grand plan was to build huge Auschwitz-like crematoria near Nablus, to which Jews from Palestine, Iraq, Egypt, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon and North Africa would be sent and then be gassed, just like the Jews were by the SS in Europe.” I bet you didn't read that in Socialist Weekly!!
 
Borboletta said:
My daughter in law is Vietnamese but now living in London with my son. In fact I am going to Vietnam next week. She can give you chapter and verse on what the North Vietnamese inflicted on South Vietnam during the years after they took over. Her family suffered very badly, her grandfather had a number of businesses, including a soy sauce factory, which were all confiscated by the government without any compensation. Yes it's much much better but that's because the communists woke up and realised that Vietnam would always be poor pursuing archaic policies.
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The South suffered as collaborators. What would you expect, considering the horrors inflicted on the North by the US and its ' soy sauce ' supporters ?
 
Borboletta said:
So bloody what? He had several meetings with Hitler ffs. Are you attempting to deny the undeniable. In fact in 1948, the Jordanians removed the bastard al-Husayni from office, shame that they didn't string him up as well!
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The Mufti was appointed by the British, Fool. Attempting to associate him with Palestinians is crass stupidity. Ask Godwin.
 
moon2012 said:
The South suffered as collaborators. What would you expect, considering the horrors inflicted on the North by the US and its ' soy sauce ' supporters ?
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Wow, I have a fair few Vietnamese friends and they would kick your arse for that load of bullshit. The only good thing that Hanoi ever did was removing the even nastier Pol Pot from Cambodia, when the US and the UN were recognising the Kmer Rouge as the legitimate government of Cambodia! It is a real shame that the cunt died in his bed rather than on the end of a rope. I recommend that you go to Cambodia and see S21 and the Tuol Sleng Genocide Museum. I have been there and it is an extremely sobering experience.
 
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