Ban Ki-moon calls Israeli settlement expansion an 'affront' to the world

moon2012 said:
The Mufti was appointed by the British, Fool. Attempting to associate him with Palestinians is crass stupidity. Ask Godwin.
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Did the Brits sanction his face to face meetings with Hitler and his plans to create gas chambers in Nablus to exterminate Jews from all over the Middle East?
 
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The whole stinking little Nazi child-murdering colony is an affront to the civilized world, run by the enemies of the human race and supported by the likes of Borboletta, which says it all.
 
moon2012 said:
Did the Australians ? Ask Godwin.
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Oh dear, is that all you have to say about it? I guess you would have been happy if he had gone ahead with his plan to exterminate all the Jews in the Middle East. I know that the Welsh wanker Iolo would have been creaming his jeans with delight.
 
Borboletta said:
Oh dear, is that all you have to say about it? I guess you would have been happy if he had gone ahead with his plan to exterminate all the Jews in the Middle East.
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Whatever the British appointee planned - or did not plan- it had nothing to do with the Palestinians, Fool.
 
Borboletta said:
Much of Israel was uninhabitable until it was made habitable by modern irrigation and farming techniques.
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The parts of Jordan that are habitable are habitable due to their share of the Jordan river. They do the same thing the Israeli's do. The fact that Israel and Jordan combined drain the entire river is why the Dead Sea is currently in the process of disappearing. The West Bank is comparatively good land for the region, that's why the Israeli's want to steal it.

Borboletta said:
Much of Saudi Arabia is desert without even one river yet they manage to get by somehow. Riyadh located in the heart of the country, is supplied with desalinated water pumped from the Persian Gulf over a distance of more than 300 miles. Jordan could do the same with water taken from the Gulf of Aqaba especially if other Arab countries helped to pay for it.
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Saudi Arabia is awash in oil money. It has the GDP per capita of a developed country. Jordan has little oil and a GDP per capita of $4000 a year. Their resources are much more limited.

Borboletta said:
My point is that the other Arab countries don't really care about the Palestinian plight, in fact they welcome it. It is a rallying point for them to distract from the huge issues in their own countries and to feed their hatred of Jews in general.
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There was no history of antisemitism in the middle eastern before the foundation of Israel.
 
moon2012 said:
False. Whilst not being prime agricultural land the indigenous inhabitants of Palestine farmed and grazed it for centuries before the ethnic cleansing doctrine of Zionism coined the laughable term - ' a land without a people for a people without a land '. Such sickening propaganda has created the lie which you attempt to disseminate here.
Your ' modern irrigation and farming techniques ' have bled the country's aquifers and turned the river Jordan to a trickle of sewage and fertiliser. Because of this ecological terrorism Israeli produce is shunned worldwide by everybody invloved in the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement which is , in effect, a bloodless intifada.
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Yes, the part of the land the Israeli's settled in is not traditionally agricultural land until Israel decided to drain the entire Jordan river dry to make it so, but that no one lived there is a myth.
 
Damocles said:
Why should any of us care what Ban Ki-Moon says about anything?
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Israeli settlements are an affront to the world. It is outrageous that Israeli's try to use them as bargaining chips to seize more and more Palestinian land. They're illegal and should provide no legal weight. But Israeli's don't care about justice, they just want to greedily gobble up all they can from the Palestinians.
 
Jean said:
Israeli settlements are an affront to the world. It is outrageous that Israeli's try to use them as bargaining chips to seize more and more Palestinian land. They're illegal and should provide no legal weight. But Israeli's don't care about justice, they just want to greedily gobble up all they can from the Palestinians.
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Right, which is why they agreed to the earlier accord when the "Palestinians" refused. It doesn't change what I asked earlier. Why should I care in any way what Ban Ki-moon has to say about anything at all?
 
moon2012 said:
Whatever the British appointee planned - or did not plan- it had nothing to do with the Palestinians, Fool.
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God you are truly an imbecile, Mohammed Amin al-Husseini was born in Jerusalem for fucks sake!! Yes he was appointed by the British in 1921, but had to flee in 1937 to evade an arrest warrant issued by the British!!

Al-Husseini was the scion of a family of Jerusalemite notables,[SUP][9][/SUP] who trace their origins to the grandson of Muhammad.[SUP][10][/SUP] After receiving an education in Islamic, Ottoman and Catholic schools, he went on to serve in the Ottoman army in World War I. At war's end he stationed himself in Damascus as a supporter of the Arab Kingdom of Syria. Following the fiasco of the Franco-Syrian War and the collapse of the Arab Hashemite rule in Damascus, his early position on pan-Arabism shifted to a form of local nationalism for Palestinian Arabs and he moved back to Jerusalem. From as early as 1920 he actively opposed Zionism, and was implicated as a leader of the 1920 Nebi Musa riots. Al-Husseini was sentenced to ten years' imprisonment but was pardoned by the British.[SUP][11][/SUP] In 1921 the British High Commissioner appointed him Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, a position he used to promote Islam while rallying a non-confessional Arab nationalism against Zionism.[SUP][12][/SUP][SUP][13]
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His opposition to the British peaked during the 1936–39 Arab revolt in Palestine. In 1937, evading an arrest warrant, he fled Palestine and took refuge successively in the French Mandate of Lebanon and the Kingdom of Iraq, until he established himself in Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany. During World War II he collaborated with both Italy and Germany by making propagandistic radio broadcasts and by helping the Nazis recruit Bosnian Muslims for the Waffen-SS (on the ground that they shared four principles: family, order, the leader and faith). Also, as he told the recruits, Germany had not colonized any Arab country while Russia and England had.[SUP][14][/SUP] On meeting Adolf Hitler he requested backing for Arab independence and support in opposing the establishment in Palestine of a Jewish national home. At the war's end he came under French protection, and then sought refuge in Cairo to avoid prosecution.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini
 
Damocles said:
Right, which is why they agreed to the earlier accord when the "Palestinians" refused. It doesn't change what I asked earlier. Why should I care in any way what Ban Ki-moon has to say about anything at all?
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Israel's previous "generous offers" were not as generous as the western media likes to make them out to be. They were designed to be refused so that Israel could continue settling the West Bank in preparation for a planned eventual seizure.
 
Jean said:
Israel's previous "generous offers" were not as generous as the western media likes to make them out to be. They were designed to be refused so that Israel could continue settling the West Bank in preparation for a planned eventual seizure.
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I'm talking about the first offer, back in 1948... Israel gave a "yes" the Arab occupiers gave the thumbs down. Ever since then Israel has acted in its own interest as any Nation would do. Why do you think that Israel should be the only nation that must act against its own interests to make you feel better?
 
Jean said:
Israel's previous "generous offers" were not as generous as the western media likes to make them out to be. They were designed to be refused so that Israel could continue settling the West Bank in preparation for a planned eventual seizure.
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So why did Ariel Sharon plan to give back the West Bank as he did with the Gaza Strip? I implore you to read this highly lucid and fascinating article in the Atlantic about Israel and the Palestinians. He gave back Gaza and what did the Palestinians do? Destroy all the vast greenhouses that the settlers left behind and then voted in Hamas, an organisation dedicated to the destruction of Israel!!

http://www.theatlantic.com/internat...d-israel-give-up-territory-after-gaza/244995/

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Damocles said:
Why should any of us care what Ban Ki-Moon says about anything?
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Why should anybody care if the United Nations collapses ?
My take would be that there would be nuclear confrontation shortly thereafter- and to the ' thereafter ' we would all be consigned.
Ban is the chosen spokesperson for that organisation, chosen for his statesmanship and diplomacy. When he speaks out- which is not often- he seldom criticises a state directly unless he believes that the problem is of the greatest concern for all UN member states.
Of course, any state that scorns international law should concern all states- and Israel is a multiple offender.
 
Borboletta said:
God you are truly an imbecile, Mohammed Amin al-Husseini was born in Jerusalem for fucks sake!! Yes he was appointed by the British in 1921, but had to flee in 1937 to evade an arrest warrant issued by the British!!



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini
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You are missing the point, Fool. He wasn't chosen by the Palestinians and so was not representative of the Palestinians, ergo your attempt to somehow equate being Palestinian with Nazis falls flat on its tush. Tough titty, Godwin.
 
Damocles said:
I'm talking about the first offer, back in 1948... Israel gave a "yes" the Arab occupiers gave the thumbs down.
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What sane people would agree to giving over half of their homeland to European incomers ? 1947, incidentally.

Ever since then Israel has acted in its own interest as any Nation would do.
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And so are all Arab states, including Palestine.

Why do you think that Israel should be the only nation that must act against its own interests to make you feel better?
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Yet you expect Arabs to do precisely that.

The solution is in international law. Those that do not comply must suffer the consequences.
 
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