Ban Ki-moon calls Israeli settlement expansion an 'affront' to the world

USFREEDOM911 said:
And if you're not able to see the context, they you're either stupid or willfully ignorant.
I'll leave it up to you, to prove which one you are. :good4u:
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Willful ignorance and stupidity are not my strengths so I'll ask again the question that you HOPE to ignore. What is the context of the word ' Israel ' in the artifact which you cite ?
It's a very reasonable question requiring a satisfactory answer. Surely, you're not going to demonstrate your powers of wilful ignorance over such a triviality ? We'll see.
 
Yes, I don't care that you started playing the American Indian card, or that you consider yourself more indigenous than other people who were born on this continent.
 
Eno L. Camino said:
Yes, I don't care that you started playing the American Indian card, or that you consider yourself more indigenous than other people who were born on this continent.
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You would if the roles were reversed, no doubt.
It seems to me that it's colonial America's buried guilt of what it did to the indigenous North Americans which will result in American support for Palestinian freedom. If you think about it, simply urging the neoZionists to ' kill them off ' or to duplicate the Gaza reservation isn't going to help the USA one little bit in its dealings with the external world. What's your opinion on that ?
 
I don't really believe in wasting our resources on funding an Israeli state which is more than capable of defending itself from both the Palestinian resistance as well as the neighbouring Arab states. As much bitching that many Americans, especially the left, do about Israel, I think that there would be shock and bereavement on the part of thousands if something catastrophic ever befell Israel, and its Jewish population were decimated. Then the real game of finger-pointing would commence.
 
Eno L. Camino said:
I don't really believe in wasting our resources on funding an Israeli state which is more than capable of defending itself from both the Palestinian resistance as well as the neighbouring Arab states. As much bitching that many Americans, especially the left, do about Israel, I think that there would be shock and bereavement on the part of thousands if something catastrophic ever befell Israel, and its Jewish population were decimated. Then the real game of finger-pointing would commence.
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There are many things I dislike about Israel and especially Netanyahu but they are a relative oasis of freedom in a desert of intolerance, religious fundamentalism and overt racism. Can anyone imagine what would happen if Syria had fallen and Daesh controlled the Golan Heights?
 
Eno L. Camino said:
I don't really believe in wasting our resources on funding an Israeli state which is more than capable of defending itself from both the Palestinian resistance as well as the neighbouring Arab states. As much bitching that many Americans, especially the left, do about Israel, I think that there would be shock and bereavement on the part of thousands if something catastrophic ever befell Israel, and its Jewish population were decimated. Then the real game of finger-pointing would commence.
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Israel relies very, very heavily on USA arms, political support and tax-payers money. As America approaches having a Latino majority, a little under thirty years away they say, then that support is going to wither. Don't you think that Israel should start NOW to comply with international law while it still has the opportunity ?
 
moon2012 said:
Israel relies very, very heavily on USA arms, political support and tax-payers money. As America approaches having a Latino majority, a little under thirty years away they say, then that support is going to wither. Don't you think that Israel should start NOW to comply with international law while it still has the opportunity ?
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I don't really see what point there is for them to do so. Europe grows steadily more irrelevant with each passing year, and the world's biggest powers (US, Russia, and China) don't really care much for international law, except for show, or when it benefits their political interests.
 
Borboletta said:
There are many things I dislike about Israel and especially Netanyahu but they are a relative oasis of freedom in a desert of intolerance, religious fundamentalism and overt racism. Can anyone imagine what would happen if Syria had fallen and Daesh controlled the Golan Heights?
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Naivety in full flush. Your government has been attempting to overthrow the Syrians for the past five years - thereby opening the door to maniacal factions- just as it did in Iraq. Israel was safer with Assad biding his time on the Golan, Lelo.
 
Eno L. Camino said:
I don't really see what point there is for them to do so. Europe grows steadily more irrelevant with each passing year, and the world's biggest powers (US, Russia, and China) don't really care much for international law, except for show, or when it benefits their political interests.
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No- peace benefits them all. That's why they erected the UN and maintain it. No law= war= no Israel. NeoZionists are remarkably stupid outside of their tanks.
 
moon2012 said:
Isn't it breathtakingly obvious that neoZionism is a boil on the Middle East's arse and that it has caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people already- including those of thousands of Americans ?
Don't you worry that this brutal regime has covert nuclear weaponry and that it has infiltrated Washington with its agents to the point wherein many Congressmen and Senators actually vote against their own country's best interests ?
Ban is correct. We should all be affronted.
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At least Israel is keeping the muslim hordes in check, we should all be greatful for that - otherwise ISIS or similar would take over
 
Eno L. Camino said:
I don't really believe in wasting our resources on funding an Israeli state which is more than capable of defending itself from both the Palestinian resistance as well as the neighbouring Arab states. As much bitching that many Americans, especially the left, do about Israel, I think that there would be shock and bereavement on the part of thousands if something catastrophic ever befell Israel, and its Jewish population were decimated. Then the real game of finger-pointing would commence.
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The left is projecting when they say other people obsess over Israel, a tiny oasis in a desert of Islamic theocracy and Arab despotism. Whatever else they are, Israel is a fellow liberal democracy and our strongest ally in the region.

We should support them. E.O.D.
 
moon2012 said:
No- peace benefits them all. That's why they erected the UN and maintain it. No law= war= no Israel. NeoZionists are remarkably stupid outside of their tanks.
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How exactly are they going to achieve peace? You think that simply by following a silly set of UN rules that Israel will suddenly fall into a giant pool of peace?
 
Toby451 said:
At least Israel is keeping the muslim hordes in check, we should all be greatful for that - otherwise ISIS or similar would take over
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No- without Zionism there wouldn't be a ' political Islam ' nor ' islamists ' of the variety we are currently experiencing. You can lay the blame for that squarely at the door of the British government of the time and its abrogation of its Mandate for Palestine responsibilities. Introducing a non-muslim state into the heart of Islam was a mistake at best, a calculated strategic failure at worst.
 
Eno L. Camino said:
How exactly are they going to achieve peace? You think that simply by following a silly set of UN rules that Israel will suddenly fall into a giant pool of peace?
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International law will protect Israel when Israel starts to comply with it. Even the Palestinians would feel the need to have a secure neighbor which respected borders, as would Lebanon and Syria. It's neoZionism's hunger for other people's territories which is the root of the problem. They will say that they haveto occupy other people's territory in order to protect themselves. That is a lie. The occupation creates the enemies they fear.
 
moon2012 said:
International law will protect Israel when Israel starts to comply with it. Even the Palestinians would feel the need to have a secure neighbor which respected borders, as would Lebanon and Syria. It's neoZionism's hunger for other people's territories which is the root of the problem.
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How will international law protect Israel? Or Palestine?
 
Eno L. Camino said:
How will international law protect Israel? Or Palestine?
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For starters- Israel doesn't have any legal borders at this point in time. Some experts in international law state that Israel's only legal claim to territory is the division of Palestine described under UNGAR 181 of 1947. Any other territory it occupies has been taken by force- which is not permissible under the UN Charter. So- and all supporters of passive Zionism ought to grasp this- when the international community recognises Palestine's borders on the pre-1967 line- which the overwhelming majority do- then they are also recognising Israel's borders on the pre-1967 line. This is vastly more territory than was offered to Israel under Resolution 181 and they are actingly remarkably stupidly in turning it down.
The trouble is that neoZionists believe that they will achieve their ' dream ' a ' Greater Israel' if they just keep on doing what they do, with US support. That's not going to happen. The brakes are being applied.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
The left is projecting when they say other people obsess over Israel, a tiny oasis in a desert of Islamic theocracy and Arab despotism. Whatever else they are, Israel is a fellow liberal democracy and our strongest ally in the region.

We should support them. E.O.D.
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Nazis support Nazis, decent people want the destruction of this child-murdering racist state.
 
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