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this response by spazzfreak was SEVENTEEN HOURS after my post. i don't respond to his posts for a couple of hours because i'm not online and he claims i'm running or hiding. what does that say about your 17 hours SF?

:lol:

bump for posterity

 

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I'm clueless

i already said that

 

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i already said that

LOL

Like I said....translation: nothing.

 

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LOL

Like I said....translation: nothing.

ok, if you insist. but you do realize that means for all the times (basically everytime) i ask you to substantiate something and you don't, that you have nothing.

good job moron. it is so easy to lead you down a certain path on which you will hang yourself with your own words. you would make the dumbest witness on the stand ever.

 

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LMAO.... so it is 'historical FACT' that the Muslims are wrong and that their religion is just a counterfeit? A fraud?

Whatever Ditzie. You are a bigot. That is the only FACT you confirmed.

I don't know, you seem to be pretty bigoted in your view as well. Yes, pretty much, historical fact tells us that it was thousands of years after Judaism that Islam was created, and the rest is being objective and putting two and two together.

You have provided NO proof. You simply keep stating, but but but Islam came centuries later.

Because it came centuries later! What is "proof?" ....something I can show you that will change your mind and convince you I am right? I doubt that sort of "proof" exists, and as bigoted as you have been, I doubt you could bring yourself to acknowledge it if it did. I provided EVIDENCE, and if you wish to ignore it and remain in the dark, that is entirely up to you, I can't make you believe something you don't want to believe.

You ignore consistently the FACT that Christianity ALSO borrowed from religions that preceded it.

It's not that Islam "borrowed from" other religions... Islam copied Christianity, almost to the letter, and altered the intentions, motivations, and fundamental principles of the religion, creating a religion of hate, revenge, death, and retribution. The diametric opposite of Christianity.

You also ignore the FACT that the Jews and Muslims BOTH believe in the God of Abraham.

I have never ignored the fact that Muslims CLAIM to believe in the God of Abraham. Again, I did offer evidence that Allah is not the same thing as God, according to their own religious teachings. I also offered up glaring contradictions in what they understand as God and what Christians understand as God, and there is no way to reconcile the differences and be talking about the same entity. They tell you that they believe in the same "God of Abraham" but this is a lie, and you being the gullible and clueless idiot you are, swallow the lie and persist on defending the lie here in this thread. Maybe Allah will reserve some virgins for you, SF?

You think that because you stomp your feet and scream that they CANNOT be the same entity that somehow makes it true.

Again, you are the only one I see stomping feet and demanding we just accept your word on things. I demonstrated how they can't possibly be the same entity, it defies any understanding of logic we know. Do you honestly believe the Christian's God told Abraham to kill all the Jews? Do you believe the God which Jesus spoke of, is the same God who mandates homosexuals be put to death, and women who "allow" themselves to be RAPED should be stoned? Does that sound like the same entity to you? Like I said, unless you think the God of Abraham has split personality disorder, you can't possibly conclude God and Allah are the same.

You 'justify' your position that it is a 'different' entity by stating 'they believe other stuff that contradicts Christians' while IGNORING the FACT that Judaism and Christianity ALSO have vast differences in their beliefs, yet somehow THEIR God is the same.

As ID pointed out, the main difference in Christians and Jews is the understanding or acknowledgement of Jesus Christ's role. The same can be said of Catholics and Christians, or Catholics and Jews, but none of these religions has a twisted and perverted understanding of God, like the Muslims. You don't see Catholics and Christians waging Jihad against the Jews to kill them, because their God told them to! You don't see Catholics and Christians, OR JEWS, stoning women to death for promiscuity or sawing people's heads off while praising God. No, their Gods are NOT the SAME! You can stomp your feet and preach Islam all you like, they still won't be the SAME!

You just hate Muslims and have shown that to be the case time and time again. You are the worst of what America has to offer as you are the very arrogant bigot that stands out for others to say 'see, you Americans are idiots'. Then the rest of us have to try and prove that we are not the same type of ass clown you are.

And you are a blind ignorant fool who has bought into a lie, and continue to make things easier for the Muslims, who intend to kill every Jew and Christian on the planet before they are done. I don't HATE anyone, including Muslims... I believe their religion is a fraud, and they must be stopped before they kill off the Christians and Jews, but that doesn't mean I HATE them. You, like so many other pinheads, have bought into the LIE that "Islam is a religion of peace" when nothing could be further from the truth. YOU want us all to hold hands and accept each other as equals, but as I have shown you, that will never happen with Muslims, as they want every Jew and Christian DEAD! They want their families DEAD! This is what THEIR "God of Abraham" said for them to do! And apparently, you believe this is legitimate, because here you are, defending the religion to the hilt, and putting it on the same level as Christianity.

As I said... Maybe Allah has some virgins waiting for you, SF? You've been a good little Mooslem here, defending Islam.

 

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show me where in the jewish texts is says god does not have a son. show me a jewish prophet who said god does not have son.

ROFLMAO....

Are you now suggesting that the Jewish people believe God has a son??? Seriously?

i notice you also, again, ignore the bulk of my response. apparently i have to keep repeating that it isn't just about whether jesus is god or god has a son. you are so desperate and intolerant of my beliefs, that you refuse to acknowledge anything other than this one issue. you want to bury your head in the sand and claim that this is the only difference between allah and god. you ignore the vast difference between god in the jewish and christian texts and allah in the quran. you ignore how vast the changes islam made to the jewish belief and the christian belief.

I do not dispute there are wide variances among ALL three religions yurt. You still don't get it do you? There are WIDE DIFFERENCES in the three FAITHS. There are also similarities between the religions. But YOU proclaim that Muslims do not believe in the God of Abraham due to the differences they have with the other two. At the same time you IGNORE the fact that Judaism and Christianity ALSO have wide variances in beliefs.

You point out the similarities between Jews and Christians, yet ignore the FACT that Islam has much in common with Christianity as well.

Saying 'I believe 'x' and I think 'y' is wrong' is not why makes you a bigot. It is the FACT that you hold Islam to a different standard than the others. You then use that different standard to proclaim they do not believe in the God THEY SAY THEY BELIEVE IN, because of YOUR STANDARD. THAT is what makes you a bigot.

You then continue to come back and ask me if I condemn 1.2 BILLION Muslims to ONE quote. A quote that does not say the same thing you keep saying. Muslims believe that Abraham's God is the God of all three religions. They just think the Christians and Jews wrote the story down wrong and that explains the differences in the religions.

 

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ok, if you insist. but you do realize that means for all the times (basically everytime) i ask you to substantiate something and you don't, that you have nothing.

good job moron. it is so easy to lead you down a certain path on which you will hang yourself with your own words. you would make the dumbest witness on the stand ever.

So, when you said I was "cornered" again, you meant "all the times (basically everytime)"?

Got it. Bad, bad day for Yurt.

This is way too easy....

 

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so you are bumping your own stupidity now?

 

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So, when you said I was "cornered" again, you meant "all the times (basically everytime)"?

Got it. Bad, bad day for Yurt.

This is way too easy....

holy crap. your reading comprehension truly sucks. no wonder you run around claiming everyone else can't read.

when talked about "basically every time" it was about asking you to substantiate something, i wasn't talking about cornered.

good lord.

 

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so you are bumping your own stupidity now?

bumping a post showing you claimed i ran away when i was offline for a few hours, and then you don't respond for 17 hours is my stupidity?

lmao. you are as deluded as your hero onceler.

 

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ROFLMAO....

Are you now suggesting that the Jewish people believe God has a son??? Seriously?



I do not dispute there are wide variances among ALL three religions yurt. You still don't get it do you? There are WIDE DIFFERENCES in the three FAITHS. There are also similarities between the religions. But YOU proclaim that Muslims do not believe in the God of Abraham due to the differences they have with the other two. At the same time you IGNORE the fact that Judaism and Christianity ALSO have wide variances in beliefs.

You point out the similarities between Jews and Christians, yet ignore the FACT that Islam has much in common with Christianity as well.

Saying 'I believe 'x' and I think 'y' is wrong' is not why makes you a bigot. It is the FACT that you hold Islam to a different standard than the others. You then use that different standard to proclaim they do not believe in the God THEY SAY THEY BELIEVE IN, because of YOUR STANDARD. THAT is what makes you a bigot.

You then continue to come back and ask me if I condemn 1.2 BILLION Muslims to ONE quote. A quote that does not say the same thing you keep saying. Muslims believe that Abraham's God is the God of all three religions. They just think the Christians and Jews wrote the story down wrong and that explains the differences in the religions.

so you can't show me a quote from text or a prophet.

thanks.

you lose

 

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holy crap. your reading comprehension truly sucks. no wonder you run around claiming everyone else can't read.

when talked about "basically every time" it was about asking you to substantiate something, i wasn't talking about cornered.

good lord.

Uh, no. But you did say "cornered" before, which is what I was specifically asking about.

Are you able to tell me what I was "cornered" about, or is this yet another example of textbook Yurtsie goalpost-moving & distraction?

 

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I don't know, you seem to be pretty bigoted in your view as well. Yes, pretty much, historical fact tells us that it was thousands of years after Judaism that Islam was created, and the rest is being objective and putting two and two together.

ROFLMAO... Christianity was written thousands of years after other religions it borrowed stories from. Yet your putting two and two together doesn't equate them to a fraud. The timing of the religions is 100% irrelevant when it comes to 'proving' whether a religion is a fraud or not. Who cares if Islam is different from Christianity in its stories? BOTH religions texts were written by MEN. Which means BOTH are fallible as we both know there are no perfect people. We all inject our own opinions into the discussions and stories we tell.

Because it came centuries later! What is "proof?" ....something I can show you that will change your mind and convince you I am right? I doubt that sort of "proof" exists, and as bigoted as you have been, I doubt you could bring yourself to acknowledge it if it did. I provided EVIDENCE, and if you wish to ignore it and remain in the dark, that is entirely up to you, I can't make you believe something you don't want to believe.

Again the timing of when it began is irrelevant. Just because something came AFTER something else doesn't automatically make the former better or worse than the latter. Two cases in point. Software upgrades come out and typically the NEW version is better than the old. Same for computers and other technologies. The newer versions are BASED on the old one, yet improved upon. In another case we have NEW Coke. Obviously that was a complete failure in replacing the preceding version.

You have not shown ANY evidence. You have simply stated your OPINION.

It's not that Islam "borrowed from" other religions... Islam copied Christianity, almost to the letter, and altered the intentions, motivations, and fundamental principles of the religion, creating a religion of hate, revenge, death, and retribution. The diametric opposite of Christianity.

LMAO.... the above is again YOUR BIGOTRY. YOU are simply Proclaiming that Islam is a religion of hate, revenge, death, retribution. Yet you ignore the one VERY SIMPLE FACT that dispels that myth.

There are 1.2 BILLION Muslims in this world. If they were really all about hate, revenge, death and retribution..... why is it that the rest of us are still here? Why is it they haven't risen up as one and taken the rest of us out? Especially Israel who the radicals do hate? If SO many Muslims were all about the things YOU proclaim they are about... do you honestly believe they aren't capable of having caused MASS destruction at this point?

If they all REALLY believed in Martyrdom etc.... why haven't the nukes in Pakistan been used?

You never think things through ditzie. You just spout off the hatred of a bigot. You make your proclamations based on the actions of the radical minority of Islam.

I have never ignored the fact that Muslims CLAIM to believe in the God of Abraham. Again, I did offer evidence that Allah is not the same thing as God, according to their own religious teachings. I also offered up glaring contradictions in what they understand as God and what Christians understand as God, and there is no way to reconcile the differences and be talking about the same entity. They tell you that they believe in the same "God of Abraham" but this is a lie, and you being the gullible and clueless idiot you are, swallow the lie and persist on defending the lie here in this thread. Maybe Allah will reserve some virgins for you, SF?

Again ditzie, this is where you and yurt continue to FAIL. There is NO way to reconcile the differences between Christianity and Judaism either. There is no way to reconcile the differences within each of the three religions. Yet somehow you pretend that the differences between Muslims and Christians means THEY believe in different Gods, yet everyone else believes in the SAME God despite their differences.

Again, you are the only one I see stomping feet and demanding we just accept your word on things. I demonstrated how they can't possibly be the same entity, it defies any understanding of logic we know. Do you honestly believe the Christian's God told Abraham to kill all the Jews? Do you believe the God which Jesus spoke of, is the same God who mandates homosexuals be put to death, and women who "allow" themselves to be RAPED should be stoned? Does that sound like the same entity to you? Like I said, unless you think the God of Abraham has split personality disorder, you can't possibly conclude God and Allah are the same.

No ditzie.... I believe that each of the three religious texts were written by MEN. I have stated this many times. I believe that those men who wrote the stories injected their own views into the stories. That is why you have differences in the 4 Gospels in the Bible. That is why there are discrepancies in the old and new testaments. That is why there are discrepancies between Muslim and Jew, Muslim and Christian and Christian and Jew.

As ID pointed out, the main difference in Christians and Jews is the understanding or acknowledgement of Jesus Christ's role. The same can be said of Catholics and Christians, or Catholics and Jews, but none of these religions has a twisted and perverted understanding of God, like the Muslims. You don't see Catholics and Christians waging Jihad against the Jews to kill them, because their God told them to! You don't see Catholics and Christians, OR JEWS, stoning women to death for promiscuity or sawing people's heads off while praising God. No, their Gods are NOT the SAME! You can stomp your feet and preach Islam all you like, they still won't be the SAME!

And as I pointed out to her.... there are FAR more differences than just the understanding of Christs role. You keep stating that only the Muslims differences are perverted. Yet again, neither of us knows. Neither of us has spoken to God. Neither of us was there when the books were written or the events happened. THAT is why it is all called FAITH. Not FACT. A point you cannot seem to comprehend.

And you are a blind ignorant fool who has bought into a lie, and continue to make things easier for the Muslims, who intend to kill every Jew and Christian on the planet before they are done. I don't HATE anyone, including Muslims... I believe their religion is a fraud, and they must be stopped before they kill off the Christians and Jews, but that doesn't mean I HATE them. You, like so many other pinheads, have bought into the LIE that "Islam is a religion of peace" when nothing could be further from the truth. YOU want us all to hold hands and accept each other as equals, but as I have shown you, that will never happen with Muslims, as they want every Jew and Christian DEAD! They want their families DEAD! This is what THEIR "God of Abraham" said for them to do! And apparently, you believe this is legitimate, because here you are, defending the religion to the hilt, and putting it on the same level as Christianity.

thank you again for showing what a bigot you truly are. Again.... if they ALL wanted us dead as you proclaimed..... if all 1.2 Billion of them were plotting to kill us.... why is it that so relatively few have tried?

 

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so you can't show me a quote from text or a prophet.

thanks.

you lose

Wow... you truly are a coward... not to mention completely devoid of even a shred of honesty.

How is it that I am to show you a passage that doesn't exist? The Jews do NOT believe Christ was the son of god. Period. Nor do the Muslims.

Please, do go on avoiding any real discussion Yurt.... we know you are in full spaz mode and incapable of any honest discussion. I pointed out all the flaws in your argument and your response is the nonsense above.

 

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Wow... you truly are a coward... not to mention completely devoid of even a shred of honesty.

How is it that I am to show you a passage that doesn't exist? The Jews do NOT believe Christ was the son of god. Period. Nor do the Muslims.

Please, do go on avoiding any real discussion Yurt.... we know you are in full spaz mode and incapable of any honest discussion. I pointed out all the flaws in your argument and your response is the nonsense above.

thank you for admitting that no jewish texts or quotes from prophets exist in the jewish faith that claim god does not have son. that is a huge difference compared to what muhammad/quran claim.

you really lost this one big time. i suggest moving on.

 

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Uh, no. But you did say "cornered" before, which is what I was specifically asking about.

Are you able to tell me what I was "cornered" about, or is this yet another example of textbook Yurtsie goalpost-moving & distraction?

why should i tell you anything, when you never reciprocate when i ask the same of you?

 

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why should i tell you anything, when you never reciprocate when i ask the same of you?

And again, we're back to...translation: nothing.

Thanks for that.

 

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thank you for admitting that no jewish texts or quotes from prophets exist in the jewish faith that claim god does not have son. that is a huge difference compared to what muhammad/quran claim.

you really lost this one big time. i suggest moving on.

Wow... you truly are a coward... not to mention completely devoid of even a shred of honesty.

How is it that I am to show you a passage that doesn't exist? The Jews do NOT believe Christ was the son of god. Period. Nor do the Muslims.

Please, do go on avoiding any real discussion Yurt.... we know you are in full spaz mode and incapable of any honest discussion. I pointed out all the flaws in your argument and your response is the nonsense above.

 

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LMAO.... so it is 'historical FACT' that the Muslims are wrong and that their religion is just a counterfeit? A fraud?

Whatever Ditzie. You are a bigot. That is the only FACT you confirmed.

You have provided NO proof. You simply keep stating, but but but Islam came centuries later. You ignore consistently the FACT that Christianity ALSO borrowed from religions that preceded it. You also ignore the FACT that the Jews and Muslims BOTH believe in the God of Abraham. You think that because you stomp your feet and scream that they CANNOT be the same entity that somehow makes it true. You 'justify' your position that it is a 'different' entity by stating 'they believe other stuff that contradicts Christians' while IGNORING the FACT that Judaism and Christianity ALSO have vast differences in their beliefs, yet somehow THEIR God is the same.

You just hate Muslims and have shown that to be the case time and time again. You are the worst of what America has to offer as you are the very arrogant bigot that stands out for others to say 'see, you Americans are idiots'. Then the rest of us have to try and prove that we are not the same type of ass clown you are.

Muslims believe that the God they worship is YHWH. Jews and Christians don't believe in the stuff that Muslims added to the record of YHWH's actions. It's pretty obtuse to argue that, from the perspective of Muslims, they aren't worshipping YHWH. Of course they are. Recognizing that doesn't require you to accept their additions, nor is it disrespectful to the God you believe exists just to recognize that other people view him differently.

 

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You should keep that hand over your face given how much you have embarrassed yourself.

You don't even understand what people are arguing. The above nonsense you posted shows that.

Muslims: God of Abraham does not have son
Jews: God of Abraham does not have a son
Christians: God of Abraham is three in one, Father son and Holy Spirit.

Yurt: Jews and Christians believe in the SAME God, yet Muslims altered God.

yet poor little Yurt STILL cannot see that his 'logic' is severely flawed. which one of the above is not like the others Yurt?

Meh, a lot of Christians dislike Muslims a great deal, but they don't dislike Jews that much.

It's sort of like J.K. Rowling wrote Harry Potter, Person #2 wrote a Harry Potter fan fiction, and Person #3 wrote a Harry Potter fan fiction which included the canon of the previous HP's. Who is the true Harry Potter?!

The trinity, to me, has always seemed like a pretty absurd doctrine; there are three entities, but they're all one God. Why? It's a mystery! Just seems like a desperate attempt to promote your prophet to Godhood without losing the cache that comes from being able to call your religion Monotheistic. There've been some attempts to more rationally rectify it, by saying that Jesus and the Holy Spirit were manifestations of God. But nope, we're just going to stick with "it's a mystery! Of course it's like this way?! How dare you question God?!" Honestly, where did the Holy Spirit even come from? What does the Holy Spirit do? It's like in the Planeteer's, there were four people with the awesome powers of Earth, Fire, Wind, and Water, and then there was a fifth who was stuck with Heart. The Holy Spirit drew "Heart". Tough luck.

Christian conceptions of "The Devil" are also a concept that's almost completely un-biblical in nature. They have their Harry Potter fanfiction, but they have to make up a new villian as well and pretend that he absolutely exists. Identifications with Satan and Lucifer in the old testament are, in fact, erroneous. And it's just funny, because Christian treat the Devil as if he's an omni-present force. They blame everything on him. A huge part of their theology, which they basically made up.