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Meh, a lot of Christians dislike Muslims a great deal, but they don't dislike Jews that much.

It's sort of like J.K. Rowling wrote Harry Potter, Person #2 wrote a Harry Potter fan fiction, and Person #3 wrote a Harry Potter fan fiction which included the canon of the previous HP's. Who is the true Harry Potter?!

The trinity, to me, has always seemed like a pretty absurd doctrine; there are three entities, but they're all one God. Why? It's a mystery! Just seems like a desperate attempt to promote your prophet to Godhood without losing the cache that comes from being able to call your religion Monotheistic. There've been some attempts to more rationally rectify it, by saying that Jesus and the Holy Spirit were manifestations of God. But nope, we're just going to stick with "it's a mystery! Of course it's like this way?! How dare you question God?!" Honestly, where did the Holy Spirit even come from? What does the Holy Spirit do? It's like in the Planeteer's, there were four people with the awesome powers of Earth, Fire, Wind, and Water, and then there was a fifth who was stuck with Heart. The Holy Spirit drew "Heart". Tough luck.

Christian conceptions of "The Devil" are also a concept that's almost completely un-biblical in nature. They have their Harry Potter fanfiction, but they have to make up a new villian as well and pretend that he absolutely exists. Identifications with Satan and Lucifer in the old testament are, in fact, erroneous. And it's just funny, because Christian treat the Devil as if he's an omni-present force. They blame everything on him. A huge part of their theology, which they basically made up.

I disagree on your comments about the devil being "unscriptural". Jesus mentioned him and dealt with him in the wilderness. Jesus also cast out Satan from people. You may not believe it, but I don't think you can say it's "unscriptural" when actually the devil is mentioned in scrupture. James also said in his Epistle "Resist the devil and he will flee from you". That's scripture.

 

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And again, we're back to...translation: nothing.

Thanks for that.

great, so every time you've claimed something of me and don't back it up, according to YOU, you have nothing. and i'm not surprised you didn't answer the question. thus, you have nothing. LOL. can't even answer a simple question, runs away and rinse and repeat.

you're too dumb to know that you hang yourself with your own logic.

 

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great, so every time you've claimed something of me and don't back it up, according to YOU, you have nothing. and i'm not surprised you didn't answer the question. thus, you have nothing. LOL. can't even answer a simple question, runs away and rinse and repeat.

you're too dumb to know that you hang yourself with your own logic.

Can't even answer a simple question..do you mean like "what did you corner me with?" No worries. I know why you can't answer that one.

And it's ridiculous to say that I don't back up anything. Really, I can't help it if you plug up your ears and go "Nyah, nyah, nyah" when I do...

 

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Wow... you truly are a coward... not to mention completely devoid of even a shred of honesty.

How is it that I am to show you a passage that doesn't exist? The Jews do NOT believe Christ was the son of god. Period. Nor do the Muslims.

Please, do go on avoiding any real discussion Yurt.... we know you are in full spaz mode and incapable of any honest discussion. I pointed out all the flaws in your argument and your response is the nonsense above.

thank you for admitting the jews did not change god with their texts or their prophets. thus, your ridiculous attempt to equivocate islam and judaism has no merit. i've been trying to explain this to you for days.

now you've got it, but of course you're too stubborn to admit it.

you have not pointed out a single flaw. whereas i have trounced your bullshit claim that i'm a bigot. and when i use your logic against you, you run away and claim it doesn't apply. you're a dishonest hack. simple as that. and really a guy who runs all over the forum nagging me about this issue, typing full sentences in caps over and over, using dozens of question marks at the end of those sentences.........has no business telling anyone else they are spazz.

LOL

 

[Rune]

Yurt is in full retard mode.

 

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this is superspazz, duncler and retard of dune's logic:

person A - god is A, B, C, D, E, F, has done G, H, I, J

person B - god is R, S, T, U, V, W, C, D has done X, Y, Z

conclusion, the god described by person A and B is the same.

once again for the slow, onceler, dune, SF.

of course both onceler and dune have to hide behind SF's skirts because they are too chicken to step up and try to defend their positions. how does it feel with those two hiding behind your skirts SF? does it give you a tingle up your leg?

 

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Yurt is in full retard mode.

dune is a coward who must hide behind SF's skirt and lob insults while hiding behind SF.

you couldn't debate your way out of a wet paper bag.

 

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once again for the slow, onceler, dune, SF.

of course both onceler and dune have to hide behind SF's skirts because they are too chicken to step up and try to defend their positions. how does it feel with those two hiding behind your skirts SF? does it give you a tingle up your leg?

The really sad part is that you have no idea just how fucking retarded this is....

Quote Originally Posted by Yurt View Post
this is superspazz, duncler and retard of dune's logic:

person A - god is A, B, C, D, E, F, has done G, H, I, J

person B - god is R, S, T, U, V, W, C, D has done X, Y, Z

conclusion, the god described by person A and B is the same.

Like I stated, you are a fucking coward. A retarded one at that. You talk about others being to chicken to step up and defend their positions and yet you REFUSE to defend yours.

 

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JUDAISM
- says that no human or God can ever die for the sins of others
CHRISTIANITY
- says that Jesus died for the sins of mankind

JUDAISM
- says that all humans are born neutral, and that sin is a choice.
CHRISTIANITY
- says that all humans are born with 'original sin'.


JUDAISM
- says that 'God' would never allow/enable a 'virgin birth', and most Jews believe this idea was borrowed from Greek and Egyptian religion
CHRISTIANITY
- says that Mary gave birth, though a virgin


JUDAISM
- says that a messia must do the job in one 'coming'.
CHRISTIANITY
- says that Jesus will have a 'second coming'


JUDAISM
- says that every human should speak directly to God
CHRISTIANITY
- Jesus claims in the 'new testament' that the 'only way' to God is via him


JUDAISM
- says God is one, indivisible cannot be separated into three aspects/incarnations
CHRISTIANITY
- speaks of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit


JUDAISM
- says that we are ALL equally 'God's children
CHRISTIANITY
- says that Jesus was 'god's son' above all others


JUDAISM
- has no concept of 'hell', and in fact, there is no actually Hebrew word for Hell
CHRISTIANITY
- Some Christians believe that non believers go to 'hell'. Some believe that Hell is eternal, others believe that there will be a final redemption of everyone. A very small minority of Christians believe that Jews can avoid Hell by following all of their commandments.


JUDAISM
- has no 'devil', the Jewish 'Satan' is just an ordinary angel, under God's control. There is no Hebrew word for devil (except in Modern Hebrew) and the Hebrew word for Satan is not a name: it is the word 'adversary'.
CHRISTIANITY
- describes 'Satan' as a devil and 'fallen' angel. Some Christian denominations attribute to Satan a lot of independent power, making him into an evil lesser god.

JUDAISM
- the 'messiah' will be a normal, mortal man who must fulfill all the Jewish messianic prophecies in one normal, mortal lifetime. Some Jews believe this is not meant to be an actual person, but a metaphor for a future time of peace. Other Jews believe with perfect faith that a flesh and blood messiah will come.
CHRISTIANITY
- Jesus was the 'messiah' and will fulfill the prophecies when he returns.


JUDAISM
- says that the righteous of ALL faiths will reach 'gan eden' or 'Garden of Eden'. In fact, Judaism is the only known religion in the world that teaches it's easier for non-members of the faith to attain redemption, than it is for members of the faith.
CHRISTIANITY
- Some Christians insist that only those who 'know Christ' can reach heaven. Others believe that Christ can be understood in different ways, and still bring about redemption. Some Christians do not like terms like religion and Christian because they do not believe that their faith constitutes a religion.

Clearly the two religions differ on many core beliefs. Again, remember there are many other differences; this is only a partial list.

It is, of course, true that Christianity began life as a tiny fringe sect within Judaism. But the followers of Jesus were not 'Christians' in the sense that we use that word today. Many of the Christian doctrines did not develop until much, much later, by which time Christianity was already an entirely non Jewish faith.

The final and irrevocable parting of the ways between the faiths came when Christians deified Jesus. At this point, Christianity was endorsing a belief that is blasphemy for any Jew, because in Judaism, no human can ever be 'divine' or on a par with God.

The Jewish messiah does not have a 'first' or 'second coming'. The Jewish messiah will be a normal human man. He will be born normally, will live and marry and have children probably, and he will die.

Yet Yurt thinks they have the SAME God.... how can they have the SAME God yurt? Its like you are saying.....

person A - god is A, B, C, D, E, F, has done G, H, I, J

person B - god is R, S, T, U, V, W, C, D has done X, Y, Z

conclusion, the god described by person A and B is the same.

How fucking retarded are you Yurt?

 

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Scriptural: The Koran itself in several places insists that its God is the same as the God of Judaism and Christianity. The most direct statement is one in which Muslims are admonished to tell Jews and Christians "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you; our God and your God is One, and to Him we do submit" (E.H. Palmer translation of Sura 29:46) Of course, the verse can also be rendered "our Allah and your Allah is One" (as it is in the notorious Abdullah Yusuf Ali translation)

 

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so because the quran says so, it must be true? allah and god are not the same. allah does not have a son.

Post #146 is above....

Yurt states Allah and God are not the same, because Allah does not have a son.

Jews believe that God does not have a son, yet their God is somehow NOT changed?

Yet yurt cannot and will not answer WHY one 'alters' God, but the other does not.

 

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yurts spazzing further: that is different than allah. the jews simply rejected the messiah (meaning it is OK that they don't believe God had a Son). muhammad completely altered god (apparently to Yurt Mohammad is more powerful than God) and altered the OT (ok, they have a different STORY...Not a different GOD). therefore, they are not the same god (yurt's attempt at logic= FAIL). christianity does not alter the OT (yeah, they just added the entire NT....)

Good old spaz.... he is quite good at providing comedy...

 

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Yurt in full spaz mode: wrong again. one is expanding on god, the other is completely altering god (again... how do you alter an all powerful being if you are a mere mortal). if you actually took the time to compare allah with god from the OT and the NT you would realize how dumb you are for saying they are the same (HERE we shall ignore that the God from the Old testament and the God from the New Testament are also very different). christianity did not change the OT, quite the contrast to islam which changed many important tenets of the OT and the NT, well, pretty much ignores the NT. i suspect you have done very little research of your own and instead rely on the opinion of others. i've read much of the quran, many hadiths. i suggest you do the same and then get back to me. (now Yurt attempts to show us just how 'intelligent' he is.... unfortunately his bigoted posts reveal just how ignorant he actually is)

Pure comedy Yurtsie.

 

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The really sad part is that you have no idea just how fucking retarded this is....



Like I stated, you are a fucking coward. A retarded one at that. You talk about others being to chicken to step up and defend their positions and yet you REFUSE to defend yours.

Yet Yurt thinks they have the SAME God.... how can they have the SAME God yurt? Its like you are saying.....



How fucking retarded are you Yurt?

Scriptural: The Koran itself in several places insists that its God is the same as the God of Judaism and Christianity. The most direct statement is one in which Muslims are admonished to tell Jews and Christians "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you; our God and your God is One, and to Him we do submit" (E.H. Palmer translation of Sura 29:46) Of course, the verse can also be rendered "our Allah and your Allah is One" (as it is in the notorious Abdullah Yusuf Ali translation)

Post #146 is above....

Yurt states Allah and God are not the same, because Allah does not have a son.

Jews believe that God does not have a son, yet their God is somehow NOT changed?

Yet yurt cannot and will not answer WHY one 'alters' God, but the other does not.

Good old spaz.... he is quite good at providing comedy...

Pure comedy Yurtsie.

^ perfect example of a spazz meltdown ^ 6 posts in a row spazzing because i won't fall for his bullshit.

i love how SF uses circular reasoning.....well the quran says they are the same, therefore, they are the same. your logical fallacies are boring, your insults are lame, your logic is absurd. and your false claim i don't answer the question is tiring. i've answered it multiple times, you just don't like my answer. you go so far as to delete my answer from a post and then claim i didn't give you and answer. you've gone over the edge.

but i will give you credit for backing down from your bigot stance. that was pretty dumb. we could argue ad nauseum about whether i'm correct or you are correct, however, you are incapable of seeing any other viewpoint once you dig your heels in. and of course you will spazz out by simply quoting what i said and not countering it, but merely claiming i'm a spazz. it is clear you can't offer any more, you lost the point about 1. bigot, 2. jewish religions says god does not have a son, as you can't point to any text or prophet proclamation.

you will likely hang on to my on ankle for dear life and not let this go, chase me around the forum. so, have the last word SF.

 

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^ perfect example of a spazz meltdown ^

i love how SF uses circular reasoning.....well the quran says they are the same, therefore, they are the same. your logical fallacies are boring, your insults are lame, your logic is absurd. and your false claim i don't answer the question is tiring. i've answered it multiple times, you just don't like my answer. you go so far as to delete my answer from a post and then claim i didn't give you and answer. you've gone over the edge.

but i will give you credit for backing down from your bigot stance. that was pretty dumb. we could argue ad nauseum about whether i'm correct or you are correct, however, you are incapable of seeing any other viewpoint once you dig your heels in. and of course you will spazz out by simply quoting what i said and not countering it, but merely claiming i'm a spazz. it is clear you can't offer any more, you lost the point about 1. bigot, 2. jewish religions says god does not have a son, as you can't point to any text or prophet proclamation.

you will likely hang on to my on ankle for dear life and not let this go, chase me around the forum. so, have the last word SF.

LMAO.... WHERE did I change my stance on you being a bigot? You are a bigot.

Once again we can all see that you are too afraid to actually address the stupidity of your previous posts.

1) The Jews DO NOT BELIEVE GOD HAS A SON..... Period. You fucking imbecile. Just because their is not a passage that says 'God does not have son' doesn't change what they believe. The entire bullshit about finding a passage from their texts was YOUR bullshit spin away from the FACT that Muslims and Jews BOTH believe that God does not have a son.

2) You are most definitely a bigot for all the reasons I documented on this thread that you CONTINUE to run away from

You are a fucking coward and a bigot, as I stated. You fucking retard.

 

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LMAO.... WHERE did I change my stance on you being a bigot? You are a bigot.

Once again we can all see that you are too afraid to actually address the stupidity of your previous posts.

1) The Jews DO NOT BELIEVE GOD HAS A SON..... Period. You fucking imbecile. Just because their is not a passage that says 'God does not have son' doesn't change what they believe. The entire bullshit about finding a passage from their texts was YOUR bullshit spin away from the FACT that Muslims and Jews BOTH believe that God does not have a son.

2) You are most definitely a bigot for all the reasons I documented on this thread that you CONTINUE to run away from

You are a fucking coward and a bigot, as I stated. You fucking retard.

You and I have crossed swords in the past and doubtless will do so again, but for the sake of sanity, put this fool, Yurt, on ignore. Life on this forum is so much better without him.

 

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^ perfect example of a spazz meltdown ^ 6 posts in a row spazzing because i won't fall for his bullshit.

i love how SF uses circular reasoning.....well the quran says they are the same, therefore, they are the same.

He and myself are approaching it from the perspective that it's all fiction, so it really doesn't matter. If one prophet claims to come in and add on to it, it's little different than other patterns we've seen before. If the Quaran says they're the same, it is, again, like a Harry Potter fan fiction writer claiming to continue the story. Yeah, whatever.

Of course, from your perspective, he exists, and is exactly the God of Christianity. Saying that Allah is the same God would be somewhat of a recognition of the validity of Islam. Which is why a lot of Christians don't like to say it. From a value loaded perspective, yeah, they can be different things. A liberal and a conservative can both literally believe in the same constitution, but deny that the other has the "true" constitution. I am, of course, not asking you to recognize the Muslim God as the same "true" God, just that it's based on the same thing.

your logical fallacies are boring, your insults are lame, your logic is absurd. and your false claim i don't answer the question is tiring. i've answered it multiple times, you just don't like my answer. you go so far as to delete my answer from a post and then claim i didn't give you and answer. you've gone over the edge.

but i will give you credit for backing down from your bigot stance. that was pretty dumb. we could argue ad nauseum about whether i'm correct or you are correct, however, you are incapable of seeing any other viewpoint once you dig your heels in. and of course you will spazz out by simply quoting what i said and not countering it, but merely claiming i'm a spazz. it is clear you can't offer any more, you lost the point about 1. bigot, 2. jewish religions says god does not have a son, as you can't point to any text or prophet proclamation.

you will likely hang on to my on ankle for dear life and not let this go, chase me around the forum. so, have the last word SF.

You can't honestly believe that the old testament was written with a Son of God in mind. It's kind of a big thing to leave out, don't you think? Christianity has sort of bit off a bit more than it could chew in deifying their prophet (although Jesus's semi-mythical nature, contrasted with Muhammad's obvious historicity, does make it easier).

 

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I'm on the side of the truth. Do you people on the left have anything other than smears and lies?

The fact that you constantly have to self-consciously label your beliefs "the truth" over and over again just shows the insecurity of the concept. Do scientists constantly have to remind us all of that most glorious and incontrovertible truth of the Theory of Gravity? Do I look at the ground below my feet and say "Ah, there is much truth to this ground!" No, because the truth of the matter is obvious. The factuality of anything who's proponents need to make a show of its truth should be treated with immediate skepticism.

 

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this is superspazz, duncler and retard of dune's logic:

person A - god is A, B, C, D, E, F, has done G, H, I, J

person B - god is R, S, T, U, V, W, C, D has done X, Y, Z

conclusion, the god described by person A and B is the same.

It's more like:

Person A - God is A, has done D, E

Person B - God is A, B, and C (but really just A!), has done D, E, F, and G

Person C - God is A, has done D, E, F, H, I


Do you think that Jews don't believe that Christians have "changed God?" Try to get some perspective.

 

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There's an important nuance in Islamic teachings on the scripture that accounts for a large amount of the differences. The Quran supposedly the only book that's uncorrupted (for an all-powerful being, God is surprisingly bad at keeping his message in tact). The Torah is recognized, but it's supposed to have been corrupted. Christian traditions are probably given the least respect out of all, because, although a gospel was given to Jesus, the current gospels and New Testament are merely things written by contemporaries of Jesus about his life. They contain portions of his teachings, but the true gospel is lost. The Psalms were supposedly divinely revealed to David, and are largely intact, but portions of them have probably been added on to later.

Anyway, this has the convenient effect of giving the Quran supremacy over all other traditions (although it's not like the Christians didn't do the same thing in giving the NT supremacy over the OT). I think Jewish traditions are probably given more of a fair shake than Christian ones because, at first, Mohammad had tried to convince a community of Jews that he was the Messiah. After they rejected him, he probably largely abandoned the project. His version of the YHWH is also somewhat syncretistic, since he got there by claiming that "Allah" (who was a God in Arabian polytheism) was the same as the Jewish YHWH. But his God seems to be largely based on YHWH, since, like YHWH, he's an all-powerful monotheistic being (which is pretty much as YHWH like as it gets), whereas pagan Allah was one of many God's, had many different consorts, and was associated with djinni's. Using "Allah" was probably simply a method of talking to the pagans.

If the Christians are right, then Mohammad is some nut who said some things about God that weren't true, and Muslims are worshiping a corrupted version of God. If Muslims are right, then they're the same God and Christians are delusional followers of largely corrupted teachings. If the Jews are right, well, I'm not even sure if the Jews think they're right. If I'm right, then I don't give two shits, and I"m just annoyed at both sides inability to see the side of the other.