Why is BP taking all the blame?

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
I'm talking to the originator of this thread. And you live across the ocean, and BP is NOT going to effect your paycheck, so WTF do care so much as if it's on YOUR doorstep!

Bottom line: my points are valid even if you don't like them. And my "caring" is as legitimate as yours...more so because we're talking about a direct threat to a sector of our seafood/coastal areas (NOT just the Florida coast)...which will have some effect at the grocer nationwide.
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tom prendergast said:
This does have a direct effect on both British pensions and financial institutions, as indeed it will also have on Americans as well. The seafood issue is a red herring, no pun intended, because so much comes from SE Asia now, fishermen were already struggling so if anything they are likely to be better off with the compensation payments.

You've got it wrong, Tom. BP investors will be affected, BP employees will be affected, and yes there will be an effect on the economy (ie, stock market), but the entire financial/social structure of England, let alone the UK, will not implode because of this. YOU won't lose your livelihood (unless you are one of the forementioned) and neither will the average schmoe on the street. And your statement regarding the American fishermen in the area is incorrect.....as just today one of the largest clam suppliers for the nation is shutting down until further notice. That's just one example. I strongly suggest you do more research on the subject beside listening to pro-BP talking points.

Just for once, I would like you to outline what you think is a sensible energy policy for the US to pursue rather than just throw your toys out of the pram every time somebody says something you don't like.
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Just once I wish you would stop getting your knickers in a twist and throwing out these bogus smoke screens every blessed time a British business or entity gets criticised by a American for royally fucking up. BP fucks up, gets called on it, and suddenly it's up to ME to provide all the answers to fix the ENTIRE energy policy? We're talking about fixing the current problem, Tom. First, get off your nationalistic horse and honestly deal with reality, and then we can move on to the other subject. Don't try to change the subject and then pretend that is the real focus of the discussion...that's a lame ass tactic we've seen used by our resident neocon parrots for years. It doesn't work for them, and it won't work for you.
 
Damocles said:
BTW - Tom, if you really want to know why BP is taking all the blame, it is because their PR department knows that if they try to defend themselves it will make them look even worse to the public. It is better if they "own up" even if they only had a part in the failure, and to pay. Later the truth can come out and they'll look golden.

Of course the truth isn't going to come out, the only people on the commission are policy wonks and they'll want to protect their own. So the government giving them waivers at every step to do exactly what they did will probably be spoken of only on "Right Wing News" outlets and blogs.
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So far, you've had the President point out that the very agency responsible for monitoring and regulating the oil companies was rift with folks more patronizing than patroling...so a shake up is in the works.

So far, you've have had the involvement of Haliburton and other US entities revealed.

So what is this untold "truth" that you are insinuating?
 
Taichiliberal said:
So far, you've had the President point out that the very agency responsible for monitoring and regulating the oil companies was rift with folks more patronizing than patroling...so a shake up is in the works.

So far, you've have had the involvement of Haliburton and other US entities revealed.

So what is this untold "truth" that you are insinuating?
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During the campaign he specifically said that a shakeup was on the way, instead we got more of the same, until it was found he was an incompetent boob. His appointee had 1 1/2 years to do something, and that is a significant time to make a very strong "shakeup" happen.

This same group that was supposed to be fixed by Obama simply gave waivers to the very drill the blew up, gave them safety awards, and approved anything and everything they wanted. Then when the brown stuff hit the electrical convenience it was suddenly "time" to make the changes...

He didn't even know that his appointee had gotten fired, when asked he was simply at a total loss. This isn't a President that is plugged into anything, he's inept and a sad leader.

Too bad he's too beholden to the unions to suspend the Jones Act so we could have still more ships cleaning it up...

And the "revelation" of Halliburton is rather sad, really. When you heard the people who worked there saying that Halliburton employees argued with BP about safety violations it tends to make you look a bit differently at their actions...

The untold "truth" that I talk about is the complicity of Obama appointees in not only allowing, but rewarding the actions of BP and their cohorts.
 
Damocles said:
During the campaign he specifically said that a shakeup was on the way, instead we got more of the same, until it was found he was an incompetent boob. His appointee had 1 1/2 years to do something, and that is a significant time to make a very strong "shakeup" happen.

This same group that was supposed to be fixed by Obama simply gave waivers to the very drill the blew up, gave them safety awards, and approved anything and everything they wanted. Then when the brown stuff hit the electrical convenience it was suddenly "time" to make the changes...

He didn't even know that his appointee had gotten fired, when asked he was simply at a total loss. This isn't a President that is plugged into anything, he's inept and a sad leader.

Too bad he's too beholden to the unions to suspend the Jones Act so we could have still more ships cleaning it up...

And the "revelation" of Halliburton is rather sad, really. When you heard the people who worked there saying that Halliburton employees argued with BP about safety violations it tends to make you look a bit differently at their actions...

The untold "truth" that I talk about is the complicity of Obama appointees in not only allowing, but rewarding the actions of BP and their cohorts.
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bp may not have been the only company involved with the spill, but they were in charge - bho may be president, but he is not god and has had to depend on subordinates like salazar - maybe he should sack salazar, but then the department of the interior will be an even bigger mess for a while until the new guy can get a grip on it - there is a lot of interior in the u s of a
 
DonQuixote said:
bp may not have been the only company involved with the spill, but they were in charge - bho may be president, but he is not god and has had to depend on subordinates like salazar - maybe he should sack salazar, but then the department of the interior will be an even bigger mess for a while until the new guy can get a grip on it - there is a lot of interior in the u s of a
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Dude, when you're talking during a campaign about specifically overhauling the MMS, and you appoint somebody to do it, 1 1/2 years later they are still doing exactly what they did before (some cases even worse), yeah. That's Obama's fault. You can attempt to deflect onto Salazar (he's at fault too), but the buck for this one really does stop at the desk of the President who promised to overhaul the very office he paid so little attention to that he didn't even know his appointee was being fired...

Salazar isn't fired because he was doing what he was hired to do... unfortunately it wasn't to ensure the promises of the President were kept.
 
IF BP is not found criminally negligent, Anadarko will pay 25% and a Japaneese co 10% also Transocean and Cameron may wind up sharing as well.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
So far, you've had the President point out that the very agency responsible for monitoring and regulating the oil companies was rift with folks more patronizing than patroling...so a shake up is in the works.

So far, you've have had the involvement of Haliburton and other US entities revealed.

So what is this untold "truth" that you are insinuating?
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Damocles said:
During the campaign he specifically said that a shakeup was on the way, instead we got more of the same, until it was found he was an incompetent boob. His appointee had 1 1/2 years to do something, and that is a significant time to make a very strong "shakeup" happen.

True, she screwed up..and now she's being held accountable for it, as Salazaar fired her. Mind you, I didn't here a peep of criticism about her from you or anyone else when the "drill baby, drill" mantra was being bandied about.

This same group that was supposed to be fixed by Obama simply gave waivers to the very drill the blew up, gave them safety awards, and approved anything and everything they wanted. Then when the brown stuff hit the electrical convenience it was suddenly "time" to make the changes...

See above answer.

He didn't even know that his appointee had gotten fired, when asked he was simply at a total loss. This isn't a President that is plugged into anything, he's inept and a sad leader.

Oh puh-leeze, Damo! If you're going to parrot teabagger hyperbole, at least be creative enough to change the writing style. Birnbaum was a lousy pick, and I like others have LONG criticized Obama for not having a heavier hand in restructuring the very organizations that were revamped under the Shrub & company. But I dare say you didn't have the same response time in change of guard when the Shrub had major foul-ups by his appointees (example: Rumsfeld)


Too bad he's too beholden to the unions to suspend the Jones Act so we could have still more ships cleaning it up...

Too bad you have selective amnesia about the party of NO GOPers that bitch and stall about ANY changes from the Obama White House. Given past examples, I could just imagine all the noise if Obama used his Executive mandate to just by-pass the Jones Act (I could just hear Peter King going on about Homeland Security issues). But as the Coast Guard said, they're already using equipment from foreign gov'ts.

And the "revelation" of Halliburton is rather sad, really. When you heard the people who worked there saying that Halliburton employees argued with BP about safety violations it tends to make you look a bit differently at their actions...

Mmm, not quite:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/gre...an-focuses-on-halliburton-cementing-job-.html

The untold "truth" that I talk about is the complicity of Obama appointees in not only allowing, but rewarding the actions of BP and their cohorts.
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But when the evidence YOU give is examined, Damo, it shows that the ONLY Obama appointee (Birnbaum) was a total ineffective rubber stamper, and NOT complicit in the construction and operation like Halliburton and the BP managers & sub-contractors were. You can blame Obama for a lousy appointee, but that's about it.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
So the Southern Man offers NOTHING of worth to my challenge to Damo besides dated neocon sour grape mantras. Pity the Southern Man folks...
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Southern Man said:
How ironic.
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You don't even know when to properly apply the word, Southy. :palm:

The little Souther Man fool can't debate me folks, and the Southern Man fool can't BS his/her way out of that reality...and now the Soutern Man fool can't is just digging his/her own grave. I almost have pity for the Southern Man...almost. I leave the Southern Man to post the usual last word lie/dodge/sour grapes.
 
Dixie said:
Hey Chicklet? No thanks, I've got Bazooka! What does it look like inside Obama's ass? Just curious!
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First you stated that nothing I print is of interest or worth to anyone...yet here YOU are AGAIN.

Add to this your projected homosexual angst, and I'd say you need therapy ASAP....and I'm not just whistl'in dixie. ;)
 
Taichiliberal said:
But when the evidence YOU give is examined, Damo, it shows that the ONLY Obama appointee (Birnbaum) was a total ineffective rubber stamper, and NOT complicit in the construction and operation like Halliburton and the BP managers & sub-contractors were. You can blame Obama for a lousy appointee, but that's about it.
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You are wrong, partisanly so, I can blame him for not suspending the Jones Act almost immediately (still hasn't) and allowing people to begin clean up. I can point out that his administration has been incapable of taking a lead on this, touting the 20 Billion as their only "victory" as they stand and watch the oil come onto our shores. They even were slow to approve American ships with a capacity to remove the oil from the water.

There is much they are accountable for here, not the least of which is being totally blind to abuse. Shoot, just a week before the blast he was touting their safety and planning on expanding drilling on other shores.

This man was touted as an upgrade to Bush, all we've gotten is exactly the same foreign policy, and ineffective crisis leadership, we can be thankful that it wasn't a hurricane. The only thing they can think to do is to try to promote technology that hasn't even been created yet and attempt to tax us into submission during the worst economy since the Great Depression, and that because they can't let a good Crisis go to "waste"...

Then finally, I can point out that he promised to clean up the MMS, then just ignored it until there was an explosion, then still ignored it so much he wasn't even AWARE they were going to fire Birnbaum, that they had, when it might be done. Nothing. The man is totally not in control, letting the oil-blind Salazar continue to "lead" for him...
 
Dixie said:
It is the government's responsibility to monitor BP and make sure they are adhering to the regulations we have established. This is why we fund the MMS, this is why we pass the laws and make the regulations. What we have discovered is, the people in government who were supposed to be doing this, were accepting bribes, letting the oil companies write their own evaluations, and surfing porn on the Internet while they were supposed to be working.

What's really astonishing is, the liberals will now push for even MORE regulations and restrictions, and even MORE governmental oversight, when that wasn't the problem!
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It's not a good argument for more regulations. Agreed. That was not my point.

You implied that blame on BP should be mitigated because of the failure of the government to stop them from violating the law. That's a ridculous argument and frankly could only support more government regulation.
 
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