Why is BP taking all the blame?

When did I say that I don't support offshore drilling? You don't actually know anything about the events that led to the loss of the oil rig and the subsequent explosion, everything you know is gleaned from an hysterical media, both left and right, which is churning out conspiracy theories. I have also never said that BP shouldn't pay compensation, what they shouldn't have to do is take all of the opprobrium whilst Transocean, Anadarko and Halliburton refuse to accept any blame or pay any compensation. I think it is hilarious that you all know about BPs apparently bad safety record yet it was due to get a safety award when the rig blew up.

I'm sorry Tom I thought your claim to "misgivings" meant that you did not support it...misgivings appears to mean you can invest in it and then claim a higher ground if things go wrong because of course YOU had misgivings. The ol' cake and eat it too defense...got it.

As to no one knows...ru fucking kidding me? Where the heck you been?

From the Times:

Congressional investigators have published a series of internal BP memos which they say proves that the British company systematically and negligently put safety at risk on the Deepwater Horizon oil rig in order to increase profits.

Confidential e-mails written in the days before the catastrophic explosion in the Gulf of Mexico appear to show that serious concerns, raised within the company and by contractors, were disregarded for financial reasons.
 
I'm sorry Tom I thought your claim to "misgivings" meant that you did not support it...misgivings appears to mean you can invest in it and then claim a higher ground if things go wrong because of course YOU had misgivings. The ol' cake and eat it too defense...got it.

As to no one knows...ru fucking kidding me? Where the heck you been?

From the Times:

Congressional investigators have published a series of internal BP memos which they say proves that the British company systematically and negligently put safety at risk on the Deepwater Horizon oil rig in order to increase profits.

Confidential e-mails written in the days before the catastrophic explosion in the Gulf of Mexico appear to show that serious concerns, raised within the company and by contractors, were disregarded for financial reasons.

i posted and gave a link to BP's hundreds (over 300) of violations and hundreds of dollars in fines.....

tom blew it off....despite the fact that the next closest fine violators were at a mere 8 <--- yes, eight
 
The MMS has done no better—in the light of the BP disaster, the relationships between the oil industry and employees of MMS has become increasingly clear. The Interior Department Inspector General released an investigative report revealing oil and gas production companies gave gifts to federal officials responsible for inspecting offshore rigs for safety and operational compliance with federal regulations.The IG found “A culture where the acceptance of gifts from oil and gas companies were widespread” within one of the four MMS districts in Louisiana. According to the report, the culture of gift giving decreased after an MMS supervisor from a different district was terminated for receiving gifts. A tale of another federal agency corrupted by industry.

Article found here
 
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Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Hold the phone! America "bullied" BP to pony up the $20 billion in escrow?

Give me a fucking break with this jingoistic British bullshit!

BP had NO problem taking a major profit from the outsourcing...nor did it have a problem in approving all decisions made. But now they want to wash their hands of a major screw-up?

Naa-unnh, son. BP is NOT going to pass the buck on this one...and Obama basically kicked ass and took names in that meeting, and told them just that. BP is NOT the British gov't, nor is it representative of every member of the UK. They are a multi-national corporation originated in England. They fucked up, and they will be held accountable.

Now, if ONLY Obama and company had the chutzpah to apply the same determination to hold Dick Cheney accountable for his part in this.

He won't because his own appointee allowed the same BS to continue. They fired her (without any apparent knowledge from the Dear Leader) quietly and are desperately trying to push all blame onto anybody they can, without pointing the finger at the government that gave them the pass on safety regulations, shoot not just a pass they gave that very platform a fricking award!

Their negligence can be documented through the approval the government gave at every turn, through the waivers they granted them to do what they did... through the awards they handed out to them for their "awesome" safety record as they killed people at their refineries first, then later when this platform exploded...


Hold the phone Damo....you can rightly blame Obama and company for NOT throwing out the entire Shrub era folk running the MMS along with the deregulation policies that allowed BP to forgo the audio safety valve and drill 7,000 feet deeper than permitted....but you and I both know that had he approached that as he did with healthcare, the blowback would have been the same.

Bottom line: Obama's Oval Office address announcing a shake up of the MMS is a good thing, as is the escrow account...but going after Cheney would take more political cojones than I think Obama can muster from the Senate and Congress just now. Remember, the neocon driven GOP's schizoid attitude is that they want Executive action to supercede all else to solve this oil spill problem, while at the same time they want to condemn Obama as being a socialistic/communist hell bent on destroying private enterprise and individual rights.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Hold the phone! America "bullied" BP to pony up the $20 billion in escrow?

Give me a fucking break with this jingoistic British bullshit!

BP had NO problem taking a major profit from the outsourcing...nor did it have a problem in approving all decisions made. But now they want to wash their hands of a major screw-up?

Naa-unnh, son. BP is NOT going to pass the buck on this one...and Obama basically kicked ass and took names in that meeting, and told them just that. BP is NOT the British gov't, nor is it representative of every member of the UK. They are a multi-national corporation originated in England. They fucked up, and they will be held accountable.

Now, if ONLY Obama and company had the chutzpah to apply the same determination to hold Dick Cheney accountable for his part in this.

Who are you supposed to be talking to anyway? Why the hell do you care so much? You live at least 2000 miles away, yet you act as if it's on your doorstep!!

I'm talking to the originator of this thread. And you live across the ocean, and BP is NOT going to effect your paycheck, so WTF do care so much as if it's on YOUR doorstep!

Bottom line: my points are valid even if you don't like them. And my "caring" is as legitimate as yours...more so because we're talking about a direct threat to a sector of our seafood/coastal areas (NOT just the Florida coast)...which will have some effect at the grocer nationwide.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Hold the phone! America "bullied" BP to pony up the $20 billion in escrow?

Give me a fucking break with this jingoistic British bullshit!

BP had NO problem taking a major profit from the outsourcing...nor did it have a problem in approving all decisions made. But now they want to wash their hands of a major screw-up?

Naa-unnh, son. BP is NOT going to pass the buck on this one...and Obama basically kicked ass and took names in that meeting, and told them just that. BP is NOT the British gov't, nor is it representative of every member of the UK. They are a multi-national corporation originated in England. They fucked up, and they will be held accountable.

Now, if ONLY Obama and company had the chutzpah to apply the same determination to hold Dick Cheney accountable for his part in this.

It's been noted that cheney's fat mouth has been silent regarding the spill. I guess his daughter Liz is acting as front man to defend the family honor (ha ha) re: Halliburton's part in the debacle.

Tell me about it! I would dearly love to see the sneering little SOB or his daughter try that "executive priviledge" line before a bunch of angry Floridians.
 
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By BEN CASSELMAN And RUSSELL GOLD
It was a difficult drill from the start.

API Well No. 60-817-44169 threw up many challenges to its principal owner, BP PLC, swallowing expensive drilling fluid and burping out dangerous gas. Those woes put the Gulf of Mexico project over budget and behind schedule by April 20, the day the well erupted, destroying the Deepwater Horizon rig and killing 11 men.

Government investigators have yet to announce conclusions about what went wrong that day. The final step in the causation chain, industry engineers have said in interviews, was most likely the failure of a crucial seal at the top of the well or a cement plug at the bottom.

But neither scenario explains the whole story. A Wall Street Journal investigation provides the most complete account so far of the fateful decisions that preceded the blast. BP made choices over the course of the project that rendered this well more vulnerable to the blowout, which unleashed a spew of crude oil that engineers are struggling to stanch.

BP, for instance, cut short a procedure involving drilling fluid that is designed to detect gas in the well and remove it before it becomes a problem, according to documents belonging to BP and to the drilling rig's owner and operator, Transocean Ltd.

BP also skipped a quality test of the cement around the pipe—another buffer against gas—despite what BP now says were signs of problems with the cement job and despite a warning from cement contractor Halliburton Co.

Once gas was rising, the design and procedures BP had chosen for the well likely gave this perilous gas an easier path up and out, say well-control experts. There was little keeping the gas from rushing up to the surface after workers, pushing to finish the job, removed a critical safeguard, the heavy drilling fluid known as "mud." BP has admitted a possible "fundamental mistake" in concluding that it was safe to proceed with mud removal, according to a memo from two Congressmen released Tuesday night.

Finally, a BP manager overseeing final well tests apparently had scant experience in deep-water drilling. He told investigators he was on the rig to "learn about deep water," according to notes of an interview with him seen by the Journal.

Some of these decisions were approved by the U.S. Interior Department's Minerals Management Service, which has come under fire for what President Obama has called its "cozy relationship" with the oil industry. But in at least one case, the decision made apparently diverged from a plan MMS approved. MMS declined to comment.

Some of BP's choices allowed it to minimize costly delays. "We were behind schedule already," said Tyrone Benton, a technician who operated underwater robots and worked for a subcontractor. He said that on the day before the accident, a Monday, managers "hoped we'd be finished by that Friday.... But it seemed like they were pushing to finish it before Friday."

He added: "They were doing too many jobs at one time." Mr. Benton is suing BP and Transocean claiming physical injury and mental anguish.

BP acknowledges the well was running over budget but says it didn't cut corners. "Safe and reliable operations remain a priority regardless of how much a well is behind schedule or over budget," spokesman Andrew Gowers wrote in an email.

Some workers agree safety was paramount for both BP and Transocean. "Safety was their No. 1 concern. Protecting the environment was their No. 1 concern," said Darin Rupinski, a Transocean employee whose job was to help keep the rig in place.

BP was drilling to tap an oil reservoir it had identified called Macondo, the same name as the cursed town in Gabriel Garcia Marquez's novel "One Hundred Years of Solitude." As on many past projects, BP hired a drilling rig from Transocean, the largest deep-water driller. Workers from Transocean and other contractors did most of the work, under the supervision of BP employees on the rig and in Houston.

BP started working on the well in October, using a different rig. After three weeks natural gas got into the well, called a "kick." That's not uncommon. But two weeks later a hurricane damaged the rig and it had to be towed to port for repairs.

Still, by mid-April, the well seemed a qualified success. BP was convinced it had found a lot of oil. Until engineers in Houston could make plans to start pumping it out, the workers on the nearly complete well, in a standard practice, would plug it and temporarily abandon it.

One of the final tasks was to cement in place the steel pipe that ran into the oil reservoir. The cement would fill the space between the outside of the pipe and the rock, preventing any gas from flowing up the sides.

Halliburton, the cementing contractor, advised BP to install numerous devices to make sure the pipe was centered in the well before pumping cement, according to Halliburton documents, provided to congressional investigators and seen by the Journal. Otherwise, the cement might develop small channels that gas could squeeze through.

In an April 18 report to BP, Halliburton warned that if BP didn't use more centering devices, the well would likely have "a SEVERE gas flow problem." Still, BP decided to install fewer of the devices than Halliburton recommended—six instead of 21.

BP said it's still investigating how cementing was done. Halliburton said that it followed BP's instructions, and that while some "were not consistent with industry best practices," they were "within acceptable industry standards."

The cement job was especially important on this well because of a BP design choice that some petroleum engineers call unusual. BP ran a single long pipe, made up of sections screwed together, all the way from the sea floor to the oil reservoir.

Entire article here
 
It's pretty widespread, IMHO. Lots of the people on JPP are guilty of it.

I respect you too much to argue about it though.

Just check this out: http://cgi.ebay.com/BRITISH-POLLUTERS-1-BP-GULF-OIL-SPILL-PROTEST-SHIRT-/190405047017#ht_838wt_1139

I'd say that would anger most Brits, wouldn't you?


I take what appear to be a few articles and find a hard time for it to mean that Britian is being dragged over the coals, as much as I find STY's correlation of a small percentage automatically meaning that the majority of Police Officers are criminals.
 
I don't know Tom, the latest polls show about 75% of the country thinks Obama is blowing this big time... I really do wonder about that 25% who don't. Mental Disorder? I don't know, your guess is as good as mine on that one!

More lies
 
So therefore you are not in a position to know if my viewpoint is just me or one held widely.

Tom, you a Brit, care way more about American feeling than I believe we ever do about British feeling. We are fully used to being the foster child and beat up ad nauseum in your media and neck of the woods.

The point being is simple. We acknowledge it, we get it, and that's all folks!

If you want to revel in the anger and excitement of it all, stick to your UK forums and media outlets. While we'll wonder where you've gone, we won't waste a lot of time lamenting it.
 
I'm talking to the originator of this thread. And you live across the ocean, and BP is NOT going to effect your paycheck, so WTF do care so much as if it's on YOUR doorstep!

Bottom line: my points are valid even if you don't like them. And my "caring" is as legitimate as yours...more so because we're talking about a direct threat to a sector of our seafood/coastal areas (NOT just the Florida coast)...which will have some effect at the grocer nationwide.

This does have a direct effect on both British pensions and financial institutions, as indeed it will also have on Americans as well. The seafood issue is a red herring, no pun intended, because so much comes from SE Asia now, fishermen were already struggling so if anything they are likely to be better off with the compensation payments.

Just for once, I would like you to outline what you think is a sensible energy policy for the US to pursue rather than just throw your toys out of the pram every time somebody says something you don't like.
 
Tom, you a Brit, care way more about American feeling than I believe we ever do about British feeling. We are fully used to being the foster child and beat up ad nauseum in your media and neck of the woods.

The point being is simple. We acknowledge it, we get it, and that's all folks!

If you want to revel in the anger and excitement of it all, stick to your UK forums and media outlets. While we'll wonder where you've gone, we won't waste a lot of time lamenting it.

Please save your Californian psychobabble for somebody else.
 
Do brits have politicle boads, my guess is they are as booring as Brit every day life croocked teeth and all.
 
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BTW - Tom, if you really want to know why BP is taking all the blame, it is because their PR department knows that if they try to defend themselves it will make them look even worse to the public. It is better if they "own up" even if they only had a part in the failure, and to pay. Later the truth can come out and they'll look golden.

Of course the truth isn't going to come out, the only people on the commission are policy wonks and they'll want to protect their own. So the government giving them waivers at every step to do exactly what they did will probably be spoken of only on "Right Wing News" outlets and blogs.
 
BTW - Tom, if you really want to know why BP is taking all the blame, it is because their PR department knows that if they try to defend themselves it will make them look even worse to the public. It is better if they "own up" even if they only had a part in the failure, and to pay. Later the truth can come out and they'll look golden.

Of course the truth isn't going to come out, the only people on the commission are policy wonks and they'll want to protect their own. So the government giving them waivers at every step to do exactly what they did will probably be spoken of only on "Right Wing News" outlets and blogs.

Do you know what? That is exactly right and you're about the only one with any real honesty about it all. It is as if the spirit of Salem still lives and the great American public wants to burn a few witches in public. Yet no one seems to want to discuss how they are going to get all this extra energy that they so crave, if nobody will be willing to undertake deep water drilling because the risks are too great. They need to be reminded that the days of easy oil are over and most of the new discoveries are in deep waters.
 
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