Why is BP taking all the blame?

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Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
You don't even know when to properly apply the word, Southy.
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Southern Man said:
Sure I do Libby. Its when you accuse others of exactly what you do. In this case: sour grapes.
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And as the chronology of the posts show, since BP is at fault in this situation, and the exaggerated and false claims against Obama do not stand up to analysis of all the facts, I have nothing to be "sour" about. As the chronology of the posts shows, it's neocon parrots like the Southern Man, Dixie who are sour on acknowledging anything that does not fit the anti-Obama mantra.

So, as logic dictates, the Southern Man is once again left to squawking his opinion as fact, and subsequently misuses words in that context. Pity poor Southern Man...you can, but I'll just laugh at him. :cof1:
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
But when the evidence YOU give is examined, Damo, it shows that the ONLY Obama appointee (Birnbaum) was a total ineffective rubber stamper, and NOT complicit in the construction and operation like Halliburton and the BP managers & sub-contractors were. You can blame Obama for a lousy appointee, but that's about it.
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Damocles said:
You are wrong, partisanly so, I can blame him for not suspending the Jones Act almost immediately (still hasn't) and allowing people to begin clean up. I can point out that his administration has been incapable of taking a lead on this, touting the 20 Billion as their only "victory" as they stand and watch the oil come onto our shores. They even were slow to approve American ships with a capacity to remove the oil from the water.

:palm: Talk about partisan hackery....that Jones Act mantra has been beaten to death DESPITE the following information LONG being known. Here Damo, GET INFORMED AND STOP SQUAWKING NEOCON MANTRAS:


Q: Did Obama turn down foreign offers of assistance in cleaning up the Gulf oil spill? Did he refuse to waive Jones Act restrictions on foreign-flag vessels?

A: No to both questions. So far, five offers have been accepted and only one offer has been rejected. Fifteen foreign-flag vessels are working on the cleanup, and none required a waiver.

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/06/oil-spill-foreign-help-and-the-jones-act/


And spare me the bullshit about "being slow to approve ships"...Jindal tried to jump on that boat, and the Coast Guard simply stated that they were making sure every volunteer and official boat was part of the coordination and up to safety standards. Like I told someone else on this thread, God forbid signals got crossed or some volunteer had an accident that could have been prevented with a little planning...you anti-Obama folk would be all over it like flies on dung.

There is much they are accountable for here, not the least of which is being totally blind to abuse. Shoot, just a week before the blast he was touting their safety and planning on expanding drilling on other shores.


Yep, and folk like you were just happy as clams in beer about it.....so much so that you missed the parts where he was also pointing to doing so with prudence regarding safety. He wasn't hooting, "Drill, baby, drill", now was he Damo?

This man was touted as an upgrade to Bush, all we've gotten is exactly the same foreign policy, and ineffective crisis leadership, we can be thankful that it wasn't a hurricane. Now I'll agree with you regarding the foreign policy..although the neocon punditry SWEAR it's a complete downgrade, a reversal of the Shrub's brilliance, a weakening of America and anti-American to boot. Seems the man is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. But SPARE me the neocon hyperbole about being "ineffective" in a crisis...as a couple of dead Somali pirates would beg to differ would you, if they could. The only thing they can think to do is to try to promote technology that hasn't even been created yet Oh stop it, Damo...it's not a case of the technology not being proven, it's a case of NON-political, social and industrial will to properly apply it. and attempt to tax us into submission during the worst economy since the Great Depression, and that because they can't let a good Crisis go to "waste"... Jeezus, are you channeling Limbaugh or Levin or Drudge or the WND or NewsMax, etc., etc.? The wealthy have to pay a little more and all hell breaks loose...and the people getting screwed are told to squawk against their interest, and like good little neocon parrots, they do. Come on, Damo...you keep swearing you're not like those clowns, so stop mimicking their blather. :(

Then finally, I can point out that he promised to clean up the MMS, then just ignored it until there was an explosion, then still ignored it so much he wasn't even AWARE they were going to fire Birnbaum, that they had, when it might be done. Nothing. The man is totally not in control, letting the oil-blind Salazar continue to "lead" for him...
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Finally, like I stated before, I've got no problem with calling Birnbaum a lousy choice...but this bullshit that it was Obama's personal responsibility to fire her, and not Salazar, is just that...bullshit.

Now I agree with you that Salazar should be given the heave ho, but that is one of Obama's major flaws, IMHO.....he thinks that by maintaining the cronies and jokers that are part of the problem he'll make them "work for him" to do the right thing. That's not working...time to flip the script.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Finally, like I stated before, I've got no problem with calling Birnbaum a lousy choice...but this bullshit that it was Obama's personal responsibility to fire her, and not Salazar, is just that...bullshit.

Now I agree with you that Salazar should be given the heave ho, but that is one of Obama's major flaws, IMHO.....he thinks that by maintaining the cronies and jokers that are part of the problem he'll make them "work for him" to do the right thing. That's not working...time to flip the script.
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TCL, it was his personal responsibility to be plugged in enough to know what was happening in the very area of government that most needed his attention. That was his own, "You're doing a good job, Brownie!" moment. He wasn't even plugged in enough to the problem to know what was happening to his own people, let alone what was actually happening in the gulf. He couldn't be bothered, it was too important to meet with singers, play golf, laugh it up, then tell people how he'd been "on it from the first day!"

It's rubbish, this is the same type of crap response we've grown to expect from Bush. This was no upgrade, the only thing he can do better than Bush is read to us.
 
Taichiliberal said:
And as the chronology of the posts show, since BP is at fault in this situation, and the exaggerated and false claims against Obama do not stand up to analysis of all the facts, I have nothing to be "sour" about. As the chronology of the posts shows, it's neocon parrots like the Southern Man, Dixie who are sour on acknowledging anything that does not fit the anti-Obama mantra.

So, as logic dictates, the Southern Man is once again left to squawking his opinion as fact, and subsequently misuses words in that context. Pity poor Southern Man...you can, but I'll just laugh at him. :cof1:
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How ironic, you using the word "parrot".
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Finally, like I stated before, I've got no problem with calling Birnbaum a lousy choice...but this bullshit that it was Obama's personal responsibility to fire her, and not Salazar, is just that...bullshit.

Now I agree with you that Salazar should be given the heave ho, but that is one of Obama's major flaws, IMHO.....he thinks that by maintaining the cronies and jokers that are part of the problem he'll make them "work for him" to do the right thing. That's not working...time to flip the script.
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Damocles said:
TCL, it was his personal responsibility to be plugged in enough to know what was happening in the very area of government that most needed his attention. That was his own, "You're doing a good job, Brownie!" moment. He wasn't even plugged in enough to the problem to know what was happening to his own people, let alone what was actually happening in the gulf. He couldn't be bothered, it was too important to meet with singers, play golf, laugh it up, then tell people how he'd been "on it from the first day!"

A fantastic amount of supposition and conjecture on your part, Damo. As the chronology of the disaster goes, Obama was appraised of the situation, and as BP's lies became apparent and the true nature and depth came to light, Obama acted accordingly within the confines of the law...and WITH Congressional backing. Mind you, I would have liked to have seen more aggressiveness and a take no prisoner attitude....but what YOU are describing just isn't the true picture.

It's rubbish, this is the same type of crap response we've grown to expect from Bush. This was no upgrade, the only thing he can do better than Bush is read to us.
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Damo, you're just being stubborn to the point of insipidness. One of the crucial complaints was that Obama rebuked foreign aid....something YOU echoed quite vehemently. I provided you with FACTS that proved you wrong...and you didn't even have the stones to acknowledge that. Instead, you just trudge along with the neocon Anti-Obama mantras.

Yes, Obama has let down the progessives and liberals and hopeful Republicans on several venues....but that is no excuse to start joining in on the neocon BS train on ALL accounts.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Damo, you're just being stubborn to the point of insipidness. One of the crucial complaints was that Obama rebuked foreign aid....something YOU echoed quite vehemently. I provided you with FACTS that proved you wrong...and you didn't even have the stones to acknowledge that. Instead, you just trudge along with the neocon Anti-Obama mantras.

Yes, Obama has let down the progessives and liberals and hopeful Republicans on several venues....but that is no excuse to start joining in on the neocon BS train on ALL accounts.
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Total and absolute fiction.

You simply ignore the fact that Obama has yet to waiver the Jones Act (something that Bush did within the first two days of Katrina) and that much foreign aid is therefore still on the sideline.

You've given insistence and ignorance, not evidence.
 
Damocles said:
Total and absolute fiction.

You simply ignore the fact that Obama has yet to waiver the Jones Act (something that Bush did within the first two days of Katrina) and that much foreign aid is therefore still on the sideline.

You've given insistence and ignorance, not evidence.
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It looks like history isn't going to be treating Obama very kindly with his response; after all the denigration that was being tossed about, regarding Bush and Katrina.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Damo, you're just being stubborn to the point of insipidness. One of the crucial complaints was that Obama rebuked foreign aid....something YOU echoed quite vehemently. I provided you with FACTS that proved you wrong...and you didn't even have the stones to acknowledge that. Instead, you just trudge along with the neocon Anti-Obama mantras.

Yes, Obama has let down the progessives and liberals and hopeful Republicans on several venues....but that is no excuse to start joining in on the neocon BS train on ALL accounts.
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Damocles said:
Total and absolute fiction.

You simply ignore the fact that Obama has yet to waiver the Jones Act (something that Bush did within the first two days of Katrina) and that much foreign aid is therefore still on the sideline.

You've given insistence and ignorance, not evidence.
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Obviously, you didn't read the link where FACT CHECK.ORG documents exactly why your assertions regarding the Jones Act doesn't apply here.

Either that or just being stubborn with a bad case of intellectual myopia.

Go back and READ IT CAREFULLY AND COMPREHENSIVELY....because you look damned foolish hurling insults in leiu of getting things ass backwards.

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=671526&postcount=244
 
Taichiliberal said:
Obviously, you didn't read the link where FACT CHECK.ORG documents exactly why your assertions regarding the Jones Act doesn't apply here.

Either that or just being stubborn with a bad case of intellectual myopia.

Go back and READ IT CAREFULLY AND COMPREHENSIVELY....because you look damned foolish hurling insults in leiu of getting things ass backwards.

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=671526&postcount=244
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*sigh* Reality isn't within your comprehension...

Did you bother looking at the "chart" they provided?

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/143488.pdf

All are "under consideration" except for purchases of booms. The response has been chaotic, and doesn't allow any solutions as all are forever "under consideration"...

Saying that the Jones Act doesn't apply doesn't change that every one of these needs waivers to get to work and none of them are at work.

So, while the factcheck.org works to be an Obama apologist it doesn't change the fact that none of the skimmers are approved and working.
 
Damocles said:
*sigh* Reality isn't within your comprehension...

Did you bother looking at the "chart" they provided?

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/143488.pdf

All are "under consideration" except for purchases of booms. The response has been chaotic, and doesn't allow any solutions as all are forever "under consideration"...

Saying that the Jones Act doesn't apply doesn't change that every one of these needs waivers to get to work and none of them are at work.

So, while the factcheck.org works to be an Obama apologist it doesn't change the fact that none of the skimmers are approved and working.
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But a waiver is only necessary if the Jones Act applies.
 
NigelTufnel said:
But a waiver is only necessary if the Jones Act applies.
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So why are they still awaiting permission, Nigel?

The reality is, the Commander in Chief should be the Red-Tape cutter in this scenario. They aren't at work. The chart was from the State Department. They aren't at work because this Administration has them in "consideration" hold.
 
Damocles said:
So why are they still awaiting permission, Nigel?

The reality is, the Commander in Chief should be the Red-Tape cutter in this scenario. They aren't at work. The chart was from the State Department. They aren't at work because this Administration has them in "consideration" hold.
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Alls I know is it's got nothing to do with the Jones Act.
 
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