Would Americans fight for their country like Ukrainians?

Stay and fight or leave the country?

  • Stay and fight

    Votes: 12 80.0%
  • Leave the country

    Votes: 1 6.7%
  • Surrender

    Votes: 1 6.7%
  • I don't know

    Votes: 1 6.7%

  • Total voters
    15
Sorry, a guy like you who sat on your ass in an air conditioned office and directed Air Force traffic does not qualify as Rambo.

I do not question how many Americans have been on a target range practicing shots. I am one of them.

The issue is whether Americans, on average, would have the same tenacity as Ukrainians hunkered down in the rubble of destroyed cities and refusing to surrender, if we were in their shoes

The same or more.
 
the media and government lying ? BLASPHEMY !

Of course they're lying, all sides though not NECESSARILLY equally.

I have little or no faith in ANY information coming out.
Given that you are married...or wear, consider if your wife asked if she looking fat in a particular summer outfit.
Think over your answer carefully and then apply that to how "the media and government" often respond to questions. :)
 
Sorry, a guy like you who sat on your ass in an air conditioned office and directed Air Force traffic does not qualify as Rambo.

I do not question how many Americans have been on a target range practicing shots. I am one of them.

The issue is whether Americans, on average, would have the same tenacity as Ukrainians hunkered down in the rubble of destroyed cities and refusing to surrender, if we were in their shoes
The same or more.

Agreed, the same. IMO, it's a question of ownership. The more people are invested in their own country, the more likely they'll be to defend it.
 
The "millions of veterans" with actual combat experience largely included Vietnam vets who are all in their 70s and 80s now.

crack a book. we've had ongoing 'war' since 1991. or are they not combat veterans to you? on top of that, something that I see a lot of liberals have major issues acknowledging, even non combat vets still have combat training...........but I guess that's the cognitive dissonance you need to employ to keep your fantasy land active
 
crack a book. we've had ongoing 'war' since 1991. or are they not combat veterans to you? on top of that, something that I see a lot of liberals have major issues acknowledging, even non combat vets still have combat training...........but I guess that's the cognitive dissonance you need to employ to keep your fantasy land active

You yourself posted that your "millions" numbers include support personal. When somebody like you sits on your ass in an air conditioned office directing military traffic, it is not combat.

My brother was an Air Force officer who spent a career sitting at a desk, and he was in less danger than nurses or paramedics. He never would have favorably compared himself to Rambo.
 
Traitor.
The penalty is death for what you propose.
You are a stupid unAmerican fool.
Your opinion is useless.
Nobody cares.

You seem to care...at least enough to run your ignorant mouth.

By the way, I served in our military a half century ago. Did you, asshole?
 
crack a book. we've had ongoing 'war' since 1991. or are they not combat veterans to you? on top of that, something that I see a lot of liberals have major issues acknowledging, even non combat vets still have combat training...........but I guess that's the cognitive dissonance you need to employ to keep your fantasy land active

Who are "we", who are you fighting and how many do you plan to kill between now and November 2024?
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,

Agreed. What is your solution?

The draft used to be a great equalizer in our society but that's been gone for over 50 years and now we have a couple generations of very selfish and self-entitled Americans who believe their needs outweigh everyone else's.

If I had a solution I would be loudly advocating for it. One of my recurring thoughts along that line is that we improve our education system, but that is largely in the hands of state authorities, which are solidly in the hands of profiteers who are fully satisfied to have a misinformed populace that they may collectively and individually take full advantage of.

And worse, the profiteers have made a great business if spreading misinformation despite the negative effects it has on national security.
 
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Hello Dutch Uncle,



If I had a solution I would be loudly advocating for it. One of my recurring thoughts along that line is that we improve our education system, but that is largely in the hands of state authorities, which are solidly in the hands of profiteers who are fully satisfied to have a misinformed populace that they may collectively and individually full advantage of.

And worse, the profiteers have made a great business if spreading misinformation despite the negative effects it has on national security.

Lots of Democrats are clamoring for "free college". I'm against "free" anything since it's never really free but, worse, because a gift quickly turns into an entitlement. Better to give everyone the opportunity to earn it.

Have some sort of work program like FDR's CCC, AmeriCorps, Peace Corps or the military to allow people to join for 2-4 years with an equal number of college years returned as payment.
 
Lots of Democrats are clamoring for "free college". I'm against "free" anything since it's never really free but, worse, because a gift quickly turns into an entitlement. Better to give everyone the opportunity to earn it.

Have some sort of work program like FDR's CCC, AmeriCorps, Peace Corps or the military to allow people to join for 2-4 years with an equal number of college years returned as payment.

The assumption is that an educated populace is a boon to the country and makes us more innovative and competitive. That is why we have free K-12. College should be free or cheap. When I was going, you could work a part-time job and cover tuition. Now it cost hundreds of thousands. It is run by businessmen instead of educators.
Chinas most prestigious universities are public. They are free or cheap. I believe that have to pass tests to get in.
Lots of countries have free college.
What we are doing to education is detrimental to America.
 
The assumption is that an educated populace is a boon to the country and makes us more innovative and competitive. That is why we have free K-12. College should be free or cheap. When I was going, you could work a part-time job and cover tuition. Now it cost hundreds of thousands. It is run by businessmen instead of educators.
Chinas most prestigious universities are public. They are free or cheap. I believe that have to pass tests to get in.
Lots of countries have free college.
What we are doing to education is detrimental to America.
Agreed. Why do the "free college" morons want to pay those businessmen instead of making college cheaper?
 
USMM, 1990-96

You are still advocating traitors though.
Do you want to retract your ignorant statement?

No. Absolutely not. If the current sitting government of the United States was unacceptable to me,
and the political views of the liberating invaders were compatible with mine,
then the logical choice would obviously be to side with the invaders.

Remember, I am American by nationality because I live here.
I am not ethnically American. I don't have a feathered headdress and wear warpaint. I'm ethnically European.

America is socially regressive. Western Europe is progressive. I'm progressive, at least in terms of economics if not socially.

If NATO invaded us to destroy, for example, a second Trump administration,
especially after Republican state legislatures have sabotaged the voting process,
I would feel morally obligated to side with the liberators.
 
No. Absolutely not. If the current sitting government of the United States was unacceptable to me,
and the political views of the liberating invaders were compatible with mine,
then the logical choice would obviously be to side with the invaders.

Remember, I am American by nationality because I live here.
I am not ethnically American. I don't have a feathered headdress and wear warpaint. I'm ethnically European.

America is socially regressive. Western Europe is progressive. I'm progressive, at least in terms of economics if not socially.

If NATO invaded us to destroy, for example, a second Trump administration,
especially after Republican state legislatures have sabotaged the voting process,
I would feel morally obligated to side with the liberators.
I don't care if St. Frances of Assisi is landing at a Beach Head, if he is carrying a weapon I will shoot him in the head with a .50

You are still a traitor and a stupid one at that.
We are NATO you fucking moron and the other countries you mentioned have been peaceful for a thousand years.

Enough of your shit, moron, stop addressing me.
 
You yourself posted that your "millions" numbers include support personal. When somebody like you sits on your ass in an air conditioned office directing military traffic, it is not combat.

My brother was an Air Force officer who spent a career sitting at a desk, and he was in less danger than nurses or paramedics. He never would have favorably compared himself to Rambo.

besides the fact that the air force is the WEAKEST branch, combat wise..................you FORGET, or choose not to understand, much like LV246, that MARINES and ARMY are all trained in combat methods................even myself, an air traffic controller, spent time in the field learning combat...............but i'm sure your ignorant and low information stupid ass doesn't understand that.
 
Who are "we", who are you fighting and how many do you plan to kill between now and November 2024?

who are 'we'? Tell me, Marine officer, did you receive any combat training while you were active duty USMC? DID YOU?????? and stay on fucking topic, lowlife....................otherwise I will just have to lock you in to the same cesspool of idiots as LV246 and evince.
 
The assumption is that an educated populace is a boon to the country and makes us more innovative and competitive. That is why we have free K-12. College should be free or cheap. When I was going, you could work a part-time job and cover tuition. Now it cost hundreds of thousands. It is run by businessmen instead of educators.
Chinas most prestigious universities are public. They are free or cheap. I believe that have to pass tests to get in.
Lots of countries have free college.
What we are doing to education is detrimental to America.
this is why intelligent individuals consider liberals the morons of economics.............because you ARE morons of economics
 
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