Would Americans fight for their country like Ukrainians?

[Dutch Uncle]

You were one of the leading advocates of the Kraken, but all you did was complain from your keyboard while Venezuela stole the election and pedophile communists illegally seized power

When cornered (corned?), Stone AKA Fat Boy confessed that he's never been in a militia, never supported a militia, never attended a Trump rally and most certainly never did anything in support of 1/6.

So, yes, you are 100% about Stone being a keyboard warrior.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Only practitioners of the abomination of hypocrisy with a McCarthy era phrase have nothing but ad hominems.

How long have you been using McCarthy era phrases, son?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

I have never been a blustering keyboard Rambo, like you have.

It is very easy for you to think/imagine/wish that you supposedly have vast reservoirs of tenacity, heroism, fortitude to serve you in the face of better-armed legions of invaders.

But at best, you are completely untested in real life, at worst you are a blustering keyboard commando.

more projection.........but i'm damned comfortable with who I am and what i'm capable of.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Why we know there are cowards that enjoy the liberties of this country but will not lift a hand to defend it.

Most are mothers protecting their families first over their country and the young or disenfranchised. Let's remember that about 40% of Americans don't even vote.

Why would person defend what they feel they are not a part of? It'd be like a slumlord demanding residents defend the building against gangs or bill collectors. That's very sad IMO.

The good news is if even half of those of voting age* stayed to fight, there'd be about 80 million pissed off Americans to do the job.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The Trumpkins would join the Russians.

No doubt they'd follow Trump who would join the Russians claiming they were only here to liberate us from the evil hand of LW Nazis.

 

[Jarod]

No doubt they'd follow Trump who would join the Russians claiming they were only here to liberate us from the evil hand of LW Nazis.

They would join in with the Russians to fight the Democrats.

Or more likely hide under their beds hoping the Russians would win.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Hello Nordberg,

Hello Dutch Uncle,





Even public universities are corrupted by the state, which is corrupted by big money. The onerous requirements placed on them severely hamper their ability and freedom to teach students what they really need to learn.

Perhaps the solution to why Americans have reduced faith in America actually lies in fighting corruption.

And that should be something that both sides can agree on.

The fucked up COVID response by the United States has a silver lining; a greater reliance on telecommunications and online learning. Why not build on that? Let students learn free online and then take midterms or finals at a public building after paying a small maintenance fee. Each class could end up costing $50.

The first two years of college are all core classes anyway. They could go to a brick & mortar college later (on their own dime) or finish up online (free). All programs would be accredited.

 

[danielpalos]

How long have you been using McCarthy era phrases, son?

Ever since I started arguing with our elders on the right-wing, pops.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Most are mothers protecting their families first over their country and the young or disenfranchised. Let's remember that about 40% of Americans don't even vote.

Why would person defend what they feel they are not a part of? It'd be like a slumlord demanding residents defend the building against gangs or bill collectors. That's very sad IMO.

The good news is if even half of those of voting age* stayed to fight, there'd be about 80 million pissed off Americans to do the job.

I don't buy into those polls. It is one thing to say I'd leave but when push comes to shove if the enemy was on the ground here I bet the majority would fight. Here is a factoid. The US wasn't even threatened.

During the Vietnam War era, between 1964 and 1973, the U.S. military drafted 2.2 million American men out of an eligible pool of 27 million.
https://michiganintheworld.history....e Vietnam War era,eligible pool of 27 million.

It is now known that, during the Vietnam era, approximately 570,000 young men were classified as draft offenders,[3] and approximately 210,000 were formally accused of draft violations;[6][3] however, only 8,750 were convicted and only 3,250 were jailed.[3] Some draft eligible men publicly burned their draft cards, but the Justice Department brought charges against only 50, of whom 40 were convicted.[7]
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...country-like-Ukrainians&p=5040675#post5040675

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I don't buy into those polls. It is one thing to say I'd leave but when push comes to shove if the enemy was on the ground here I bet the majority would fight. Here is a factoid. The US wasn't even threatened.

I do but it's important to know that what people say and what they actually do are two different things. Still, it's a good idea to know what they are thinking.

Agreed that, if attacked, most would fight. However, there's defending and running versus defending and counter-attacking.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Ever since I started arguing with our elders on the right-wing, pops.

Maybe you'll mature one day and put away childish things, Danny.

 

[Cypress]

more projection.........but i'm damned comfortable with who I am and what i'm capable of.

Easy words to type on a keyboard.

But you are untested in combat, and there is no tangible evidence you would stand your ground the way Ukranian soldiers are as they hunker down in the rubble of ruined cities.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I have never been a blustering keyboard Rambo, like you have.

It is very easy for you to think/imagine/wish that you supposedly have vast reservoirs of tenacity, heroism, fortitude to serve you in the face of better-armed legions of invaders.

But at best, you are completely untested in real life, at worst you are a blustering keyboard commando.

more projection.........but i'm damned comfortable with who I am and what i'm capable of.

Of course you are. Talk is cheap. No effort required on your part at all. Being a Keyboard Warrior has to be very comfortable for ya!

 

[Eagle_Eye]

I do but it's important to know that what people say and what they actually do are two different things. Still, it's a good idea to know what they are thinking.

Agreed that, if attacked, most would fight. However, there's defending and running versus defending and counter-attacking.

Which is what the Ukraine fighters are doing and it appears to be working against a superior Russia military.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Which is what the Ukraine fighters are doing and it appears to be working against a superior Russia military.

Even before Russia attacked, when it was all speculation on what Putin was planning, most military experts pointed out that the Russian force of 150K troops was insufficient to take and hold a country as populated as Ukraine's 44 Million citizens. The normal ratio is 3:1 attackers versus defenders.

Later we all found out that the Russians were delusional and believed they'd roll into Kyiv for a victory parade in 4 days or less.
Boy, were they surprised!

Fighting a war against guerrillas on their home turf when the vast majority of the entire country hates your guts is a very tough nut to crack. The fact the Russians are engaging in rape and mass executions is going to turn this war into a bloody fucking mess for the Russians. I doubt very many will leave alive.

Expect the inevitable Russian reports of Ukrainian atrocities in retaliation such as shooting prisoners....and those reports will be correct. LOL

Never take war criminals prisoner.

 

[Rune]

That's Three Percenter bullshit, Rune.

Can you prove that?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Can you prove that?

Prove your claim that only 3% of Americans fought in the American Revolution? Sure I can. Can you?

Go drink more mead, little viking. LOL

 

[Rune]

Prove your claim that only 3% of Americans fought in the American Revolution? Sure I can. Can you?

Go drink more mead, little viking. LOL

How many Americans actually fought in the American Revolution?


How many soldiers served in the war? Over the course of the war, about 231,000 men served in the Continental Army, though never more than 48,000 at any one time, and never more than 13,000 at any one place. The sum of the Colonial militias numbered upwards of 145,000 men.

I am a teetotaler, asshole.
40 years without a drop.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

How many Americans actually fought in the American Revolution?


How many soldiers served in the war? Over the course of the war, about 231,000 men served in the Continental Army, though never more than 48,000 at any one time, and never more than 13,000 at any one place. The sum of the Colonial militias numbered upwards of 145,000 men.

I am a teetotaler, asshole.
40 years without a drop.

You lie about everything else so why not about your drinking?

https://observer.com/2017/07/soldiers-militia-american-revolution/
Historian John Ferling finds that the Continental Army size was actually 100,000, not counting the militia. “Probably twice that number soldiered as militiamen, for the most part defending the home front, functioning as a police force, and occasionally engaging in enemy surveillance” in addition to supplementing the Continental Army for stretches.

John K. Robertson looks at this very issue of militia size in the Journal of the American Revolution in 2016. In his article “Decoding Connecticut Militia 1739-1783,” Robertson finds that in May of 1774, the Connecticut state legislature created the 17th and 18th Regiments. At the time, the state’s population was 191,392 white males, females and children (no word on the non-white population was listed). Of these, 26,260 were in the militia, which meant 13 percent of the population.

And that estimate is very likely much too low for how many Connecticut militia there were, for several reasons. First of all, lacking a border with the Indian population, the age requirement for Connecticut in 1774 was much lower than other states (the maximum age fell from 60 to 45). Second, during the American Revolution, that maximum age of service rose to 55 in Connecticut. Third, the state expanded their regiments from 18 to 28, which would provide an estimated 14,588 men (estimated by dividing the 1774 regiment size by 18 regiments, multiplying that number by 10 for the new regiments), giving us 40,849 militiamen. Multiply that number by 13 states, and you get 531,035 militiamen (Connecticut was a middle-sized state in the 1790 Census). It could be a bit lower, but that figure a lot closer to Robert Allison’s numbers, which are 375,000 serving, or almost 15 percent of the population.

That doesn’t include the U.S. Navy, state navies, Continental Marines (2,000 by one estimate) and the estimated 55,000 who served on American Privateers, which gets us from 15 percent to perhaps as high as 25 percent participation. That number also doesn’t count the men and women who worked to feed our troops, clothe our troops, provide supplies, gather information, and protect our frontier and shores.

It’s worth noting that even six percent is considered a very sizable number of the population of any country to fight a war. What the evidence shows is that the war was very popular among Americans, who did turn out to fight hard for their freedom, participating in rates much higher than what you see from other countries in their wars. Our service was something to be proud of, not something to be ashamed of, as some on the fringes would lead us to believe.

 

[Rune]

You lie about everything else so why not about your drinking?

https://observer.com/2017/07/soldiers-militia-american-revolution/
Historian John Ferling finds that the Continental Army size was actually 100,000, not counting the militia. “Probably twice that number soldiered as militiamen, for the most part defending the home front, functioning as a police force, and occasionally engaging in enemy surveillance” in addition to supplementing the Continental Army for stretches.

John K. Robertson looks at this very issue of militia size in the Journal of the American Revolution in 2016. In his article “Decoding Connecticut Militia 1739-1783,” Robertson finds that in May of 1774, the Connecticut state legislature created the 17th and 18th Regiments. At the time, the state’s population was 191,392 white males, females and children (no word on the non-white population was listed). Of these, 26,260 were in the militia, which meant 13 percent of the population.

And that estimate is very likely much too low for how many Connecticut militia there were, for several reasons. First of all, lacking a border with the Indian population, the age requirement for Connecticut in 1774 was much lower than other states (the maximum age fell from 60 to 45). Second, during the American Revolution, that maximum age of service rose to 55 in Connecticut. Third, the state expanded their regiments from 18 to 28, which would provide an estimated 14,588 men (estimated by dividing the 1774 regiment size by 18 regiments, multiplying that number by 10 for the new regiments), giving us 40,849 militiamen. Multiply that number by 13 states, and you get 531,035 militiamen (Connecticut was a middle-sized state in the 1790 Census). It could be a bit lower, but that figure a lot closer to Robert Allison’s numbers, which are 375,000 serving, or almost 15 percent of the population.

That doesn’t include the U.S. Navy, state navies, Continental Marines (2,000 by one estimate) and the estimated 55,000 who served on American Privateers, which gets us from 15 percent to perhaps as high as 25 percent participation. That number also doesn’t count the men and women who worked to feed our troops, clothe our troops, provide supplies, gather information, and protect our frontier and shores.

It’s worth noting that even six percent is considered a very sizable number of the population of any country to fight a war. What the evidence shows is that the war was very popular among Americans, who did turn out to fight hard for their freedom, participating in rates much higher than what you see from other countries in their wars. Our service was something to be proud of, not something to be ashamed of, as some on the fringes would lead us to believe.

That doesn't prove shit you lying retard.

Every male between the age of 18 and 45 was automatically enrolled in the militia. That doesn't mean or prove they fought.

Try again, only do better this time.