Biden freezes withdrawal of US troops from Germany

[Underdog]

Clearly- the scale and violence of the insurrection wasn't anticipated. Whoever refused ammunition probably isn't in his post anymore.

lol, no.

 

[BattleofHodow]

thanks for the troop numbers.
the repositioning is part of Polands desires for more tank battalion/forwards forces as well

Poland fears Russia will return to Poland.

That's a far more reasonable fear than Israel fearing Iran.

Because Israel has nukes & A bigger military & Iran does not.

On Poland's behalf has no nukes & A much smaller military, unlike Russia.

Poland's actually a USA ally, not that you'd necessarily know it searching different forums.

But, unlike Israel who's only been hostile to the USA.

Poland rescued American operatives at Operation Simoom, and fought besides the USA in WW2 & The Iraq war. Poland even housed USA terrorists on behalf of the CIA.

 

[Cypress]

Do they start them? Did FDR start WWII? Did Johnson start the Vietnam War? North Korea started the Korean War, the US came to South Korea’s aid. Did a Democrat start Iraq I or II?
Did a Democrat start the War in Afghanistan?

Nice work.
Worth remembering, it was conservatives who wanted to stay in Vietnam, and fight on to the final victory, long after it became clear we had no business trying to win a civil war.

I would say the case can be made Wilson should have kept us out of World War 1. But even then, I believe allowing a militaristic and belligerent Imperial Germany to defeat the western liberal democracies and dominate Europe would have been disastrous. The mistake made at the close of WW1 was the overly harsh and punitive Versailles treaty. But that cannot be laid at Wilson's feet - he wanted a more generous peace treaty with Germany and warned the allies that Versailles was way too harsh.

 

[BattleofHodow]

Sorry, but Wilson wanted the US in WWI. Hitler should never have made it out of the box, but the Euros were too fucked up and thought appeasement worked.

FDR's actions contributed to our involvement in WWII in many ways, but the vast majority of blame goes on the aggressors; the Axis of Evil.

LBJ turned a group of advisors into a full war. Who sent the Marines to Da Nang in March 1965? LBJ. Then he ran the war from the WH.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/u-s-marines-land-at-da-nang

There was no Holocaust during Munich Agreement, many people at the time thought Stalin was worse.

Besides, It's not just all Euros who appeased Hitler at Munich Agreement.

 

[Underdog]

Nice work.
Worth remembering, it was conservatives who wanted to stay in Vietnam, and fight on to the final victory, long after it became clear we had no business trying to win a civil war.

I would say the case can be made Wilson should have kept us out of World War 1. But even then, I believe allowing a militaristic and belligerent Imperial Germany to defeat the western liberal democracies and dominate Europe would have been disastrous. The mistake made at the close of WW1 was the overly harsh and punitive Versailles treaty. But that cannot be laid at Wilson's feet - he wanted a more generous peace treaty with Germany and warned the allies that Versailles was way too harsh.

So passes to all democrats, republicans bad.

even though the only democrat to not involve us in a war or conflict was carter.

 

[Phantasmal]

So passes to all democrats, republicans bad.

even though the only democrat to not involve us in a war or conflict was carter.

The trouble I had was the word started, involved is quite a different word from started. Words matter.

 

[Micawber]

I don't think you realize what trump was actually doing. He was not bringing troops back to the US, he was going to move them out of Germany to other Nations in Europe simple because he did not like Merkel, this would have cost the us Billions of dollars and would have severed no strategic purpose other than made trump feel better about himself. This was a good move on Biden's part and I can guarantee you that the joint chiefs pushed hard for it.

I buy this without looking into the matter. Trump served only one master, his monumentally large and fragile ego.
It's refreshing to use past tense.

 

[CASPER]

right. 175 tons? that shit stayed home.

Active or reserve? This isn't the first time we've used the guard like this. 911 comes to mind, all the guardsman guarding train stations n shit, all unarmed.



So let me ask you. how would you see the situation unfolding where all these guardsmen would have time to go run line up and get ammo? seems wierd to have them all there with carbines but no magazines. why not keep the carbines as well?


And thank you for your service brother!

Each company has their own set of supply and there would be no lines, the ammo would come to them and very quickly.

Active duty, 8 years, I come for a family that serves. All males, and some women, in our family including uncles and cousins served, most were Lifers in all Branches of Service. With us it is tradition and expected, not one regretted the choice, it is an Honor to Serve.

 

[Underdog]

The trouble I had was the word started, involved is quite a different word from started. Words matter.

Obama started wars. Clinton started wars. Kennedy started one or almost did, and almost got us nuked, kennedy also expanded the hell out of vietnam.

words indeed to matter.

 

[Underdog]

Each company has their own set of supply and there would be no lines, the ammo would come to them and very quickly.

Active duty, 8 years, I come for a family that serves. All males, and some women, in our family including uncles and cousins served, most were Lifers in all Branches of Service. With us it is tradition and expected, not one regretted the choice, it is an Honor to Serve.

I was active for 8 as well, had little contact with the guard. Had friends in the guard. That said the guard isn't as professional as active. and the logistics to hand out ammo to 25,000 guardsmen at the last minute even if you are right, would not happen any quicker than trying to get out of the parking lot of an nhl game.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The only war “started” by the USA were “started” by Republicans. Words matter

Agreed; there's only been one US sneak/preemptive attack on another nation and a Republican President supported by a Democratic Senate did it.

Agreed words matter. The fact remains these matters are more complex than simple finger-pointing can honestly resolve. Unlike many here commonly push, POTUS isn't King, no matter if they think so or others think so. It takes Congress to act and act they did with the Iraq Resolution, going to war with Germany and Japan, Vietnam, etc.

 

[Cypress]

The trouble I had was the word started, involved is quite a different word from started. Words matter.

The only full scale wars of the 20th and 21st centuries I would call outright disasters in hindsight were Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq.

It was liberals and lefties who turned against the Vietnam war first. I did not see many conservatives in the streets with the dirty hippies protesting the Vietnam war. That is just a fact, jack.

 

[Phantasmal]

The only full scale wars of the 20th and 21st centuries I would call outright disasters in hindsight were Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq.

It was liberals who turned against the Vietnam war first. I did not see many conservatives in the streets with the dirty hippies protesting the Vietnam war. That is just a fact, jack.

I was a flower child, but I bathed regularly

 

[Cypress]

I was a flower child, but I bathed regularly

I actually like hippy girls!

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Each company has their own set of supply and there would be no lines, the ammo would come to them and very quickly.

Active duty, 8 years, I come for a family that serves. All males, and some women, in our family including uncles and cousins served, most were Lifers in all Branches of Service. With us it is tradition and expected, not one regretted the choice, it is an Honor to Serve.

Thank you for your service. One thing you should know is the term "LIFER" is used by many disgruntled lower ranking troops as a put down to career officers and NCO's it means someone who couldn't make it in the civilian world.

 

[Iolo/Penderyn]

Poland fears Russia will return to Poland.

That's a far more reasonable fear than Israel fearing Iran.

Because Israel has nukes & A bigger military & Iran does not.

On Poland's behalf has no nukes & A much smaller military, unlike Russia.

Poland's actually a USA ally, not that you'd necessarily know it searching different forums.

But, unlike Israel who's only been hostile to the USA.

Poland rescued American operatives at Operation Simoom, and fought besides the USA in WW2 & The Iraq war. Poland even housed USA terrorists on behalf of the CIA.

Russia (as the USSR) tried to colonise Poland and murder vast numbers of its people. 'Israel' has already colonised Palestine and is desperate to colonise and commit mass murder in Iran, to follow up on the US's own vicious efforts. Why make non-existent contrasts?

 

[Phantasmal]

I actually like hippy girls!

I’ve reverted back to my flower child look, I haven’ t gotten a haircut since August ‘20. My hair grows fast, even at my age. It is down to my waist. My grandson says it looks like a mermaid! Peace, Love and Rock n Roll.

 

[CASPER]

I was active for 8 as well, had little contact with the guard. Had friends in the guard. That said the guard isn't as professional as active. and the logistics to hand out ammo to 25,000 guardsmen at the last minute even if you are right, would not happen any quicker than trying to get out of the parking lot of an nhl game.

I had limited contact with them, mainly running ranges for them. Correct the quality is not as mission ready with the Guard but that has always been the case. I have no idea what their logistics setup in DC but I assume they have looked into rapid deployment of ammunition if needed, for all we know the ammo was sitting in a Humvee yards away from them.
I would also assume those working checkpoints are fully armed with ammunition, or at least I would hope so.

Thanks for Your Service.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The only full scale wars of the 20th and 21st centuries I would call outright disasters in hindsight were Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq.

It was liberals and lefties who turned against the Vietnam war first. I did not see many conservatives in the streets with the dirty hippies protesting the Vietnam war. That is just a fact, jack.

Going solely by body count, I'd disagree and say WWI, WWII, Korea and, yes, Vietnam.

Afghanistan was FUBAR'd because Bush/Cheney pivoted and attacked Iraq before finishing the job in Afghanistan. Biggest military blunder in US history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_casualties_of_war

 

[Underdog]

The only full scale wars of the 20th and 21st centuries I would call outright disasters in hindsight were Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq.

It was liberals and lefties who turned against the Vietnam war first. I did not see many conservatives in the streets with the dirty hippies protesting the Vietnam war. That is just a fact, jack.

interesting enough when the dirty hipppies durned out for bushes war, they were silent on obama's surges, obamas new wars of choice. why do you think that is?