Biden freezes withdrawal of US troops from Germany

[anatta]

Yep, the Russians would like nothing better than to see NATO fall apart and our alliances with European nations broken.

no evidence of a reduced US role in NATO under Trump

In fact Trump armed up Ukraine with lethal defensive weapons to Donbass (not Obama) and upped the money
for European Reassurance Initiative

 

[Underdog]

I don't think you realize what trump was actually doing. He was not bringing troops back to the US, he was going to move them out of Germany to other Nations in Europe simple because he did not like Merkel, this would have cost the us Billions of dollars and would have severed no strategic purpose other than made trump feel better about himself. This was a good move on Biden's part and I can guarantee you that the joint chiefs pushed hard for it.

Well that's a little less than half accurate.


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/29/us-is-bringing-6400-troops-home-from-germany.html

"he U.S. will bring about 6,400 forces home and shift about 5,400 to other countries in Europe, U.S. defense officials said"




Why do we need 34,000 troops in germany?


We need to bring them all back the cold war is long over.



Biden, is a chicken hawk, this is just to make sure he has troops in place for our next war of choice.


also it wasn't because he disliked merkel, though Im sure that did not help, it was more to do with germany paying 1/4 what we do to nato.

 

[Underdog]

After January 6th it might be better to station German troops in Washington.

This arrogant ' world policeman ' posture is yesterday.

bread and circuses, the "Army" which you mean the national guard, weren't even allowed ammo. some scary "insurrection" you got there when they feel they dont need to arm the guard,

 

[anatta]

Sen. Mitt Romney, R-Utah., called the plan “a grave error,” a “slap in the face at a friend and ally,” and “a gift to Russia coming at a time when we just have learned of its support for the Taliban and reports of bounties on killing American troops.” Romney has introduced an amendment to the fiscal 2021 National Defense Authorization Act to block the removal of troops from Germany."

what a douche. there never were "Russian bounties"
and it's not Romney or any Senator's place - even under Biden - to micromanage troops levels

 

[Underdog]

Yeup, there might be a need to have troops stationed closer to DC since we now obviously have a right-wing terror threat.

overplayed, again if there was such a threat, why then my friend did they not want to give the guard any ammunition?

 

[Hawkeye10]

no evidence of a reduced US role in NATO under Trump

In fact Trump armed up Ukraine with lethal defensive weapons to Donbass (not Obama) and upped the money
for European Reassurance Initiative

But those savings pale in comparison to what has been — despite Trump's frequent criticism of NATO's cost-sharing formula — a sizeable increase in U.S. outlays for military operations in Europe since he took office.

Most of that jump in spending was on the European Deterrence Initiative, an effort to strengthen U.S. military forces in Europe begun by the Obama administration in response to Russia's 2014 annexation of Crimea and continued backing of pro-Russia separatists in Ukraine.

During the first three years of that effort, originally known as the European Reassurance Initiative, the Obama administration dedicated about $5.2 billion to building up the American military presence in Europe.

The Trump administration has more than tripled what its predecessor spent on the EDI: A total of $17.2 billion has been requested for the initiative in the three annual budgets the current White House has sent to Congress, which in turn has approved those funding levels.

Outlays for the deterrence initiative peaked at more than $6.5 billion in FY2019, a level that's been cut by 10% in the FY2020 request of $5.9 billion. That's still 57% greater than the high point of funding under the Obama administration of $3.4 billion for FY2017

https://www.npr.org/2019/12/03/7844...ons-get-more-u-s-troops-and-military-spending

 

[Underdog]

Yep, the Russians would like nothing better than to see NATO fall apart and our alliances with European nations broken.

It's actually quite irrelevant

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[CASPER]

Well that's a little less than half accurate.


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/29/us-is-bringing-6400-troops-home-from-germany.html

"he U.S. will bring about 6,400 forces home and shift about 5,400 to other countries in Europe, U.S. defense officials said"




Why do we need 34,000 troops in germany?


We need to bring them all back the cold war is long over.



Biden, is a chicken hawk, this is just to make sure he has troops in place for our next war of choice.


also it wasn't because he disliked merkel, though Im sure that did not help, it was more to do with germany paying 1/4 what we do to nato.

Nope in the end the troops would still be there, read the article, some would be going back and forth on a rotating basis, which if you have served you would truly sucks.

The cold war is anything but over, read more world current events news.

We do not move troops from Europe to fight wars elsewhere, those from US bases. What war are we going to start?

 

[anatta]

Well that's a little less than half accurate.


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/29/us-is-bringing-6400-troops-home-from-germany.html

"he U.S. will bring about 6,400 forces home and shift about 5,400 to other countries in Europe, U.S. defense officials said"




Why do we need 34,000 troops in germany?


We need to bring them all back the cold war is long over.



Biden, is a chicken hawk, this is just to make sure he has troops in place for our next war of choice.


also it wasn't because he disliked merkel, though Im sure that did not help, it was more to do with germany paying 1/4 what we do to nato.

thanks for the troop numbers.
the repositioning is part of Polands desires for more tank battalion/forwards forces as well

 

[CASPER]

overplayed, again if there was such a threat, why then my friend did they not want to give the guard any ammunition?

Ammunition was available had it been needed, and you know it. The NG is not the same as regular Army, and we both know that.

 

[anatta]

https://www.npr.org/2019/12/03/7844...ons-get-more-u-s-troops-and-military-spending

yep.. more Russiaphobia.

The European Reassurance Initiative /European Deterrence Initiative is a separate budget line.

https://www.defensenews.com/opinion...assurance-initiative-sends-the-wrong-message/
Buried in the Trump administration’s $750 billion defense budget for fiscal 2020 is $5.9 billion for the European Deterrence Initiative, a defense welfare program started by the Obama administration in 2014 as a trans-Atlanticist’s response to Russia’s annexation of Crimea. A program that takes U.S. taxpayer dollars to defend wealthy European allies is exactly the sort of arrangement that permanent Washington worships — and it’s an example of what then-presidential candidate Donald Trump ran against in 2016.

In Washington, the European Deterrence Initiative, or EDI, is cast as a demonstration of America’s commitment to our European allies. In reality, however, it’s a duplicative program which functions as yet another U.S. entitlement to Europe — a region composed of wealthy and economically vibrant countries amply equipped to take far more responsibility for their own national security. At a time when President Donald Trump is rightly advocating for these European partners to fund their own defense, EDI completely undermines that objective.

 

[Phantasmal]

overplayed, again if there was such a threat, why then my friend did they not want to give the guard any ammunition?

How long does it take a trained guardsman to load their gun?

 

[CASPER]

what a douche. there never were "Russian bounties"
and it's not Romney or any Senator's place - even under Biden - to micromanage troops levels

I never said a word about bounties, are you having a Stupid fit?

I said nothing about Romney but you had no problem with trump doing it yet it really is not his job either that falls to the joint chiefs .......good grief you really do not think before posting.

 

[anatta]

How long does it take a trained guardsman to load their gun?

who the fuck cares?
They werent there when they were needed,
and they've turned the Capitol into a 3rd world banana republic with troops garrisoned in the capitol, and not needed

 

[anatta]

I never said a word about bounties, are you having a Stupid fit?

I said nothing about Romney but you had no problem with trump doing it yet it really is not his job either that falls to the joint chiefs .......good grief you really do not think before posting.

you posted that crap from him. the "douche" comment was directed at Romney not you, although if you post that trash you should note it's garbage

what "job" belongs to the JCOS that isn't a POTUS purview??

 

[Underdog]

Nope in the end the troops would still be there, read the article, some would be going back and forth on a rotating basis, which if you have served you would truly sucks.

The cold war is anything but over, read more world current events news.

We do not move troops from Europe to fight wars elsewhere, those from US bases. What war are we going to start?

right in the article, 6400 would come home, and the rest would be moved about europe. that's literally what the article says.


The cold war is over, we won. What we have now is no where near the enemy that the soviets were.


look at defense spending alone.

Russia exponentially smaller in defense spending than us, and we have no reason to have any bases for the most part outside the US.

What war? the one biden will start to get us out of the coming recession when the covid bill is due, or when he feels our division is too great and starts one to unify us.


yemen or Iran I am thinking depending on how big they need to sell us on the threat,.

 

[Underdog]

thanks for the troop numbers.
the repositioning is part of Polands desires for more tank battalion/forwards forces as well

Thats another great point, wouldn't it make more sense if the russians are the reason we have bases in germany, wouldn't poland be even better? #geography

 

[Taft2016]

I don't think you realize what trump was actually doing. He was not bringing troops back to the US, he was going to move them out of Germany to other Nations in Europe simple because he did not like Merkel, this would have cost the us Billions of dollars and would have severed no strategic purpose other than made trump feel better about himself. This was a good move on Biden's part and I can guarantee you that the joint chiefs pushed hard for it.

You mean moved to nations that pay their NATO upkeep?

Oh, the horror.

 

[anatta]

Thats another great point, wouldn't it make more sense if the russians are the reason we have bases in germany, wouldn't poland be even better? #geography

dont even get me started on NATO expansion and shoving/creating the Cold War 2.0 onto Russia's doorstep.

 

[Underdog]

Ammunition was available had it been needed, and you know it. The NG is not the same as regular Army, and we both know that.

Ahh so if some shit breaks out in the "insurrection" they says "hold up sir, I need to go request some ammo!" and get in line? lol


the time for them to be armed if they were afraid of an "insurrection" was during the inauguration, otherwise the Pretorian guard was just for show.