You must refuse illegal orders!

[QP!]

Here, let me make it clear: What illegal order(s) did Trump issue? That clear enough for you?


Why did they bother to do that and include specifically comments relating that to the current administration?


Pretty thin ice you're skating on.

Exactly my point. They made it clear they were talking about the current administration, and Trump, then stated that it was the military's duty to refuse to obey illegal orders.

What purpose did that message serve? Military members already know they should refuse illegal orders, so clearly restating that serves no purpose. Why did 6 DEMOCRAT senators make a message about refusing to obey illegal orders? What purpose and message did that serve?

Putting aside Trump has said to citizens and police he would like to see them illegally assault people, and even said he would pay their legal bills if they did. Putting aside Trump asked Esper if they could not just shoot peaceful protesters...

We can ignore those for a moment even those are reason alone to REPEAT OVER AND OVER to citizens, police and military that they have an 'obligation to follow the law', but again all those aside the below certain justifies the reminder...

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Where did they mention Trump in the video?

Their statement about "the current administration..." That includes Trump.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Putting aside Trump has said to citizens and police he would like to see them illegally assault people, and even said he would pay their legal bills if they did. Putting aside Trump asked Esper if they could not just shoot peaceful protesters...

We can ignore those for a moment even those are reason alone to REPEAT OVER AND OVER to citizens, police and military that they have an 'obligation to follow the law', but again all those aside the below certain justifies the reminder...

So? Has Trump given the military illegal orders?

 

[Jarod]

So? Has Trump given the military illegal orders?

Not yet.

 

[QP!]

So? Has Trump given the military illegal orders?

Why do you keep asking that stupid question?

oh it is because you are stupid right?

If i say to someone 'be a smart tourist. be careful when you travel in that area', it DOES NOT mean they were not careful or did anything wrong.

It is simply a future caution. A future caution DOES NOT require the person have committed any act.

Telling people who work for Trump, to remember they have a duty to not obey any illegal orders DOES NOT mean any have been issued but it is a smart thing to remind people of who work for Trump when he has told cops and citizens before to do crimes and was asking Esper if they could not order them to shoot peaceful civilians.

Cautioning those people they need to remember their obligations to not follow illegal orders is just smart.

When you see the pages long lists of Campaign Staff, Trumps first Administration staff and the lawyers who have worked for him and done his bidding who have been indicted, gone to jail, got disbarred, it is a smart thing to remind people who work for him to not obey illegal orders.

Asking if he has 'given the military an illegal order' is irrelevant to everything i state above because even if he has not, everything i say above has happened and applies.

 

[QP!]

Not yet.

NO adjudicated as such yet.

But his ordered murders of people on boats in the Caribbean may be deemed illegal in the same way GWB torture tactics at Guantanamo Bay were deemed illegal, when examined by the courts. The British are so concerned that it is illegal they have withdrawn all support and cooperation with the US in the region so as not to be implicated as co-conspirators if it is does go to a court and get deemed illegal.

But i do not even argue that with Terry as it is irrelevant to the caution given to soldiers whether there is any active case of abuse or illegality.

If abuse or illegality were required at the time of saying then no Military School or Police Academy could give the instruction in a class setting.

Terry, as always is stuck on stupid.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Why do you keep asking that stupid question?

oh it is because you are stupid right?

If i say to someone 'be a smart tourist. be careful when you travel in that area', it DOES NOT mean they were not careful or did anything wrong.

It is simply a future caution. A future caution DOES NOT require the person have committed any act.

Telling people who work for Trump, to remember they have a duty to not obey any illegal orders DOES NOT mean any have been issued but it is a smart thing to remind people of who work for Trump when he has told cops and citizens before to do crimes and was asking Esper if they could not order them to shoot peaceful civilians.

Cautioning those people they need to remember their obligations to not follow illegal orders is just smart.

When you see the pages long lists of Campaign Staff, Trumps first Administration staff and the lawyers who have worked for him and done his bidding who have been indicted, gone to jail, got disbarred, it is a smart thing to remind people who work for him to not obey illegal orders.

Asking if he has 'given the military an illegal order' is irrelevant to everything i state above because even if he has not, everything i say above has happened and applies.

Because it's the central focus of this issue with these 6 senators issuing their statement.

 

[QP!]

Because it's the central focus of this issue with these 6 senators issuing their statement.

There statements are cautionary not accusing. It it the same caution the Military Academies give despite no ongoing illegal orders be present.

Even if you assume Trump has given no such orders it has no impact on what they said and in no way means they should not have given that caution. It is a smart thing to do even if Trump has not issued any such orders.

 

[Into the Night]

One more time, cunt. Those in the video never made ANY claim that Trump had issued illegal orders. That’s something you cultist cocksuckers invented.

Why on the current administration? Well, I dunno cultist. Just because that cocksucker violates the Constitution every fucking day has nothing to do with it.

I’m not skating on anything, bitch. It’s you fucking cultists that have shit yourselves over a 90 second video that merely reminds the viewers of the actual law.

Oh, and BTW, illiterate fuck, it’s DEMOCRATIC senators, not Democrat senators.

Run off, sonny. Your cult leader is calling you for more brainwashing.

So why do you think Trump issued any illegal orders?

 

[Into the Night]

There statements are cautionary not accusing. It it the same caution the Military Academies give despite no ongoing illegal orders be present.

Even if you assume Trump has given no such orders it has no impact on what they said and in no way means they should not have given that caution. It is a smart thing to do even if Trump has not issued any such orders.

Accusatory is not cautionary.

 

[Into the Night]

^Dumbfuck denies SCOTUS.

Quite a few States defy SCOTUS. So what else is new?

 

[Into the Night]

Already done.

They never said to disobey legal orders.

Your word games won't work, LeftNut.

 

[Into the Night]

I watched their message, stupid fuck. They never said he had issued an illegal order. That’s merely the cockeyed twist you and your cult are trying to create.

Fucking cultist morons. You sad fucks have abandoned all ability at critical thought.

Lie.

 

[Jake Starkey]

 

[T. A. Gardner]

There statements are cautionary not accusing. It it the same caution the Military Academies give despite no ongoing illegal orders be present.

Even if you assume Trump has given no such orders it has no impact on what they said and in no way means they should not have given that caution. It is a smart thing to do even if Trump has not issued any such orders.

I took them as inflammatory.

 

[QP!]

I took them as inflammatory.

You can take them any way you want. NO one cares how stupid people, like you, take things, but you have every right.

What that DOES NOT mean, is that they are inflammatory or wrong to do as you are only speaking to how you filter things. Only the person who said the words can tell you their intent.

The 1st amendment does not cease based on your take of other peoples intent.

 

[Walt]

Trying to stir up friction between officers and enlisted is seditious.

Sedition is not an actual crime in the USA, so it really does not matter that you are wrong about what it would be.

 

[Walt]

have they? Because I can tell you that I NEVER received any training on what is or might be an unlawful order

Earl is making shit up.

 

[Walt]

the only rule books are the Constitution and the laws of the land...............that's not the problem, though

Where in those only rule books does it say what time breakfast is served? There are a huge number of local, lessor rule books out there.

 

[Walt]

I've been unemployed since February, so no insurance

You shouldn't have let your insurance lapse. COBRA lasts for 18 months. After that you are stuck with the markets that Republicans are trying to make unworkable, but something is better than nothing.

For someone who calls himself "smarter than you", it is odd that you are more often than not a cautionary tale.