Why is BP taking all the blame?

Piss off, Damo. You've been wrong about pretty much everything in this thread and you're flailing. You just make shit up as you go along because it fits what you feel.
Rubbish. You've simply been stupidly pointing out differences in "wording" of the approval. The government is fricking standing in the way. Get the danged skimmers to fricking WORK.

And in the small items I missed, it has never changed the central reality of what I have stated. You desperately ignore actual government reports on their awesome "handiwork" because you are busy apologizing for some idiot with a D after their name. If I acted this way toward Bush I would have been embarrassed.
 
Again with the fucking Jones Act. You're unbelievable.
Right... Because the factcheck site said it only applies within 3 miles doesn't change that it is still there, standing in the fricking way. It's absurd to ignore the fact that even their own fricking charts show they aren't doing what they can to remove red tape.
 
Rubbish. You've simply been stupidly pointing out differences in "wording" of the approval. The government is fricking standing in the way. Get the danged skimmers to fricking WORK.

And in the small items I missed, it has never changed the central reality of what I have stated. You desperately ignore actual government reports on their awesome "handiwork" because you are busy apologizing for some idiot with a D after their name. If I acted this way toward Bush I would have been embarrassed.


You're a dumbass. You believe the government is standing in the way so you say it. That's fine and I bet it feels good but it doesn't make it true.
 
You're a dumbass. You believe the government is standing in the way so you say it. That's fine and I bet it feels good but it doesn't make it true.
You simply ignore the actual reports from the agencies in charge because you desperately want to believe something that isn't true. If you close your eyes tight enough and hope really hard, there will still be over 50 requests that are standing around waiting for "acceptance" proving me to be correct.
 
Right... Because the factcheck site said it only applies within 3 miles doesn't change that it is still there, standing in the fricking way. It's absurd to ignore the fact that even their own fricking charts show they aren't doing what they can to remove red tape.


You're tiresome. Tell me this, holmes: if the Jones Act applied, why were there no waivers for the foreign vessels working the Gulf right fucking now?
 
You're tiresome. Tell me this, holmes: if the Jones Act applied, why were there no waivers for the foreign vessels working the Gulf right fucking now?
Why not check that other thread where it says directly that the Joint Information Center flat out states that there are vessels awaiting Jones Act Waivers?

Seriously, this is disturbing how far you'll go to protect your mind from reality. It is flat like watching Dixie argue about Bush's crisis handling.
 
Why not check that other thread where it says directly that the Joint Information Center flat out states that there are vessels awaiting Jones Act Waivers?

Seriously, this is disturbing how far you'll go to protect your mind from reality. It is flat like watching Dixie argue about Bush's crisis handling.


I've checked out the other thread and, frankly, the article doesn't really say much of anything of substance. I'm simply not buying your GOP claptrap.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Obviously, you didn't read the link where FACT CHECK.ORG documents exactly why your assertions regarding the Jones Act doesn't apply here.

Either that or just being stubborn with a bad case of intellectual myopia.

Go back and READ IT CAREFULLY AND COMPREHENSIVELY....because you look damned foolish hurling insults in leiu of getting things ass backwards.

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sho...&postcount=244

*sigh* Reality isn't within your comprehension...

Did you bother looking at the "chart" they provided?

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/143488.pdf

All are "under consideration" except for purchases of booms. The response has been chaotic, and doesn't allow any solutions as all are forever "under consideration"...

Saying that the Jones Act doesn't apply doesn't change that every one of these needs waivers to get to work and none of them are at work.

So, while the factcheck.org works to be an Obama apologist it doesn't change the fact that none of the skimmers are approved and working.


:palm: Pay attention, Damo:

from FactCheck.org

The Deepwater Horizon response team reported in a June 15 press release that there are 15 foreign flagged ships currently participating in the oil spill cleanup. None of them needed a waiver because the Jones Act does not apply. The Jones Act is a trade and commerce law that was enacted in 1920 as part of a larger Marine Merchant Act. It requires all trade delivered between U.S. ports to be carried in U.S. flagged vessels constructed in the United States and owned by American citizens. The law states its purpose is to develop a merchant marine for national defense and commerce.


And here's what came from the horses mouth on June 15th, so to speak:

Admiral Allen Provides Guidance to Ensure Expedited Jones Act Waiver Processing Should It Be Needed


While we have not seen any need to waive the Jones Act as part of this historic response, we continue to prepare for all possible scenarios,” said Admiral Allen. “Should any waivers be needed, we are prepared to process them as quickly as possible to allow vital spill response activities being undertaken by foreign-flagged vessels to continue without delay.”


http://www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com/go/doc/2931/660195/


And had YOU examined YOUR link more closely, you'd have noticed the following:

Canada: Accepted 9,843 ft containment boom accepted June 4. Arrived on scene and now in the field for staging.
*More boom offered 14 June, under consideration.

Croatia: Proposed solution has been shown to engineers and technical experts, will be incorporated into response as needed.

International Maritime Organization: Accepted. Requested IMO to send communication to all 169 Member States and the maritime community generally regarding use of websites provided by the U.S. to assist in safe navigation in the Gulf of Mexico

Mexico: BP purchased 13,780 feet of boom and two skimmers in early May. Arrived in field and now on scene.

Netherlands: skimmers Accepted on May 23. BP purchased three rigid Koseq sweeping arms accepted May 23.

Norway: Eight skimming systems accepted in early May





Understand now, bunky? The urban legend that your neocon buddies have been bullhorning ISN'T TRUE. Had you THOROUGHLY read the FactCheck article with it's LINKS, you'd know this. Seems you have a serious case of research myopia (aka willful ignorance).

Next time you want to condescend to someone, know WTF you're talking about...makes you look less foolish.
 
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:palm: Pay attention, Damo:

from FactCheck.org

The Deepwater Horizon response team reported in a June 15 press release that there are 15 foreign flagged ships currently participating in the oil spill cleanup. None of them needed a waiver because the Jones Act does not apply. The Jones Act is a trade and commerce law that was enacted in 1920 as part of a larger Marine Merchant Act. It requires all trade delivered between U.S. ports to be carried in U.S. flagged vessels constructed in the United States and owned by American citizens. The law states its purpose is to develop a merchant marine for national defense and commerce.


And here's what came from the horses mouth on June 15th, so to speak:

Admiral Allen Provides Guidance to Ensure Expedited Jones Act Waiver Processing Should It Be Needed


While we have not seen any need to waive the Jones Act as part of this historic response, we continue to prepare for all possible scenarios,” said Admiral Allen. “Should any waivers be needed, we are prepared to process them as quickly as possible to allow vital spill response activities being undertaken by foreign-flagged vessels to continue without delay.”


http://www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com/go/doc/2931/660195/


And had YOU examined YOUR link more closely, you'd have noticed the following:

Canada: Accepted 9,843 ft containment boom accepted June 4. Arrived on scene and now in the field for staging.
*More boom offered 14 June, under consideration.

Croatia: Proposed solution has been shown to engineers and technical experts, will be incorporated into response as needed.

International Maritime Organization: Accepted. Requested IMO to send communication to all 169 Member States and the maritime community generally regarding use of websites provided by the U.S. to assist in safe navigation in the Gulf of Mexico

Mexico: BP purchased 13,780 feet of boom and two skimmers in early May. Arrived in field and now on scene.

Netherlands: skimmers Accepted on May 23. BP purchased three rigid Koseq sweeping arms accepted May 23.

Norway: Eight skimming systems accepted in early May





Understand now, bunky? The urban legend that your neocon buddies have been bullhorning ISN'T TRUE. Had you THOROUGHLY read the FactCheck article with it's LINKS, you'd know this. Seems you have a serious case of research myopia (aka willful ignorance).

Next time you want to condescend to someone, know WTF you're talking about...makes you look less foolish.
Hey, TCL, you need to pay attention. Later articles were posted where the people in charge actually spoke to the very real fact that there are ships awaiting Jones Act Waivers... factcheck appears to have it a bit wrong. I think where they went wrong was in assuming that all the ships available to us have even close to been "accepted"...

I, in fact, used the chart provided in that factcheck "article" to point out that I was correct.

It seems you are up to the same "trick" of pretending that you cannot read the thread. I expect you to link back to another post that was already shown to be factually incorrect. Then you can, like Nigel, just cover your ears and pretend that the articles that I posted just are somehow "wrong" because you heard from one side rather than from the Joint Information Center...

Thanks for playing, you are an entertaining fellow.
 
Although I will say, that finally, just today in fact, Obama's administration have "accepted" help from 12 international sources' skimmers, the nations given the nod are as of yet unnamed, and the "deals" have yet to be struck... They didn't say why they are still holding out on 30 other requests...
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Pay attention, Damo:

from FactCheck.org

The Deepwater Horizon response team reported in a June 15 press release that there are 15 foreign flagged ships currently participating in the oil spill cleanup. None of them needed a waiver because the Jones Act does not apply. The Jones Act is a trade and commerce law that was enacted in 1920 as part of a larger Marine Merchant Act. It requires all trade delivered between U.S. ports to be carried in U.S. flagged vessels constructed in the United States and owned by American citizens. The law states its purpose is to develop a merchant marine for national defense and commerce.


And here's what came from the horses mouth on June 15th, so to speak:

Admiral Allen Provides Guidance to Ensure Expedited Jones Act Waiver Processing Should It Be Needed


While we have not seen any need to waive the Jones Act as part of this historic response, we continue to prepare for all possible scenarios,” said Admiral Allen. “Should any waivers be needed, we are prepared to process them as quickly as possible to allow vital spill response activities being undertaken by foreign-flagged vessels to continue without delay.”


http://www.deepwaterhorizonresponse....c/2931/660195/


And had YOU examined YOUR link more closely, you'd have noticed the following:

Canada: Accepted 9,843 ft containment boom accepted June 4. Arrived on scene and now in the field for staging.
*More boom offered 14 June, under consideration.

Croatia: Proposed solution has been shown to engineers and technical experts, will be incorporated into response as needed.

International Maritime Organization: Accepted. Requested IMO to send communication to all 169 Member States and the maritime community generally regarding use of websites provided by the U.S. to assist in safe navigation in the Gulf of Mexico

Mexico: BP purchased 13,780 feet of boom and two skimmers in early May. Arrived in field and now on scene.

Netherlands: skimmers Accepted on May 23. BP purchased three rigid Koseq sweeping arms accepted May 23.

Norway: Eight skimming systems accepted in early May




Understand now, bunky? The urban legend that your neocon buddies have been bullhorning ISN'T TRUE. Had you THOROUGHLY read the FactCheck article with it's LINKS, you'd know this. Seems you have a serious case of research myopia (aka willful ignorance).

Next time you want to condescend to someone, know WTF you're talking about...makes you look less foolish.

Hey, TCL, you need to pay attention. Later articles were posted where the people in charge actually spoke to the very real fact that there are ships awaiting Jones Act Waivers... factcheck appears to have it a bit wrong. I think where they went wrong was in assuming that all the ships available to us have even close to been "accepted"...

:palm: Since the Admiral Allen stated that waivers would be processed accordingly, and that ships ALREADY operating could be assured that any Jones Act forms would be processed as to NOT discontinue their actions, it would seem that YOU have some confusion as to what is exactly transpiring and how it's being handled. READ ALL THE INFORMATION I PROVIDED AND THEN COMPARE IT TO WHAT YOU ARE SEPARATELY READING. The correlations are there, if you chose to honestly see it.

I, in fact, used the chart provided in that factcheck "article" to point out that I was correct.

And as I pointed out, you got it wrong because you didn't read ALL the material availble, and only "selected" information from the chart that suited your viewpoint.

It seems you are up to the same "trick" of pretending that you cannot read the thread. I expect you to link back to another post that was already shown to be factually incorrect. Then you can, like Nigel, just cover your ears and pretend that the articles that I posted just are somehow "wrong" because you heard from one side rather than from the Joint Information Center...

Seems you're full of it as usual.....the information I put forth clearly shows that YOU WEREN'T AWARE OF WHAT THE ADMIRAL STATED, and that YOU selected parts of the "chart" that supported your statement. That you try to ignore what is in plain print makes your assertions all the more ludicrous.

Thanks for playing, you are an entertaining fellow.

:palm: Your inflated ego demonstrated in these statements is really sad, given how the factual evidence is against you. You really need to get your act together, Damo.
 
:palm: Your inflated ego demonstrated in these statements is really sad, given how the factual evidence is against you. You really need to get your act together, Damo.
You again simply just ignore later posts and articles that showed that factcheck was just a "bit off"... It's okay. When factcheck takes its information from only one part rather than from the joint informational center for the response it is bound to have only parts of the information.
 
Although I will say, that finally, just today in fact, Obama's administration have "accepted" help from 12 international sources' skimmers, the nations given the nod are as of yet unnamed, and the "deals" have yet to be struck... They didn't say why they are still holding out on 30 other requests...

Your bias against Obama clouds your judgement. Why are negotiations/procedures regarding the Jones Act seen as "holding out" by the Administration? Why are you assuming that the other nations involved are not going through the legal processes? Or are you that naive to think it's just a phone call or handshake to okay everything? No coordination necessary?

If if Obama exercised executive priviledge to waive the Jones Act, you'd STILL have major steps and procedures to follow BEFORE the ships entered the disaster area.
 
You again simply just ignore later posts and articles that showed that factcheck was just a "bit off"... It's okay. When factcheck takes its information from only one part rather than from the joint informational center for the response it is bound to have only parts of the information.

You're a liar...because I presented here a link in the factcheck article to a source that YOU weren't aware of... a source who's information validated and supported what factcheck put forth. It's all there in the post, whether you acknowledge it or not. I also showed how YOU left out some pertinent information from the "chart" that disproved one of your crucial claims. I notice you didn't have the stones to deal with that either.

Grow up, Damo. If resorting to lying and denial of what is in plain sight and print is all you've got, then there's no point in my continuing trying to have an honest debate with you.
 
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Your bias against Obama clouds your judgement. Why are negotiations/procedures regarding the Jones Act seen as "holding out" by the Administration? Why are you assuming that the other nations involved are not going through the legal processes? Or are you that naive to think it's just a phone call or handshake to okay everything? No coordination necessary?

If if Obama exercised executive priviledge to waive the Jones Act, you'd STILL have major steps and procedures to follow BEFORE the ships entered the disaster area.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/US-accepts-international-apf-4104246595.html?x=0&.v=2

Why don't you read it. Most of these aren't from the Jones Act, that applies to the ships that want (and are designed) to work within the three miles of shore. Only a portion of the help still waits waivers because of that.

Anyway, above is the story where you can find that Obama is finally "accepting" help.

The red tape has been cleared for only a portion of those that could be helping us get rid of some of the sludge...

And here, you can find a quote from the joint information center telling you that there are indeed ships that still await a Jones Act waiver...

http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/06/red_tape_keeps_prized_oil-figh.html
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Your bias against Obama clouds your judgement. Why are negotiations/procedures regarding the Jones Act seen as "holding out" by the Administration? Why are you assuming that the other nations involved are not going through the legal processes? Or are you that naive to think it's just a phone call or handshake to okay everything? No coordination necessary?

If if Obama exercised executive priviledge to waive the Jones Act, you'd STILL have major steps and procedures to follow BEFORE the ships entered the disaster area.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/US-accepts-international-apf-4104246595.html?x=0&.v=2

Why don't you read it. Most of these aren't from the Jones Act, that applies to the ships that want (and are designed) to work within the three miles of shore. Only a portion of the help still waits waivers because of that.

Anyway, above is the story where you can find that Obama is finally "accepting" help.

The red tape has been cleared for only a portion of those that could be helping us get rid of some of the sludge...

:palm: Does this article state that there wasn't aid from other countries regarding ships?

Nope.

Does this article disprove what was presented in the information I sighted or the chart we both discussed?

Nope.

You don't like the delays...neither do I...but your automatic assumption that it's all the "fault" of the Obama administration is just that...an assumption. And in order to maintain that assumption, one would have to deny the information in the factcheck article...as you have done.
 
The Obama is only interested in obtaining more power for the federal government. He cares nothing for the environment and jobs.
 
The Obama is only interested in obtaining more power for the federal government. He cares nothing for the environment and jobs.

Oh please, you were happy as a clam in beer with the Executive Branch centrist gov't of the Shrub & company...but since Obama want's to regulate THE VERY CORPORATIONS AND BUSINESSES THAT HAVE SCREWED OVER THE AMERICAN PUBLIC AND OUTSOURCED US INTO A DEPRESSION, now you start wailing aout the federal gov't.

Wake up....BP is a private corporation....they FAILED. Now suddenly, jokers like you are wailing it's the federal gov'ts fault.

You can't have it both ways...but I doubt if you will ever acknowledge the irony of your stance.
 
Oh please, you were happy as a clam in beer with the Executive Branch centrist gov't of the Shrub & company...but since Obama want's to regulate THE VERY CORPORATIONS AND BUSINESSES THAT HAVE SCREWED OVER THE AMERICAN PUBLIC AND OUTSOURCED US INTO A DEPRESSION, now you start wailing aout the federal gov't.

Wake up....BP is a private corporation....they FAILED. Now suddenly, jokers like you are wailing it's the federal gov'ts fault.

You can't have it both ways...but I doubt if you will ever acknowledge the irony of your stance.
Why has The Obama rejected private clean up efforts?
 
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