There are Two basic political ideologies: 'Individualism' & 'Collectivism'

[The Sage of Main Street]

the closest thing America has to a nazi is a woke progressive.

Preppy Progressives


What's wrong with calling them "Commies"? The fact is that today, as always, Marxists come from the born-rich class you worship. Before World War II, the entitled guillotine-fodder used to be Nazis, too, but not anymore. In fact, the heiristocrats invented anti-semitism in order to blame the Jews for what they themselves have always done. Question someone from Stormfart about the privileges of richkids, such as draftdodging, and he's all for all of that for his divinely appointed Masters.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

What law is taking women's liberties away? If you're referring to abortion then you're either oblivious to or just plain ignorant of the fact that killing one's baby is indeed a crime, let alone being immoral ,and that no one should be in favor of giving a woman the liberty to kill her unborn.

Palace Preachers


"The unborn" is as much a weirdo creepy concept as "the undead." The class that Christofascists worship wants to stick working-class males with shotgun marriages or long-term child support that underpaid blue-collar workers can't afford.

 

[Bigdog]

Who owns the land for public schools? - the state (The local government would be considered the state under the definition you provided.)
who pays the workers in the public schools? - the state
Who controls which books are used in public schools? - the state
Who pays for all the books used in public schools? - the state
Who sets the curriculum in public schools? - the state
Who set the standards for production when they set the standards for graduation? - the state
Who controls the means of producing educated students? - the state
Unless you are arguing that public schools produce nothing it would appear that public schools fit nicely into your definition of collectivism.

Children are NOT "products" or "services" to be used and sold.


Democrats Some things never change.

 

[Bigdog]

but education is still compulsory, which is based on collectivism

Yes, so is clothing, housing and feeding them.

Children do not have adult rights and freedom. They are a protected class because they are immature.

 

[zymurgy]

Yes, so is clothing, housing and feeding them.

Children do not have adult rights and freedom. They are a protected class because they are immature.

ok - children do not have full rights - but the parents do.

You are confused here - public vs private is irrelevant. compulsory schooling is obviously collectivism. society says we need to be educated - so the collective has a say over the individual parents.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Children are NOT "products" or "services" to be used and sold.


Democrats Some things never change.

Education is the product or service. Did you never get one? Is that why you don't understand what schools provide?

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Yes, so is clothing, housing and feeding them.

Children do not have adult rights and freedom. They are a protected class because they are immature.

Individualism results in the government protecting people instead of people being self-reliant?

 

[Bigdog]

ok - children do not have full rights - but the parents do.

You are confused here - public vs private is irrelevant. compulsory schooling is obviously collectivism. society says we need to be educated - so the collective has a say over the individual parents.

Part of the individualism philosophy is do no harm to others, ... in this case children. Depriving them of an education is harmful.

But the Political definition of collectivism is ...

"the theory and practice of the ownership of land and the means of production by the people or the state.

"the Russian Revolution decided to alter the course of modernity towards collectivism"

 

[zymurgy]

Depriving them of an education is harmful.

says the collective. it's textbook collectivism

 

[NiftyNiblick]

"the theory and practice of the ownership of land and the means of production by the people or the state.

It's been redefined by its advocates and practitioners alike, but the reactionaries, always on the wrong side of history, haven't noticed.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

ok - children do not have full rights - but the parents do.

You are confused here - public vs private is irrelevant. compulsory schooling is obviously collectivism. society says we need to be educated - so the collective has a say over the individual parents.

Common sense says it's in the best interests of States, and the United States as a whole, that our citizens are both educated and productive. Healthy, educated and gainfully employed citizens provide a solid tax base and pool for the military....although candy bars and social media seem to reduce those numbers dramatically.

25 year olds working part-time jobs and living with their parents isn't good for them or the country as a whole.

 

[Truth Detector]

Already did, you piece of shit.

Then why ask moron?

 

[Truth Detector]

bye asshole troll

Thread trolling worthless piece of human excrement thinks I would give a shit.

 

[Truth Detector]

I am much smarter and better informed than you.

Not only stupid, but he lacks any self awareness.

 

[Truth Detector]

The left on this board is intellectually vacuous. Even as leftists go, the fascists on JPP are dull witted. AProudLefty runs once any discussion goes beyond the most basic level where he can regurgitate mindless talking points. There really is no leftist on this site with the ability to argue a position. Just a bunch of mindless drones vomiting out idiocy from the fascist hate sites like KOS, Huffington, and CNN. The entire bunch seem bereft of even rudimentary intelligence

Spot on. It doesn't take very long to figure that out either.

 

[Truth Detector]

Agreed. The wannabe Americans are usually pretty fucked up.

Doesn't think he's fucked up.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

says the collective. it's textbook collectivism

He Is the Default Pronoun for "He or She"


What the Right refuses to see as collectivist is the retarded grammar of using "they" with a singular antecedent, as in "If a lawyer does this, they should be prosecuted." Chickenhawk Rightists are hypocritical about everything; they have no standards and are just as permissive for their own side as the Liberals are. Because challenging this grammar among their own would reflect on their store-bought education, they have to make excuses for their conformity to the Illiterate Liberal Language Lords.

Confusing singular and plural so frequently literally causes brain-damage, another goal of the Educationists besides creating a collectivist mindset.

 

[BidenPresident]

He Is the Default Pronoun for "He or She"


What the Right refuses to see as collectivist is the retarded grammar of using "they" with a singular antecedent, as in "If a lawyer does this, they should be prosecuted." Chickenhawk Rightists are hypocritical about everything; they have no standards and are just as permissive for their own side as the Liberals are. Because challenging this grammar among their own would reflect on their store-bought education, they have to make excuses for their conformity to the Illiterate Liberal Language Lords.

Confusing singular and plural so frequently literally causes brain-damage, another goal of the Educationists besides creating a collectivist mindset.

wow

 

[zymurgy]

He Is the Default Pronoun for "He or She"


What the Right refuses to see as collectivist is the retarded grammar of using "they" with a singular antecedent, as in "If a lawyer does this, they should be prosecuted." Chickenhawk Rightists are hypocritical about everything; they have no standards and are just as permissive for their own side as the Liberals are. Because challenging this grammar among their own would reflect on their store-bought education, they have to make excuses for their conformity to the Illiterate Liberal Language Lords.

Confusing singular and plural so frequently literally causes brain-damage, another goal of the Educationists besides creating a collectivist mindset.

cuckoo cuckoo

 

[jbander]

Since the far right favors individual liberty and limited government, the minimum value logically belongs on the right side of the political spectrum. And since the left favors collective rights and virtually unlimited government power and control (which is an understatement), the maximum value logically belongs to the left.

One side favors individual rights and freedoms, starting with anarchism, and liberalism (in moving from right to left). The other (the Left) favors collective "rights" and "freedom," possessed only by groups of people nonexistent for the individual. These are the leftist ideologies of totalitarianism, communism, fascism, and socialism.

These basic facts don't look good for the far left, so they have to constantly work to confuse the issue. This is why the co-opted deceptive words like "liberal" and "progressive: because the people won't support them if they knew the truth.

In the Federalist, Eleanor Bartow made the case that we should not call the "left-liberal-progressives" liberals any longer, but we should call them leftists for "They are Intolerant, Divisive, and Anti-Liberty. She makes the point that authoritarians of the far-left are only trying to confuse the issue with their false "liberal" label.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2023/03/stop_conflating_leftists_with_liberals.html


As I've mentioned many times before on these forums, 'Classical Liberalism' is the exact opposite of today's left wing version of that 'liberal' term. There's nothing liberating about being a leftist. Absolutely NOTHING, and thus, my anti leftist liberalism moniker is a great sign for those who want to know the truth about the sad state of affairs that the leftist political party is doing to we freedom loving Americans and to America itself.

In this country the two basic ideology are MAGA hate Nazi's and democrats.