You've known me six years and my answer has been the same every time. I think I even addressed it once in this thread. Unfortunately, your question is not relevant to TX gun laws.
Texas man’s concealed handgun discharges in elementary school
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You've known me six years and my answer has been the same every time. I think I even addressed it once in this thread. Unfortunately, your question is not relevant to TX gun laws.
ExpressLane
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My high school had burglar proof glass.
Monad Portal
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still a good idea.
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this sounds like a terrorist threat.
Not mine. Just a big, black ex pro foot ball player as the disciplinarian. Dude worked wonders...
So with 131,000 schools and let's say 80 windows per school and lets go with the low end of $3,000 per window, gosh, that would only cost $31 billion. If you wanted to put in glass that can survive military rounds then you could triple that cost. Of course that's just for the materials. Then it would require the architect and engineering costs plus installation. So you are probably talking about $150-200 billion. And you still haven't hardened any walls or doors yet.
But then you won't want to pay for that, will you?
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it's the only option considering gun grabbing is unconstitutional.
ExpressLane
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I don't think you even ever gave me a straight answer so I will assume the answer is you don't own a gun and have an irrational fear of guns therefore you don't want others to own them either. The kid had to answer FEDERAL questions in accordance to FEDERAL GUN LAWS to purchase a firearm.
ExpressLane
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Oh gee they might have to cut into their football budget what a shame. Many schools already have burglar proof glass asshat.
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Oh gee they might have to cut into their football budget what a shame. Many schools already have burglar proof glass asshat.
If any place should be a "gun free zone", it should be the school.
ExpressLane
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If any place is worth protecting it is a school.
ExpressLane
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The glass helped prevent breaking after hours.
The point is schools shouldn't need protection. Up until about twenty years ago they never did need it. That's what we should get back to, not turning them into armed camps for children.
Yes. Or here and anywhere else, except maybe Somalia or Afghanistan.
It's odd how you RWers insist that TEACHERS must be trained with firearms. Yet you're just fine with any psycho with a grudge, disgruntled former employee, or the like to go buy a weapon capable of mass murder *with no training required at all." Seriously, WTF is wrong with you all?
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Oh kids train on Call of Duty and other video games every day. And our violence loving Libratard friends in Hollywood help train them also.
Oh gee they might have to cut into their football budget what a shame. Many schools already have burglar proof glass asshat.
Poor Richard is right. And I'd go a step further and point out that's wildly inefficient spending.
See here:
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/a01
According to that, we're averaging about 18.9 kids murdered at school in the average year.... and that's ALL murders, not just shootings, much less spree shootings. Even something like a drug overdose can show up as a school homicide. But for the sake of argument, imagine if those windows could prevent 100% of those deaths. So, say it's $200 billion total, with an average 20-year useful life, working out to $10 billion per year.
So, how many lives could we save with $10 billion spent efficiently?
Well, if we treated all children's lives as equally valuable, we'd spend that $10 billion on protecting kids from malaria. The average cost there is about $4,500 per life saved. So, $10,000,000,000 would save 2.2 MILLION children every year, instead of 18.9 of them:
https://www.givewell.org/charities/top-charities
But, I understand that conservatives will generally take the implicit view that foreign lives have no value, and so we should only spend that money on US children. So, how many American children's lives could we save with $10 billion well-spent?
Well, consider that as of 2009, the DOT put the value of a statistical life at $6 million. That is, if a regulation (e.g., requiring new cars to have a particular new safety feature), or spending (e.g., installing more barriers on two-lane roads) would cost less than $6.0 million per life, it was considered worth it and the DOT would recommend it, but if it cost more than that, it was considered too expensive and the DOT would look elsewhere.
https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R41140
Adjusted for inflation, that would be $8.09 million today. So, it's reasonable to think that there are plenty of potential transportation regulations or spending programs out there that are being turned down as "too expensive," which could be saving one American life per $10 million, right?
So, then $10 billion divided by $10/million per life saved would be equal to 1,000. In other words, spending that $10 billion more wisely (even in a way that's mildly inefficient, at a cost of $10 million per life), would be expected to save 1,000 lives. 22.1% of Americans are under the age of 18. So, out of 1,000 lives saved, other things being equal, we'd expect about 221 to be children.
So, with that $10 billion per year, if we spent it more wisely on transportation regulations or safety programs, rather than pissing it away on burglar-proof glass for schools, we'd be saving about 221 children's lives per year, instead of just 18.9..... and we'd be saving 779 adult lives as a beneficial side effect.
Choosing to save the 18.9, in that case instead of the 221 (or 1,000 including adults, or 2.2 million if we cared about foreigners) is immoral. It prioritizes the drama of the death over the value of the life.
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The games aren't the problem. Pretty much all the same games are available in Japan, South Korea, Germany, and so on.... and in some of those countries, people game even more than here. The issue is that we have a gun-saturated society.