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i guess this was too much for onceler to handle. first it was only jesus, then when he realized how dumb that logic was, he then moved on to the whole NT and oooops.
watch the spin now.....
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i guess this was too much for onceler to handle. first it was only jesus, then when he realized how dumb that logic was, he then moved on to the whole NT and oooops.
watch the spin now.....
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LMAO.... poor Ditzie.... I have thoroughly trashed your 'logic'. You make a point, I counter it with facts and your response is 'I don't wanna get into a theological debate'. You keep attempting to project some hatred of religion onto me. There is NO religion out there (that I am aware of) that I hate. The only one displaying hatred towards a religion is YOU. THAT is what I have been countering this entire thread. YOUR HATRED and intolerance of Muslims.
YOU proclaim that Christians have it right because the bible was written prior to the Quran. You claim that the Bible is the Word of God, yet somehow the Quran is not. You claim that Muslims don't believe in the God of Abraham even though 1.2 BILLION Muslims disagree with you. YOU claim that Islam is a 'counterfeit religion'. Yet 1.2 Billion Muslims disagree.
When people address these bigoted 'points' of yours, you run and hide behind your 'I don't wanna get into a theological debate' or 'I am not a Christian' blah blah blah.
So when I quote your EXACT words, somehow I am twisting them?
Again you bigoted piece of shit.... WHAT religion did I attack?.... WHAT religion did YOU attack?
See if you can man up and actually answer a question for once instead of running away.
Also... one cannot take words out of context if one posts the entire fucking quote.
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Written by Paul, who was rumored to be a latent homosexual, himself...if not, a misogynist of the first order.
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This one is debatable.... It states 'exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones'.... since homosexual acts are natural to a homosexual, it is heterosexual acts that would be unnatural to them.
This one does condemn homosexuality. But it also condemns Alias, Yurt and Ditzie. So it is a nice self burn.
So you are saying I didn't make a debatable statement?
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Yeah from the little I've read of the bibles, none of those guys were big fans of women. Must be why such a large swath of the right worships them.
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still spazzing about me because you lost the argument. lmao.
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You are quite the fool. I simply mentioned your name and you spaz out about 'spazzing' yet again?
Interesting.... yurt... yurt... yurt.... does triplicate make you spaz even more? If so this should be quite funny. Also, glad to see you didn't try to refute my comment as we all know the second passage damned you twice.
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wow...pure spazz above, that you don't see it is hilarious. there is nothing to refute, your claim is bogus and is the result of a sore loser who can't admit he is wrong. you ran around the board in multiple threads whining about it.
yeah, keep projecting SF. you look like a fool.
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bogus? It says quite clearly.....
I was wrong... it damns you three times.
1) You are a lawyer.... thus no swindlers
2) You are a reviler.... your bigoted comments about Muslims proves that
3) You are effeminate.... your are without question the biggest Mangina on the board.
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you're still crying you lost that argument.
LOL
good projection on your part. it is funny, i was going to use some of those words to describe you, but thought, nah, it is too childish of thing to do and then you go and do the same thing. thanks for the laughs spazz.
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What argument did I lose yurtsie?
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you still can't admit it to yourself?
that i'm a bigot for my belief. you failed to explain how i'm a bigot using the definition, i even went out of my way to provide you with the definition. and you failed to follow your own claims when a muslim says the same thing about jews.
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you still can't admit it to yourself?
that i'm a bigot for my belief. you failed to explain how i'm a bigot using the definition, i even went out of my way to provide you with the definition. and you failed to follow your own claims when a muslim says the same thing about jews.
The above just shows how dishonest you are. I addressed why you are a bigot shortly after you posted the definition. I then addressed it again later in the thread when you pretended not to see the original response. Now you again proclaim that I didn't address it.
In making the CLAIM that Muslims 'altered God' (they did not, they simply believe different things about the same entity... the God of Abraham) and then steadfastly sticking by that comment due to YOUR beliefs, you are showing an intolerance towards their religious beliefs. 1.2 BILLION Muslims will tell you they believe in the God of Abraham. Yet YOU proclaim they do not, because of your personal beliefs. While you have not displayed hatred towards Muslims, you have most certainly shown intolerance towards them due to their beliefs.
You further hold them to standards that you do not hold to other religions. That too is bigotry. You claim that because 'Allah' doesn't have a son, that he cannot be the same as God. At the same time, the Jews also do not believe that God had a son, yet you proclaim their God is the same as Christians. You have yet to justify that stupidity. If anything, the Muslims definition of God is closer to the Jews than the Christians (both do not believe the God of Abraham had a son) and the Muslims are similarly closer to the Christians than the Christians are to the Jews (the Muslims at least believe Jesus was a prophet, the Jews do not).
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It only took a minute.... Given his continued claims that 'u didn't respond'.... I knew which posts to go back and quote.... but yes, he will come back again with some attempt to spin.
My guess is that he will again spout his bullshit about the quote in the Quran. The one that doesn't even say the same thing he did in reverse, yet he pretends it does in some vain effort to justify his own bigotry.
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No pinhead, I am sorry, but you haven't thoroughly "trashed" anything except your own little pinhead mind. You stating that my "logic is seriously flawed" doesn't automatically mean my logic is seriously flawed, it means SF has proclaimed if from his pinhead authoritarian throne, and that's it... we're supposed to accept the word of SF on High, because you said so! You presented nothing to show my logic flawed, you merely stated it was, and continued to fill the board with stupidity.
No, I make a valid and logical point on principle and fact, and you attempt to run from the point by dragging the debate into a theology discussion, which I have repeatedly told you I am not having. You've not presented any facts, you don't need facts, you are SF Almighty, you make the rules, you assign values to what is said, you interpret what is meant, and you decide things like what is logical and factual, the rest of us are mere mortals, humbled to be in your presence.
Your hatred for religion, in particular, Christian religion, drips from every post you make here. Whether you are aware of your bigoted prejudice or not, I don't know... apparently not, since you don't think you come across this way. I don't HATE Muslims, or their religion, I simply pointed out it is a sham and fraud. It was based on Christianity, centuries after the Christians formed their religion, in order to counter Jewish and Christian influence and ultimately (according to their doctrine) destroy their religion. You can't disprove this because it's factual, so you claim that I am intolerant and hate them, but all I am doing is pointing out facts. Historical record shows centuries of Islam's aggressive intolerance of Jews and Christians, supporting exactly what I said.... and you can't refute that.
No, I claimed that the Bible and Christianity preceded Islam by several centuries, and that Islam was created to counter and destroy Judaism, Christianity, and any other religious belief that isn't Islam. You[ve offered NOTHING to refute that. I've never stated that anyone "got it right" and you won't find me using that phrase here, because it sounds like something a fucked in the head moron like you would say, not someone who has an ounce of sense. It's another glimmering example of SF perverting what he has read, and proclaiming it to mean something entirely different, because SF is Omnipotent and Good... we should all bow in his presence and accept His Word as The Truth, The Light, and The Way! Amen!
No, I claim that Christians believe the Bible is the Word of God, and they believed this for centuries before Mohammed invented Islam to destroy the Jews. The Qaran directly contradicts the Bible, how can it possibly be, that BOTH are the Word of God? Does God have split personality disorder? This is the only way a logical and rational person could conclude such. Of course, the Almighty SF can wave his hand and proclaim they are the same and equal, and thus... they are!
No, I pointed out how they CAN'T believe in the God of Abraham, it is illogical to presume they do. I claimed they are a counterfeit religion because they directly copied Jewish and Christian dogma in their own fraudulent story, centuries after Judaism and Christianity, with the sole purpose being, to destroy those religions. How many people have been brainwashed into believing a false history and a fraudulent story, is irrelevant. Contrary to what the Almighty SF proclaims, the number of people who believe a lie, doesn't make it less of a lie.
You're not addressing any points I have made, you want to run to the Scriptures and pretend to be debating theology with me instead. You and the Muslims have taken Christianity out in the back alley for a good beat down, and I have intervened... now you want to defend your actions by telling me how much Christianity deserved the beat down, what a 'bad guy' Christianity is, and you and the Muslims were only doing what was necessary, until I came along and pulled you off. Then you proceed to 'associate' me with Christianity, so that you and the Muslims can jump on me and beat me down with Christianity, because we are one in the same, because SF on High proclaimed it to be...thus it was!
Not when you quote my exact words.... that's fine... if you would just shut up and say nothing else, there would be no problem. What you like to do is, quote my words, then assign your own interpretations and meanings to my words, and claim that is what I said, when that's not what I said, and even when I disagree, you want to continue to insist that's what I said, and I am running away.
You attack Christianity, Christians, Jews, Judaism, and anything related to them, and you do this routinely in thread after thread here. It's obvious you hate religion and religious belief, unless it is Islamic... then you suddenly find something you can get behind and defend, while continuing to bash Christians. I don't think you love Islam, you just see Islam as a convenient shield to use in your war against Christianity.
One may not can... but YOU can, because you are the Great and Almighty SF... Omnipotent Immortal King of All Words! We should all genuflect toward you, and bow in your presence!
FOOL!
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this is why i left you to spin your wheels earlier. you just repeat the same bullshit. having different beliefs does not mean i am "intolerant" at all. here is the definition of intolerant:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/intolerant
using your logic, because you don't accept my beliefs, means YOU are a bigot. such logic is nonsense. to claim that i'm obstinate is also absurd. using that logic anytime you stick to a belief, you're obstinate. at least you admit an important part of the definition, that i have displayed no hatred. that alone should tell you how stupid you are to claim i'm bigoted in my beliefs.
as to the quote in the quran, you constantly IGNORE the fact that muhammad, the founder of islam actually made that statement. he stated that the jews altered the word of god. that is equivalent to my claim that they altered god from the christian and jewish texts.
you can rant and rave about your opinion that belief is "stupidity", but in doing so you have proven (NOTE: using your logic) that you are a bigot.
your supposition that i hold them to different standards has no merit. it is not only because islam claims allah does not have son, but many other reasons. allah told muhammad he did not have a son. christ claims to the be the son of god. god told john the baptist that jesus is his son. if allah and god are the same, their claims would be the same. i gave a link showing numerous differences between allah and god, but i'm sure you ignored that.
lastly, i stress again, having different beliefs, alone, does not make one a bigot. if that is so, then you are a bigot for not accepting (or intolerant) my beliefs, muslims are bigots for not accepting (or intolerant) christian beliefs. you are the who hold religions to different standards. muslims "obstinately" refuse to accept jesus as the son of god, they condemn christianity for making him the son of god. yet, you don't want to say they are bigoted or intolerant. your double standard is telling.
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Sorry pinhead ditzie.... but your 'logic' has been trashed.
LMAO... this is why people mock you ditzie... because the above is simply false. You posted scripture and told us it is the word of God and Christians have to believe the Bible in order to be Christians. I then posted scripture from the SAME book of the Bible and ASK you if Christians must also believe them. THIS is the point where you run and hide and proclaim you don't want a theological discussion.
The fact that you cannot see why this makes you an idiot, makes it all the more amusing for the rest of us.
Yet you cannot show one post where I am displaying my hatred for Christianity? Not one? Even though 'every post I make here drips in it'?
LMAO.... seriously, you provide much amusement with stupid comments like the above. You don't hate them or their religion, you just continue to tell 1.2 Billion Muslims that their religion is a sham and a fraud. You.... Mr. tolerance himself.... swear to Allah/God.... you are the dumbest poster here.
And Christians formed their religion centuries after other religions and took many of the myths of those religions and turned them into new stories written in the bible.
you want me to 'disprove' your bullshit claims that Islam was created by Mohammad to destroy Christianity/Judaism??? You forget that historical records also show centuries of aggressive intolerance from Christians towards those who did not believe in Christianity. Or are you going to pretend those FACTS didn't occur? Are you going to pretend those Christians didn't lead any wars against Muslims?
Like I stated long ago... you are a bigot... just like Yurt.
The point ditzie is you continue to proclaim that ISLAM is a 'fraud/sham'.... you ARE saying that they 'got it wrong'. YET ALL of those religions are based on texts written by MAN based on those MEN's INTERPRETATIONS of what God/Allah was telling them. You have proclaimed that Jews were promised the land which we now call Israel. You have stated it was 'mandated by God' and it was done so in the Bible 'the WORD OF GOD' and was talked about in stories for 1000's of years. Thus it must be true.
This is where your lack of intellect continues to hit you with a roadblock.
1) The Bible, The Quran, The Tanakh...... all were written by MEN. All were accounts from those MEN about what God told them.
2) you keep saying Mohammed 'invented Islam to destroy the Jews/Christians'... The stupidity and bigotry in this comment is what I continue to mock.
3) If I tell 10 people the SAME story, word for word and they relay it to another 10 people each.... out of the final 100, how many do you suppose will have the identical story as another of the 100? You seem to think that because MEN wrote the stories differently that somehow makes Islam wrong and the others right. Yet you continue to ignore the inconsistencies WITHIN the Bible. You continue to ignore the VAST differences between Christians and Jews.
1.2 BILLION Muslims say they believe in the God of Abraham, but Ditzie proclaims they do not, so therefore it must be true. You claim they are a counterfeit religion because they copied other religions to a degree. yet you again fail to comprehend, the Christians ALSO COPIED other religions. So did the JEWS. You fail to comprehend that YOU HAVE NO PROOF THAT CHRISTIANS AND JEWS are not the ones that are incorrect. You keep proclaiming that Muslims believe a LIE... but you fail to comprehend the FACT that ALL RELIGIONS ARE BASED ON FAITH..... NOT FACT. You have NO evidence to suggest that Islam is any more/less a 'lie' than any other religion.
You are such a dishonest hack. YOU brought scripture into it. I responded in kind. You fucking idiot.
ROFLMAO... AGAIN DITZIE... show me one post where I am bashing Christianity..... Please... just one.
You seriously are delusional. Where did I state ANY such nonsense as the above?
No ditzie, that is not what I did. I quoted your words and then ASKED you for further clarification. To see if you would stick to your words or clarify what you meant. At which point you ran away and hid behind your bullshit of 'I duz not wanna get into a theological debate'.
You are a coward. Period.
ROFLMAO... so again you make the claim that I attack Christians etc.... yet again you fail to provide just ONE example?
I do not love nor hate any religion Ditzie. I stood up against YOUR bigotry. Do note... I have pointed to the exact phrases you have used to show your bigotry.... you have yet to show ONE instance of me bashing a religion.
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It is not that you have different beliefs you idiot. It is just as I stated.... YOU TELLING MUSLIMS THAT THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE GOD OF ABRAHAM WHEN 1.2 BILLION OF THEM WILL TELL YOU THEY DO. That is where you are intolerant you fucking idiot. You are saying they MUST be wrong. They MUST not believe in the God of Abraham because YOU say so. THAT is where you are a bigot you fucking hack.
Again you fucking idiot.... go back and read the thread. I didn't ignore that. I addressed it. Do I need to post the exact post numbers on this issue as well? Do you really need me to make you look even more foolish than you already do?
As I stated earlier... the quote:
1) was written over 1000 years ago
2) It was written by Mohammed, not ALL Muslims. Thus your question asking if ALL Muslims were bigots because of one quote was answered with a resounding NO.
3) The quote you posted stated that Jews and Christians altered the "WORD of GOD".... Meaning they wrote the story of God down incorrectly. The quote does not state that Jews and Christians ALTERED GOD himself. Nor do the Muslims claim that Jews and Christians do not believe in the God of Abraham.
4) You are clearly a bigot and a fool.
This is the same stupid shit ditzie posts. Tell us Yurtle.... HOW do you know what it is that God told ANY of them? ALL of the accounts were written by MEN. MEN who were writing from a perspective of their own BELIEFS. Just because the STORIES are different, doesn't mean they aren't talking about the same God.
Your links, AS I STATED WHEN YOU POSTED THEM, WHICH CLEARLY YOU AGAIN IGNORED.... show differences in the STORIES men wrote about God. Funny how you keep claiming I ignored things, when all you have to do is go back and read the thread to see that I already addressed those 'points'.
Again, your BIGOTRY leads you to proclaim Muslims do not believe in the same God, because the stories/beliefs are different. Yet you turn right around and proclaim that Jews and Christians DO believe in the same God all the while ignoring the vast differences in those two religions. Just as ditzie does.