"Spanking For Jesus"?? OMG!

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Damocles said:
And you are as well. The reality is, if they are consenting there really is nothing you should be able to do about it, if it is not then it is a travesty and should be stopped. The assumption that there can be no consent because you don't like it is what I find grossly out of whack.

Almost none of us would choose to live this way, but that doesn't mean that nobody would or that we should make it illegal.
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Find where I said we should make it illegal and I'll give you a cookie.

You said it's "just another kink".

I disagree. I explained why. You went into skip mode...you must have a scratch.
 
Damocles said:
Then we are in agreement, and you are finding objection to agreement. If you don't think we should make it "stop" by any means, as your previous posts seem to suggest, then we pretty much agree on the subject. Whether or not you like spankings notwithstanding, some people like the 24/7 sub/Dom relationships, even if we think they are strange. That they add religion into the mix just makes it a different twist on an old kink.
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Wrong. Whether or not I like spankings is completely irrelevant to this discussion, only made relevant by your claim that this was exactly like that, and I "don't like it" The fact is, I have not offered an opinion one way or the other, or expressed a personal taste one way or the other. I like to keep my bedroom stuff in the bedroom.

But this story cannot be conflated with consensual spanking foreplay, and I strongly object to your bullshit claims otherwise.
 
Darla said:
Wrong. Whether or not I like spankings is completely irrelevant to this discussion, only made relevant by your claim that this was exactly like that, and I "don't like it" The fact is, I have not offered an opinion one way or the other, or expressed a personal taste one way or the other. I like to keep my bedroom stuff in the bedroom.

But this story cannot be conflated with consensual spanking foreplay, and I strongly object to your bullshit claims otherwise.
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You were the one who brought it to the discussion.

And 24/7 sub/Dom relationships exist even if you repeat that line often. Same kink, different display.
 
Damocles said:
You were the one who brought it to the discussion.

And 24/7 sub/Dom relationships exist even if you repeat that line often. Same kink, different display.
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No, you are the one who brought it in by claiming that I have a problem with this because it's a "kink" that I just don't like. How the hell would you know? You don't.

No, it's not the same kink. And no matter how many times you claim it is, won't magically make it so. It's not a kink when a Muslim woman wears a burqa and accepts that her husband has the right to beat her every day. Now that's "the same thing". See you have a big problem with the "which one of these is different than the others" portion of the test.
 
Darla said:
No, you are the one who brought it in by claiming that I have a problem with this because it's a "kink" that I just don't like. How the hell would you know? You don't.
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No, I said that you have never been as vociferous about the same kink without the "jesus" attached. Your objection appears to be to an old kink with a twist added that you find objectionable.

No, it's not the same kink. And no matter how many times you claim it is, won't magically make it so. It's not a kink when a Muslim woman wears a burqa and accepts that her husband has the right to beat her every day. Now that's "the same thing". See you have a big problem with the "which one of these is different than the others" portion of the test.
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To you it is only a kink if it is secular, which has been my point from the beginning. This is just another example of it. Whether you understand their choices or approve, they are their choices to make.
 
Damocles said:
No, I said that you have never been as vociferous about the same kink without the "jesus" attached. Your objection apperas to be to an old kink with a twist added that you find objectionable.



To you it is only a kink if it is secular, which has been my point from the beginning. This is just another example of it. Whether you understand their choices or approve, they are their choices to make.
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I've discovered that you don't understand what choice is.
 
Darla said:
I've discovered that you don't understand what choice is.
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I have discovered that you will, given the power, insert yourself into the choices of others if you believe that there is no way you would make the same choice.
 
Damocles said:
Should a woman and a man decide to do this not for "Jesus" but because they like the submissive/Dominant lifestyle it seems you would have no objection, but that they like it and use their religion to justify their alternative lifestyle you then object.

I fully understand that religion has been used to control people, women and children especially, but I also understand that people have a right to consent to an alternative lifestyle that even Darla finds disturbing.
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In this case - it doesn't seem like people are "choosing" it - they are being ordered to do it by their religion. HUGE difference
 
Darla said:
You are repeating the same nonsense over and over without addressing my posts at all.

Teaching women from birth that the man has "absolute power" over her, and needs to "enforce" that power through discipline "including but not limited to" "spankings" with wooden paddles, is not a "kink".

You guys here all get this when we are talking about the Muslims, but put a white christian face on it and all of a sudden it's 50 shades of grey.

I call it 50 shades of your typical horseshit.
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WELL SAID!!! exactly.

When someone is told from birth that they are to behave a certain way - in this case submissively, and to put up with beatings - that is NOT a choice.
 
Darla said:
Teaching women from birth that the man has "absolute power" over her, and needs to "enforce" that power through discipline "including but not limited to" "spankings" with wooden paddles, is not a "kink".
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Darla kicking Damo's butt.
 
Damocles said:
No, I said that you have never been as vociferous about the same kink without the "jesus" attached. Your objection appears to be to an old kink with a twist added that you find objectionable.



To you it is only a kink if it is secular, which has been my point from the beginning. This is just another example of it. Whether you understand their choices or approve, they are their choices to make.
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Dude, really, you don't get this? The man is using religion to force HIS kink on a woman who may hate it, but is submitting for religious reasons.

You are truly incorrect. I realise Darla is somewhat of an extreme feminist but that doesn't mean she is automatically incorrect.

You are way too smart for this. Admit you were wrong and let's move on.
 
Damocles said:
I have discovered that you will, given the power, insert yourself into the choices of others if you believe that there is no way you would make the same choice.
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She is NOT trying to insert herself into others choices. She is bemoaning the fact that some woman are, as usual, being denied choice, in this case under the guise of religion.

Can you prove that a single one of these women enjoy spanking?

Can you prove they would ever submit to spanking voluntarily?

This is why this is NOT a variation on a kink, regardless of the book you are researching.
 
patriot66 said:
Depends on the they, this sounds more like another cult than Christians, Christian husbands would have nothing tio do with this based on

Ephesians 5:24

New King James Version (NKJV)

24 Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.

Ephesians 5:25

New King James Version (NKJV)

25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her,

I would never be a husband that treated his wife in that way.
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wishful thinking
 
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