should we send foriegn countries money or use it here to help Americans?

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tekkychick said:
Better be prepared for them to say yes.

But as pointed out earlier - we'd be a lot worse off if we didn't give the miniscule % of our GDP that we do give in foreign aid. It gets us influence, gets us friends, gives us a say in what's going on.
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I'm talking about military aid as well, which drives the numbers up exponentially. If you want a U.S. military base, you have to be American. Want us to come free you? Better be willing to be American.
 
When asked why we should spend all of this money on foreign aid, all the libs can spout is pablum about "influence" and "impacting world affairs" and "people will love us"

Where is the objective proof?

Pakistan?
Benghazi?
Syria?
Iran?
Egypt?
The rag heads terrorizing Israel?

Where is the benefit?

Someone?
 
tekkychick said:
Better be prepared for them to say yes.

But as pointed out earlier - we'd be a lot worse off if we didn't give the miniscule % of our GDP that we do give in foreign aid. It gets us influence, gets us friends, gives us a say in what's going on.
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I'd agree on the "influence" if the influence wasn't our meddling American Exceptionalism we export, as war.

Syria has a ton of Libyan weapons on the battlefield..some from Gaddafis era, and I think but cannot prove that the CIA annex in Bengazi was weapons smuggling.

There was a Turkish ship seized with Libyan weapons (MANPADS), but that is all anecdotal.

Even though it looks like State was hampered by the CIA (Petraus) not wanting to say they messed up a covert ops.

(The so called "video did it" by Susan Rice [Bengazi 9-11-2012], and the multpile story lines) Again this is all Spooksville, so we don't really know.

If Obama would stop droning Waziristan, maybe we could get Paki to co-operate on a security arragement with us for Afganistan.

We are a mess, all we can do is roam the world , as "battlefield earth" engaiging in perpertual war.

Take that money that feed the military industrail complex, and use it here , and then foreign aid (not military "assistence") isn't an issue
 
Annata, I agree I'd rather give foreign aid that isn't military. We don't always have that choice.

Have we chosen war/weapons/military too often? have we funded the death providers - i.e. the weapons manufacturers? have we made things worse instead of better? Yeppers, we've been screwing things up for decades.

But getting out of the foreign aid business isn't the answer. Being smarter about it, and staying true to our supposed ideals is the answer.
 
tekkychick said:
Annata, I agree I'd rather give foreign aid that isn't military. We don't always have that choice.

Have we chosen war/weapons/military too often? have we funded the death providers - i.e. the weapons manufacturers? have we made things worse instead of better? Yeppers, we've been screwing things up for decades.

But getting out of the foreign aid business isn't the answer. Being smarter about it, and staying true to our supposed ideals is the answer.
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You mean the ideals of isolationism? Yes let's get back to that.
 
tekkychick said:
Annata, I agree I'd rather give foreign aid that isn't military. We don't always have that choice.

Have we chosen war/weapons/military too often? have we funded the death providers - i.e. the weapons manufacturers? have we made things worse instead of better? Yeppers, we've been screwing things up for decades.

But getting out of the foreign aid business isn't the answer. Being smarter about it, and staying true to our supposed ideals is the answer.
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without getting specific, i'm fine with foreign aid, i suppose there is some waste, but its miniscule to the waste in our budget.

I have no idea what our "national ideals" are anymore, i'm from the 60's, and the war in Vietnam showed me getting into these foreign civil wars
(Yemen, Syria [training/INTEL/light weapons], AfPak - a 12 year fiasco where the Taliban surely will rule again, and of course Iraq) don't work out all that well for the US, or these countrys.

Yemen is an oddball, AQAP is big there now, but I am wondering if it was their civil war, where we droned fighters from both sides (north and south), that allowed AQ to be so powerful there now.
Perhaps just the nature of that country, lagrely ungovernable

Anyways we are largely in agreement on foreign aid
 
evince said:
tell us what you think of this idea
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This Country sends money to Countries who do not like US, while we still have possibly millions of homeless people. I say keep the money here, there should never be hungry/homeless people in the USA, regardless of their situation. We need to help them "Tag Up" and start over, even if it means for the Feds to open up companies just to put these desperate people back to work, kind of like a kibbutz in Israel. The foreign aid issue is mainly centered around oil, so they sell US their oil. Start drilling here and every house should be subsidized by the energy companies to use/put solar panels on their roofs, in that way we will help reduce foreign oil requirements, and then we do not have to kiss any moore foreign booty. I say no mas dinero.
 
evince said:
why not run the republican party on a platform of NO foreign aid.

see how well that one goes for your party
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Because not all republicans are Libertarians and of those Libertarians, almost none of even that group are severe isolationists.
 
Damocles said:
Because not all republicans are Libertarians and of those Libertarians, almost none of even that group are severe isolationists.
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I would love to be an isolationist as a nation and as an individual ... but I know that it is not feasible.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
We don't but the flaw in your argument is that they are mutually exclusive issues. Foreign spending, not including aid to our military allies represents about 1% of our national budget. Would it be more rational to state, why should be we spending massive money on bloated programs like defense and medicare? Couldn't we streamline those to be more cost affective and use the savings to help people? You'd gain far more revenue that way than if you chopped all of foreign spending.
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It really wasnt an either or thought it was a where are your priorities thought.


if we do things wisely there is many things we can do in this country.

yes we can
 
evince said:
It really wasnt an either or thought it was a where are your priorities thought.


if we do things wisely there is many things we can do in this country.

yes we can
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But we can't. Ad we don't

1950s tax rates anyone? Or were you just spouting talking points?
 
I ma NOT requesting 90% top tax rates you dimwitted sloth.


I am telling you right wing fools that the US you want to take us back to was created under ideas that do not match your current historically failed ideas.

Your ideas caused both the great depression and this last economic mess.


Our ideas cleaned them both up.


how many times do your idiot ideas have to fail before you seek better ideas?
 
evince said:
I ma NOT requesting 90% top tax rates you dimwitted sloth.


I am telling you right wing fools that the US you want to take us back to was created under ideas that do not match your current historically failed ideas.

Your ideas caused both the great depression and this last economic mess.


Our ideas cleaned them both up.


how many times do your idiot ideas have to fail before you seek better ideas?
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Sweetie I am watching your ideas play out in Detroit. Everything that is wrong in this country can be laid at your feet from an ideology perspective. Deal with it

Yeah you loved those 1950s tax rates when Obama was lowering taxes. You were right there with everyone crowing about the 90% top marginal rate and how the country boomed, well I showed you what ALL of the rates were now like always you scurry into your little cave to hide

I accept your concession
 
I Love America said:
Sweetie I am watching your ideas play out in Detroit. Everything that is wrong in this country can be laid at your feet from an ideology perspective. Deal with it

Yeah you loved those 1950s tax rates when Obama was lowering taxes. You were right there with everyone crowing about the 90% top marginal rate and how the country boomed, well I showed you what ALL of the rates were now like always you scurry into your little cave to hide

I accept your concession
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dear idiot,


the car company CEOs did this to Detroit.


why do you pretend otherwise?
 
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