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You are incredibly stupid .. far too stupid to see the Libyan invasion has blown up in NATO's face and that ITS invasion has been discredited all over the world.
You are incredibly stupid.
Shocking book reveals Ghaddafi's sexual abuse of schoolgirls and boys
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You are incredibly stupid .. far too stupid to see the Libyan invasion has blown up in NATO's face and that ITS invasion has been discredited all over the world.
You are incredibly stupid.
Before NATO and the U.S. started bombing Libya, the United Nations was preparing to bestow an award on Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, and the Libyan Jamahiriya, for its achievements in the area of human rights. That’s right–the same man, Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, that NATO and the United States have been telling us for months is a “brutal dictator,” was set to be given an award for his human rights record in Libya. How strange it is that the United Nations was set to bestow a human rights award on a “brutal dictator,” at the end of March.
Report of the Working Group on the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya [Document A/HRC/WG.6/9/L.13]
So, I ask a question. Who is this “brutal dictator” that the United Nations General Assembly Human Rights Council was preparing to bestow an award to, for human rights, sometime at the end of March? So, they would have us believe that they knew that he was a “brutal dictator,” yet decided to give him an award for human rights?! Astounding! Astounding the lies that we’re being told by the media, NATO and the U.S. government. Absolutely astounding! Not surprising, but astounding! But more astounding still, is the fact that, time after time after time, much of the American public–without questioning–believes every single word that comes from the “news” media.
hard to find this stuff on western media, much of it is scrubbed(?) or simply un-reported
Report of the Working Group on the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya [Document A/HRC/WG.6/9/L.13]
So, I ask a question. Who is this “brutal dictator” that the United Nations General Assembly Human Rights Council was preparing to bestow an award to, for human rights, sometime at the end of March? So, they would have us believe that they knew that he was a “brutal dictator,” yet decided to give him an award for human rights?! Astounding! Astounding the lies that we’re being told by the media, NATO and the U.S. government. Absolutely astounding! Not surprising, but astounding! But more astounding still, is the fact that, time after time after time, much of the American public–without questioning–believes every single word that comes from the “news” media.
http://libyanfreepress.wordpress.co...addafi-was-to-receive-u-n-human-rights-award/
hard to find this stuff on western media, much of it is scrubbed(?) or simply un-reported
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EVERY fucking post you make further demonstrates your ungodly inhumanity and ignorance of truth.
Destroying a Country’s Standard of Living: What Libya Had Achieved, What has been Destroyed
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Against the backdrop of war propaganda, Libya’s economic and social achievements over the last thirty years, have been brutally reversed:
The [Libyan Arab Jamahiriya] has had a high standard of living and a robust per capita daily caloric intake of 3144. The country has made strides in public health and, since 1980, child mortality rates have dropped from 70 per thousand live births to 19 in 2009. Life expectancy has risen from 61 to 74 years of age during the same span of years. (FAO, Rome, Libya, Country Profile,)
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The NATO invasion and occupation marks the ruinous “rebirth” of Libya’s standard of living That is the forbidden and unspoken truth: an entire Nation has been destabilized and destroyed, its people driven into abysmal poverty.
The objective of the NATO bombings from the outset was to destroy the country’s standard of living, its health infrastructure, its schools and hospitals, its water distribution system.
And then “rebuild” with the help of donors and creditors under the helm of the IMF and the World Bank.
The diktats of the “free market” are a precondition for the instatement of a Western style “democratic dictatorship “.
About nine thousand strike sorties, tens of thousands of strikes on civilian targets including residential areas, government buildings, water supply and electricity generation facilities. (See NATO Communique, September 5, 2011. 8140 strike sorties from March 31 to September 5, 2011)
An entire nation has been bombed with the most advanced ordnance, including uranium coated ammunition.
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Meanwhile investors and donors have positioned themselves. “War is Good for Business’. NATO, the Pentagon and the Washington based international financial institutions (IFIs) operate in close coordination. What has been destroyed by NATO will be rebuilt, financed by Libya’s external creditors under the helm of the “Washington Consensus”:
“Specifically, the [World] Bank has been asked to examine the need for repair and restoration of services in the water, energy and transport sectors [bombed by NATO] and, in cooperation with the International Monetary Fund, to support budget preparation [austerity measures] and help the banking sector back on to its feet [The Libyan Central bank was one of the first government buildings to be bombed]. Employment generation for young Libyans has been added as an urgent need facing the country.” (World Bank to Help Libya Rebuild and Deliver Essential Services to Citizens emphasis added)
Whatever one’s views regarding Moamar Gadaffi, the post-colonial Libyan government played a key role in eliminating poverty and developing the country’s health and educational infrastructure. According to Italian Journalist Yvonne de Vito, “Differently from other countries that went through a revolution – Libya is considered to be the Switzerland of the African continent and is very rich and schools are free for the people. Hospitals are free for the people. And the conditions for women are much better than in other Arab countries.” (Russia Today, August 25, 2011)
These developments are in sharp contrast to what most Third World countries were able to “achieve” under Western style “democracy” and “governance” in the context of a standard IMF-World Bank Structural Adjustment program (SAP).
Public Health Care
Public Health Care in Libya prior to NATO’s “Humanitarian Intervention” was the best in Africa. “Health care is [was] available to all citizens free of charge by the public sector. The country boasts the highest literacy and educational enrolment rates in North Africa. The Government is [was] substantially increasing the development budget for health services…. (WHO Libya Country Brief )
Confirmed by the Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO), undernourishment was less than 5 %, with a daily per capita calorie intake of 3144 calories. (FAO caloric intake figures indicate availability rather than consumption).
The Libyan Arab Jamahiriya provided to its citizens what is denied to many Americans: Free public health care, free education, as confirmed by WHO and UNESCO data.
According to the World Health Organization (WHO): Life expectancy at birth was 72.3 years (2009), among the highest in the developing World.
Under 5 mortality rate per 1000 live births declined from 71 in 1991 to 14 in 2009
(http://www.who.int/countryfocus/cooperation_strategy/ccsbrief_lby_en.pdf)
Libyan Arab Jamahiriya General information
2009 Total population (000) 6 420
Annual population growth rate (%) 2.0
Population 0-14 years (%) 28
Rural population (%) 22
Total fertility rate (births per woman) 2.6
Infant mortality rate (0/00) 17
Life expectancy at birth (years) 75
GDP per capita (PPP) US$ 16 502
GDP growth rate (%) 2.1
Children of primary school-age who are out of school (%) (1978) 2
Source: UNESCO. Libya Country Profile
Education
The adult literacy rate was of the order of 89%, (2009), (94% for males and 83% for females). 99.9% of youth are literate (UNESCO 2009 figures, See UNESCO, Libya Country Report)
Gross primary school enrolment ratio was 97% for boys and 97% for girls (2009) .
(see UNESCO tables at
http://stats.uis.unesco.org/unesco/..._Language=eng&BR_Country=4340&BR_Region=40525
Women’s Rights
With regard to Women’s Rights, World Bank data point to significant achievements.
“In a relative short period of time, Libya achieved universal access for primary education, with 98% gross enrollment for secondary, and 46% for tertiary education. In the past decade, girls’ enrollment increased by 12% in all levels of education. In secondary and tertiary education, girls outnumbered boys by 10%.” (World Bank Libya Country Brief, emphasis added)
Confiscating Libyan Financial Assets
Libya`s frozen overseas financial assets are estimated to be of the order of $150 billion, with NATO countries holding more than $100 billion.
Prior to the war, Libya had no debts. In fact quite the opposite. It was a creditor nation investing in neighboring African countries.
The R2P military intervention is intended to spearhead the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya into the straightjacket of an indebted developing country, under the surveillance of the Washington based Bretton Woods institutions.
In a bitter irony, after having stolen Libya’s oil wealth and confiscated its overseas financial assets, the “donor community” has pledged to lend the (stolen) money back to finance Libya’s post-war “reconstruction”. Libya is slated to join the ranks of indebted African countries which have driven into poverty by IMF and the World Bank since the onsalught of the debt crisis in the early 1980s:
Well done, now you are resorting to posting an unattributed article from 2011 from Global Research. That "well known fair and balanced" website
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None of which you can refute .. which is par for the course for you.
You are indeed incredibly ignorant .. and you are a monster.
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Yeh, that's so secret that it has only been mentioned on here umpteen times already. Many of the countries on that committee were despostic themselves and the others were hoping to do business in the time honoured tradition of good old arse licking. This BBC article from 2011 is far nearer the truth.
http://www.africaw.com/gaddafi-a-madman-a-monster-or-a-king
http://www.africaw.com/gaddafi-a-madman-a-monster-or-a-king
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Here is a left leaning website that actually makes some sense, especially about the cynical left as represented by BAC et al.
While no one deserves to die in a war, of the estimated 30,000 Libyans to die in the struggle to overthrow Mummar Ghadafi, no one else can be said to have had it coming more than Mummar Ghadafi. Not only did he rule for more than 40 years by using terror (he had tens of thousands murdered), he conducted his 10-month campaign to stay in power with the utmost brutality. Most of those 30,000 souls were Libyan civilians killed by Ghadafi with artillery, tanks, snipers and cluster bombs. He targeted civilians to the end and so made the U.N. mission to protect them synonymous with ending his rule. So I find it odd that many on the left single out the killing of Mummar Ghadafi to demand investigation and justice for.
"If you're not ready to die for it, put the word 'freedom' out of your vocabulary." – Malcolm X
During the 10-month revolutionary struggle the goal of the vast majority of Libyans was to overthrow Ghadafi but the cynical left developed its own narrative for what they referred to as “regime change,” a regime change they opposed. They had no opinion on the struggle in Libya until NATO got involved, then “as they saw it” it was just another “War for Oil”, just another Iraq. As spectators to history, they declared “we’ve been through this movie before.” Usually that meant the rebels and the National Transitional Council (NTC) were seen as agents of imperialism, and the depth and breath of the Libyan opposition was denied. This was all done in the name of “opposing our own bourgeois” but its central foundation has been a cynical appreciation of the revolutionary movement of the Libyan people.
A year ago, this whole crowd was sure that NATO intervention would lead to a NATO occupation of Libya a la Iraq or Afghanistan. Clearly that hasn’t happened. Those that predicted such NATO “boots on the ground” – and that’s what they meant at the time – were wrong. That did not happen.
That is just one thing, on top of many, many things they got wrong about the Libyan revolution, but rather that admit they were wrong about that and maybe some other things and being so bold as to make a reappraisal of their views on Libya, they cling to those views.
They welcome any bad news from Libya and use it to support their view that the revolution in Libya is a bad thing and shouldn’t have happened. They find themselves quoting favorably from the mainstream media that has it’s own reasons for pouring cold water on post-Ghadafi Libya. They take every outbreak of violence and every injustice still happening in revolutionary Libya, blow it all out of proportion, and talk of “chaos” in Libya.
The post war violence in Libya is nothing like it was in Iraq, and for that matter still is eight years later. The electricity is still on in Libya. Schools are back in session, mail is being delivered, oil production is back up, Internet is back up, and people are getting back to work. But these anti-interventionists-turned-counter-revolutionaries only look for signs of “chaos.”
Over 2.7 million people have registered all over Libya for national elections on June 19th or early July [there is talk of a short delay as I write this]. Misrata and Benghazi already had local elections. Libyans all over the world are registering at their still functioning embassies and all these people can talk about is “no functioning government” in Libya.
They still promote the view that the Libyan Revolution is a fake one ginned up by western imperialism and the NTC NATO puppets. I have some questions for these folks. If the Libyan revolution was orchestrated by U.S. imperialism and the NTC, a NATO “puppet regime”:
1.) Why are there no NATO bases in Libya?
2.) Why are there no NATO troops in Libya?
3.) Why did they refuse to turn over the so-called Lockerbie Bomber as demanded by the West?
4.) Why did they stop and expose the CIA’s special rendition program in Libya?
5.) Why is the revolutionary commander of Tripoli Head of the Military Council of Tripoli, Abdel Hakim Belhaj suing former British foreign minister Jack Straw?
Read more: http://www.thenorthstar.info/?p=851
While no one deserves to die in a war, of the estimated 30,000 Libyans to die in the struggle to overthrow Mummar Ghadafi, no one else can be said to have had it coming more than Mummar Ghadafi. Not only did he rule for more than 40 years by using terror (he had tens of thousands murdered), he conducted his 10-month campaign to stay in power with the utmost brutality. Most of those 30,000 souls were Libyan civilians killed by Ghadafi with artillery, tanks, snipers and cluster bombs. He targeted civilians to the end and so made the U.N. mission to protect them synonymous with ending his rule. So I find it odd that many on the left single out the killing of Mummar Ghadafi to demand investigation and justice for.
"If you're not ready to die for it, put the word 'freedom' out of your vocabulary." – Malcolm X
During the 10-month revolutionary struggle the goal of the vast majority of Libyans was to overthrow Ghadafi but the cynical left developed its own narrative for what they referred to as “regime change,” a regime change they opposed. They had no opinion on the struggle in Libya until NATO got involved, then “as they saw it” it was just another “War for Oil”, just another Iraq. As spectators to history, they declared “we’ve been through this movie before.” Usually that meant the rebels and the National Transitional Council (NTC) were seen as agents of imperialism, and the depth and breath of the Libyan opposition was denied. This was all done in the name of “opposing our own bourgeois” but its central foundation has been a cynical appreciation of the revolutionary movement of the Libyan people.
A year ago, this whole crowd was sure that NATO intervention would lead to a NATO occupation of Libya a la Iraq or Afghanistan. Clearly that hasn’t happened. Those that predicted such NATO “boots on the ground” – and that’s what they meant at the time – were wrong. That did not happen.
That is just one thing, on top of many, many things they got wrong about the Libyan revolution, but rather that admit they were wrong about that and maybe some other things and being so bold as to make a reappraisal of their views on Libya, they cling to those views.
They welcome any bad news from Libya and use it to support their view that the revolution in Libya is a bad thing and shouldn’t have happened. They find themselves quoting favorably from the mainstream media that has it’s own reasons for pouring cold water on post-Ghadafi Libya. They take every outbreak of violence and every injustice still happening in revolutionary Libya, blow it all out of proportion, and talk of “chaos” in Libya.
The post war violence in Libya is nothing like it was in Iraq, and for that matter still is eight years later. The electricity is still on in Libya. Schools are back in session, mail is being delivered, oil production is back up, Internet is back up, and people are getting back to work. But these anti-interventionists-turned-counter-revolutionaries only look for signs of “chaos.”
Over 2.7 million people have registered all over Libya for national elections on June 19th or early July [there is talk of a short delay as I write this]. Misrata and Benghazi already had local elections. Libyans all over the world are registering at their still functioning embassies and all these people can talk about is “no functioning government” in Libya.
They still promote the view that the Libyan Revolution is a fake one ginned up by western imperialism and the NTC NATO puppets. I have some questions for these folks. If the Libyan revolution was orchestrated by U.S. imperialism and the NTC, a NATO “puppet regime”:
1.) Why are there no NATO bases in Libya?
2.) Why are there no NATO troops in Libya?
3.) Why did they refuse to turn over the so-called Lockerbie Bomber as demanded by the West?
4.) Why did they stop and expose the CIA’s special rendition program in Libya?
5.) Why is the revolutionary commander of Tripoli Head of the Military Council of Tripoli, Abdel Hakim Belhaj suing former British foreign minister Jack Straw?
Read more: http://www.thenorthstar.info/?p=851
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I call bullshit -any citation?
Chaos, Islamist threat plague Libya's lawless desert south
http://news.yahoo.com/chaos-islamist-threat-plague-libyas-lawless-desert-south-133709552.html (June)
LIBYA SPINNING OUT OF CONTROL
In the country that is Europe’s largest supplier of oil, extrajudicial assassinations abound, foreign embassies are bombed and senior government figures quit in frustration.
The 2011 revolution stirred Old Libya from its slumbers. Before Moammar Gadhafi and before King Idris the three provinces that now form Libya (an Italian construct, the name was adopted only in 1934) were mainly linked by the movement of Bedouin.
More autonomy is now being sought, particularly by Cyrenaica, the most easterly province and the home to most of the country’s oil industry.
Gadhafi held Libya together by force of will and willing use of force. In his absence it is falling apart.
Foreign Policy says conditions for ordinary Libyans haven’t improved since the revolution—crumbling schools, filthy hospitals, endemic corruption and pollution of the coastline breed public discontent toward the government.
And Libya’s oil industry, once a tightly run stalwart of supply to Europe, is in danger of joining the ranks of those in countries where industries are marred by unrest, theft or corruption, as The Wall Street Journal’s Benoit Faucon explains.
http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2013/08/23/libya-on-the-brink-of-chaos/
appreciate the links -r ead them, they all show the old Gaddafi this one http://www.africaw.com/gaddafi-a-madman-a-monster-or-a-king stops the history around 1986.
There is no doubt Gaddafi WAS a dictaor -uneven rule, favoritism, some barbarity - agree on this.
Whaere we seem to be talking past each other is after Gaadfis renuniciation of terror. He did allow the CIA to roam, in the east (and across the country).
Considering the cabal in east Africa, i'm not so sure that was a bad thing?
Anyways, one has to look at Gaddifi's rule at the time of the NATO "kinetic actions" (Obama adm words), and the bombing by Nato of Mistrata,( how does one humanely bomb a city?) the continued destabilization of Libya.
The interference in their internal affairs - the "no fly" was OK -something I wouldn't have done, but taking the no-fly to the degree of picking sides in that civil war
was a bad mistake. It smacks of colonialism, if not exact parallel.
The US led the sorties/did command and control, used the most Tomahawks, and targeted Gaddafis convoy at the end.In effect we assassinated Gaddafi
I get the idea you are British, if you are OK with this -fine, I'm not as an American, i'm tired of our gross designs to manipulate the world
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Yes and I can see that you and BAC are wetting themselves with anticipation for any future unrest.
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What are you then, I am not sure where life is? Yes I'm British as the location in the top right hand corner clearly states England.
I believe he lives surreptitiously through stories like this.
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I thought you were only going to post in APP??
Ok. missed it - eyesight is not all that good.
I am in Florida, USA / around your age though prolly not quite old enough to have made it to the Isle of Wight festival as you did,, if i recall. (1970)
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So are you a Brit?
no. American citizen, i just mentioned the Isle of Wight, as I am a big fan of that festival, and all rock groups.
Or maybe I am thinking the Who's Live at Leeds?
anyaways. USA.
No. I'm only going to start threads in APP.
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Oh dear you got me all excited then.
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Yes the 1970 Isle of Wight still holds the record for the most number of people attending, it was a nightmare to get there but more than worth it.
read OP title as "ghandi" and was floored.
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