Science

T. A. Gardner said:
Not really. Most "peer" review is cursory and poorly done. Science, like any field, often takes liberties and shortcuts in what it does.

In fact, since computer programs that check for plagiarism, fraud, and other issues in submitted scientific papers have come available, the number of papers retracted has skyrocketed by over ten times what it previously was.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/201...eals-about-science-publishing-s-death-penalty

So, if you think that because a paper was peer reviewed and published it's the equivalent of gospel from god, it isn't. It could be nothing but useless crap printed in some useless journal.
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Not only are you a science ignoramus, you are functionally illiterate, as well. Bad combo, Jethro.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
This is your invitation to learning.
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My operating theory is "Idiocracy"; all of those wonders of modern medicine and Nanny State laws like seatbelts, helmet laws and such have saved stupid people from removing themselves from the gene pool for 60 years now; three generations of idiots replicating themselves like rabbits causing the collective IQ of the United States to drop down to "functional idiot" levels.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Not really. Most "peer" review is cursory and poorly done. Science, like any field, often takes liberties and shortcuts in what it does.

In fact, since computer programs that check for plagiarism, fraud, and other issues in submitted scientific papers have come available, the number of papers retracted has skyrocketed by over ten times what it previously was.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/201...eals-about-science-publishing-s-death-penalty

So, if you think that because a paper was peer reviewed and published it's the equivalent of gospel from god, it isn't. It could be nothing but useless crap printed in some useless journal.
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"Cursory and poorly Done" leaves the impression that the problem is lack of competence or lack of effort which is not correct.....it is corruption that hobbles Peer Review....it has become an active program to kill new and often better ideas, and to ruin the careers of those who insist upon bringing unwanted ideas, for the crime of lack of conformity to the orthodoxy.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
My operating theory is "Idiocracy"; all of those wonders of modern medicine and Nanny State laws like seatbelts, helmet laws and such have saved stupid people from removing themselves from the gene pool for 60 years now; three generations of idiots replicating themselves like rabbits causing the collective IQ of the United States to drop down to "functional idiot" levels.
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Eric Weinstein is more correct....check out my sig....this is from his recent DarkHorse with his brother Bret.

These are two of the smartest and most with it people around.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
People are wrong, science is never wrong (or right). It's just facts and data. People can be wrong or bought. It's why there were ads like that pictured below. The science is never wrong, just wrong people.
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Actually science can be wrong. Remember "cold fusion?" How about people who just made their "research" up? It isn't just facts and data. It is a profession and field like any other. There are charlatans, frauds, idiots, and the useless in science just as there is in business, engineering, or any other field. At least in the legal profession you know you are dealing with that sort right from the start... The only honestly dishonest profession there is more or less...

On climate change, when you have posers like James Hansen and Michael Mann who put politics ahead of science, you get bad science. They make it harder to believe anyone else on the subject.

You might not remember this Berkeley researcher who was found to be fraud on linking power lines to cancer...

https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/library/national/science/072499sci-fake-data.html

But, that doesn't stop some from still trotting this fraud out for profit.

https://www.blushield-us.com/power-lines-cause-cancer/?v=7516fd43adaa
 
Hawkeye10 said:
"Cursory and poorly Done" leaves the impression that the problem is lack of competence or lack of effort which is not correct.....it is corruption that hobbles Peer Review....it has become an active program to kill new and often better ideas, and to ruin the careers of those who insist upon bringing unwanted ideas, for the crime of lack of conformity to the orthodoxy.
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It is cursory and poorly done much of the time because the person(s) doing it are too busy with other things to do a thorough job of it. Corrupt practices like people in a field "reviewing" each other's papers but in reality just rubber stamping them is another.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
It is cursory and poorly done much of the time because the person(s) doing it are too busy with other things to do a thorough job of it. Corrupt practices like people in a field "reviewing" each other's papers but in reality just rubber stamping them is another.
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They rubber stamp other members of the club...the ones who think "right" and dont rock the gravy train.....those who dont get crucified.
 
AProudLefty said:
And yet we have rovers on Mars. :thinking:
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There's a good book that explains this.

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T. A. Gardner said:
Yep, and it makes for crappy science.
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It makes for broken science, which nobody with their eyes open would trust.

Eric in the podcast talks about how so many of the so called best and the brightest in science bore him to tears...they are either saying nothing, or they are saying nothing new....just like the failed university faculty they are spinning their wheels looking out for their careers mostly.....which would be endangered if they actually plowed new ground and attempted to do science.

He does not say all of this here but this is what he is saying...I have listened to him and his brother and like thinkers like Paglia and Peterson enough to know their argument on why science has failed so spectacularly inside and out.
 
AProudLefty said:
Why would we be afraid of that? Let kids question science all they want. That's what learning is all about.
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Agreed. In fact, science should be pushed a lot harder in schools than it is now. Our nation is falling behind the rest of the world because to many anti-science idiots are pushing other topics.
 
Darth Omar said:
Ironically, apart from the computer tech much of the science is ‘dated’.

They still use Newton’s physics to aim space craft at planets. They don’t make scientists like they used to.
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Correction, sir. They don't make people like they used to.

In WWII, people would have laughed if we told them that wearing masks was any kind of sacrifice, or great infringement on liberty.

People also don't like making ANY changes to their lifestyle - so the idea that we need to change anything to save our planet or not completely use up its resources just ruins them. No way. We want it all, we want it now.

That's what has changed. Not the reliability of science. We just don't want to hear it anymore.
 
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