Say Goodbye to Clean Drinking Water

tsuke said:
lol. We do often reach the same place though I think you think more in terms of culture while I think more in terms of economy. Grind jr sucks. Te full name I use is Isawa Tsuke so I can let you use the family name as well. Please change your name to Isawa Grind. Thx.
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Both terms have different meanings. "Pleb" is short for plebeian, which means, a commoner. Proletariat means working class or laborer. One is a purely social distinction as one can have enormous economic or political status and still be a plebeian (commoner) where as proletariat is a socio-economic distinction that combines both economic and social status.

So it is possible to be a pleb but not a prole but not vice versa.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
I thought that would go by you. Ground water conditions west of the Mississippi tend to be alkaline where as east of the Mississippi they tend to be acidic.
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my special water also lets me feel smug and superior and act as a placebo letting me think i am doing something for my body when I dont feel like working out. Does your tap/sewage water do that?
 
Teflon Don said:
If we are 10 years from a tipping point your 25 year plan is kind of pointless.

PS

It isn't Big Oil that is stopping us from using alternatives. It is thermodynamics

But you and Gomer have really skeered me. I am afraid to leave my house and drink my water because of you two
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Maintain your dumb-shittedness. Because your water comes directly from a spring means little.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
That's the big lie actually. EPA isn't destroying coal mining. Fracking for natural gas is. Natural gas production, though it has it's problems too, generates orders of magnitudes less pollution and destruction to ecological habitats as coal mining does. It's also cost less to produce a BTU of energy from natural gas than coal. Coal is dying because it's an obsolete technology. So if we're going to debate the topic lets do so honestly with facts.
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China and India are now producing almost all the coal they need for domestic use.I realize it's a flat to shrinking market -still i want market forces to shut down coal for export
 
anatta said:
China and India are now producing almost all the coal they need for domestic use.I realize it's a flat to shrinking market -still i want market forces to shut down coal for export
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Flat to shrinking? Domestic coal consumption is half of what it was in just 2008. Market forces are doing exactly that and not regulation. If you want to know why environmental regulations are strict on coal mining you need to see the actual consequences of coal production and go visit a mountain top strip mine to get your head around the utter devastation of coal mining.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Flat to shrinking? Domestic coal consumption is half of what it was in just 2008. Market forces are doing exactly that and not regulation. If you want to know why environmental regulations are strict on coal mining you need to see the actual consequences of coal production and go visit a mountain top strip mine to get your head around the utter devastation of coal mining.
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Ive been there Mott. I'm from Maryland and I used to go there to visit friends and party with crazy mountain men.
I am also referencing international markets which are flat
 
anatta said:
Ive been there Mott. I'm from Maryland and I used to go there to visit friends and party with crazy mountain men.
I am also referencing international markets which are flat
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Well what does our regulatory requirements have to do with international coal markets?
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Well what does our regulatory requirements have to do with international coal markets?
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most of that domestic downturn was made up for with international sales.
But more recently China and India - the worlds most prolific users- have been getting their own domestic supply.

No question it's an eventual dying industry - and the denuding of WV mountaintop poses long term problems-
Nat. gas is the way too as you mentioned - but the fraking involved also drew domestic lib/ecology opposition
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Flat to shrinking? Domestic coal consumption is half of what it was in just 2008. Market forces are doing exactly that and not regulation. If you want to know why environmental regulations are strict on coal mining you need to see the actual consequences of coal production and go visit a mountain top strip mine to get your head around the utter devastation of coal mining.
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Indeed let's go visit a mountain top removal mine that has been reclaimed: One of the largest mining corporations in the US...ARCH COAL...or visit the reclaimed sites of the midwestern energy giant Peabody Coal. What was once useless mountain top so steep that a billy goat could not traverse the land...making it worthless for any type of productive use.....is turned into level, usable land....to build much needed airports, up scale housing developments, golf course, wildlife wetlands, ponds and lakes that benefit the communities. Mine reclamation has become a science...making the property profitable in producing energy and land development.

In states like WV...the old mountain top an auger mines have been reclaimed and changed into productive and valuable real estate. But...I suppose that none of the existing laws are good enough....perhaps you have never heard of the existing acts of legislation that mandates the reclamation of exhausted mining properties? Like SMCRA of 1977, the Surface Mining Control and Reclamation Act?

Go ahead an produce a few pictures of a 1950s mining project...and pretend the same practice is ongoing today. The Sky is falling, the Sky is Falling......

http://www.archcoal.com/environment/reclamation.aspx.

Right across the border in KY....visit the reclaimed property in Prestonsburg: A mountain top up scale housing development and golf course
http://stonecrestgolfcourse.com/photo-gallery/
 
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Ralph said:
Indeed let's go visit a mountain top removal mine that has been reclaimed: One of the largest mining corporations in the US.

http://www.archcoal.com/environment/reclamation.aspx.
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I was wondering about that - does some mountain top removal actually benefit WV. ??

If you ever flew over that state -you can see the sheer amount of mountains might benefit
from some increase in flat lands. But i wasn't going to go there,and I'm not about to trust any one source.
Especially a coal industry source

in the eastern U. S., native species including rabbits, turkey, deer, fox, owls, hawks and Black bears benefit from the open fields and diverse terrain that exists after mining. In addition, waterfowl and aquatic species populate and make use of the lakes, ponds and wetlands that are created. Arch Coal plants hundreds of thousands of trees on its reclaimed lands.
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anatta said:
most of that domestic downturn was made up for with international sales.
But more recently China and India - the worlds most prolific users- have been getting their own domestic supply.

No question it's an eventual dying industry - and the denuding of WV mountaintop poses long term problems-
Nat. gas is the way too as you mentioned - but the fraking involved also drew domestic lib/ecology opposition
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it did and does and those concerns in regards to public safety where fracking is concerned need to be addressed but it's not like they are insolvable problems or onerously costly solutions. You cannot say the same with coal. The ecological destruction and environmental pollution with coal are extreme and unavoidable.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
it did and does and those concerns in regards to public safety where fracking is concerned need to be addressed but it's not like they are insolvable problems or onerously costly solutions. You cannot say the same with coal. The ecological destruction and environmental pollution with coal are extreme and unavoidable.
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i do not know how easily they are mitigated. I take your word on it.

Back somewhere in this thread though was the concept the EPA being used to shut down an industry is the problem.
That is simply pure regulatory over-reach.

There is absolutely no ability to know that is Congressional intent ( to shut down coal) - and the agencies simply cannot be used as a blunt instrument to make policy decisions
 
Cheap energy helps the poor. This is why the leftwing hates coal.

Most millenials refuse to drink any water straight from the tap in any State. They've been brainwashed into buying bottled water by leftwing corporate cronies, just like they've been brainwashed into buying Prius's by leftwing corp cronies.
 
anatta said:
I was wondering about that - does some mountain top removal actually benefit WV. ??

If you ever flew over that state -you can see the sheer amount of mountains might benefit
from some increase in flat lands. But i wasn't going to go there,and I'm not about to trust any one source.
Especially a coal industry source
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Of course not....you can't possibly believe the photographic evidence. But...its true, I live and make a living in the south east of the Untied States, I travel these areas regularly, I am an avid golfer and have walked the land presented in the photos, the fairways are lined with houses that sell for 250K each....and none are empty....

not to mention some of the most beautiful land in the world is located along the New River Basin...one of the oldest natural rivers on earth, its more than scenic. If you think for a second that the peoples of that state would allow the destruction of such beauty you are living in la la land. As the evidence presented previously proves...that part of the nation has some of the cleanest and tastiest water purifying systems on the planet as well as some of the cleanest air.....http://www.hawksnestsp.com/
 
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domer76 said:
It doesn't mean 60% are good.

"The state has failed to collect sufficient data to determine the health of 36 percent of the streams in the state."

40% is really a shitty number. And the WV Legislature was doing all it could to prevent further evaluation.
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Well let's face it, clean water is the least of their problems!





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Ralph said:
Of course not....you can't possibly believe the photographic evidence. But...its true, I live and make a living in the south east of the Untied States, I travel these areas regularly, I am an avid golfer and have walked the land presented in the photos, the fairways are lined with houses that sell for 250K each....and none are empty....

not to mention some of the most beautiful land in the world is located along the New River Basin...one of the oldest natural rivers on earth, its more than scenic. If you think for a second that the peoples of that state would allow the destruction of such beauty you are living in la la land. As the evidence presented previously proves...that part of the nation has some of the cleanest and tastiest water purifying systems on the planet as well as some of the cleanest air.....http://www.hawksnestsp.com/
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I have flown low level craft over parts of WV - the mountains are ubiquitous in places - and an increase in flat lands might very well be beneficial -more then just golf courses..Thanks for the links
 
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you say plebs? I usually say proles. Damn we reached the exact same conclusion. I hadn't even seen this post before my last one. You're the best tsuke. You think just like me. You are like a Grind jr.
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I recommend 5M sodium hydroxide that will clean out you gizzards in double quick time.

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