Russia ready for talks. Ukraine must undergo ' denazification '

I'm not sure that Ukraine will take kindly to being denazified.

However, Putin has addressed the Ukrainian military directly and asked them to be the negotiators, bypassing ' the Nazis in Kiev ' entirely. They were installed themselves by way of a coup anyway.

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Another for the chickenshit banner of any opposition,

 
Unwanted invaders of other people's countries can come from a wide variety of political systems. They can be fascists, of course, but also theocrats, monarchists, communists, and so on.

I'm sure that's the case on our southern border......
 
inequality still rose.

Think of it in terms of this analogy: you eat too much, and so you've been gaining weight pretty much non-stop since you hit middle age. In the 80's, you ate too much and didn't exercise and put on 30 pounds. In the 90's you started exercising, but still ate too much and put on ten pounds. So, you conclude that exercising causes weight gain.

In a context like that, the silliness of the "reasoning" is clear. The exercising, if anything, seems to have slowed the weight gain. Similarly, the trade liberalization of the 90s coincided with a huge slowdown in the growth of income inequality, relative to the prior era.

the massive gains are mostly for the 1%.

Yes, but at least some meaningful part of the gains are going to others. Remember, in the Reagan/Bush years (which ended before NAFTA and the WTO were ratified), poverty ROSE, and real median incomes barely budged. Very nearly all of the gains were going to the 1%, back then. Then, in the Clinton years, poverty rates plummeted and real median incomes soared. The rich were getting richer, but at least others were, too.

despite your hard sell, most understand globalization only helps the rich.

Most educated people believe it's broadly beneficial. However, petty local lords don't like it, since it can undercut the kinds of people who were handed a million-dollar local business by their fathers, and who expected to be able to just go through the motions and remain rich indefinitely. Such people tend to be unaccustomed to challenges, since family money eased their path throughout their younger years. That left them ill-equipped to adapt to change. So, when global trade disrupts the status quo, that's a problem for them. People who developed more character growing up, by succeeding without family money, tend to see such disruptions as opportunities -- chances to find more efficient ways of doing things, which let them out-compete entrenched interests. But if you're one of those "entrenched interests," and you hate the idea of anything that forces you to think on your feet, changes like that will be terrifying. Thus, it's those small-town feudal lords who are consistently the epicenter of anti-free-trade sentiment. They want to throw walls up around their little kingdom so they can just keep going through the motions with daddy's money and stay rich. Disruption terrifies them.
 
Think of it in terms of this analogy: you eat too much, and so you've been gaining weight pretty much non-stop since you hit middle age. In the 80's, you ate too much and didn't exercise and put on 30 pounds. In the 90's you started exercising, but still ate too much and put on ten pounds. So, you conclude that exercising causes weight gain.

In a context like that, the silliness of the "reasoning" is clear. The exercising, if anything, seems to have slowed the weight gain. Similarly, the trade liberalization of the 90s coincided with a huge slowdown in the growth of income inequality, relative to the prior era.



Yes, but at least some meaningful part of the gains are going to others. Remember, in the Reagan/Bush years (which ended before NAFTA and the WTO were ratified), poverty ROSE, and real median incomes barely budged. Very nearly all of the gains were going to the 1%, back then. Then, in the Clinton years, poverty rates plummeted and real median incomes soared. The rich were getting richer, but at least others were, too.



Most educated people believe it's broadly beneficial. However, petty local lords don't like it, since it can undercut the kinds of people who were handed a million-dollar local business by their fathers, and who expected to be able to just go through the motions and remain rich indefinitely. Such people tend to be unaccustomed to challenges, since family money eased their path throughout their younger years. That left them ill-equipped to adapt to change. So, when global trade disrupts the status quo, that's a problem for them. People who developed more character growing up, by succeeding without family money, tend to see such disruptions as opportunities -- chances to find more efficient ways of doing things, which let them out-compete entrenched interests. But if you're one of those "entrenched interests," and you hate the idea of anything that forces you to think on your feet, changes like that will be terrifying. Thus, it's those small-town feudal lords who are consistently the epicenter of anti-free-trade sentiment. They want to throw walls up around their little kingdom so they can just keep going through the motions with daddy's money and stay rich. Disruption terrifies them.

Nah.

It's all idiotic bullshit.

your hard sell is still ineffective.

You're an elitist traitor to humanity.

you're not even really helping chinese by monetizing their slavery.
 
No- those that consult ALL narratives are ' aligned with the truth ' - and you've already turned a blind eye to anything that isn't sugared-Zelenskyism, diumbass.

I haven't said a word of Zelenskyism, and that's why you're melting down: I keep talking about real-world facts, while you keep regurgitating pre-digested Putinism.
 
I'm sure that's the case on our southern border......

In the case of people coming here to work, whether a Mexican walking across the border to take a job picking fruit, or, say, a gold digger jetting in from Slovenia to be someone's third wife, that's a question of economic migration, rather than a nation-state's attempt to seize another country's land for themselves, which is what we're talking about here.
 
Nah.

It's all [too difficult for me to understand.]

I know. But don't give up. Think through the analogy and then ask yourself, honestly, whether in non-politicized situations you would conclude that a given change caused a particular problem, in a situation where the problem predates the change and actually decelerated by 2/3 after the change.
 
I know. But don't give up. Think through the analogy and then ask yourself, honestly, whether in non-politicized situations you would conclude that a given change caused a particular problem, in a situation where the problem predates the change and actually decelerated by 2/3 after the change.

sending jobs overseas has definitely hurt the middle class.

you can obscure economic problems with loose fiscal policy, keynesian bubblecrafting, but only for a while.

globalization only benefits internationalist fascists like the davos crowd.
 
sending jobs overseas has definitely hurt the middle class.

And bringing more jobs here by opening up foreign markets has definitely helped the middle class. Both those things have happened at the same time, so the question is which mattered more. As a reminder, before NAFTA and the WTO, unemployment rates were higher, real median incomes were lower, and poverty rates were higher. So, what does that say?
 
I haven't said a word of Zelenskyism, and that's why you're melting down: I keep talking about real-world facts, while you keep regurgitating pre-digested Putinism.

You want to deny your sugared Zelenskyism ? Go ahead- I've already got you marked as deluded.
 
How long do you think until Russia formally admits defeat?

Why ? Are you off to fight with the Zelenskyies ?


Haw, haw....................................haw.

Get real.


Russia-Ukraine live news: Moscow controls 20 percent of Ukraine

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy says Russian army has taken over swaths of land as Kyiv calls for more weapons.

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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022...-chief-as-russia-advances-in-ukraine-liveblog
 
You want to deny your sugared Zelenskyism ? Go ahead- I've already got you marked as deluded.

As you know, I have never uttered a word of Zelenskyism. My comments have been focused on the criminality of Russian aggression, which is simply a fact under international law, and has nothing at all to do with who is leading Ukraine.
 
As you know, I have never uttered a word of Zelenskyism. My comments have been focused on the criminality of Russian aggression, which is simply a fact under international law, and has nothing at all to do with who is leading Ukraine.

It will be argued that the Zelenskyies should have accepted the independence of the Donbas, not bombed it- and that the Russians are conducting a protective action. The aggression began with a US coup- just one of those facts that you don't accept.
 
It will be argued that the Zelenskyies should have accepted the independence of the Donbas, not bombed it- and that the Russians are conducting a protective action. The aggression began with a US coup- just one of those facts that you don't accept.

I suppose earlier generations of Nazis would similarly have argued that the Poles should have just given up Gdansk and the other parts of Poland demanded by Hitler, and that the German military was just conducting a "protective action" with its Blitzkrieg. They might even argue the aggression began with western nations backing anti-Nazi forces within Germany. Fascists always have their excuses when they decide to launch their wars of territorial expansion.... and they always have their willing propagandists, pushing those talking points. Right, Axis Sally?
 
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