Russia ready for talks. Ukraine must undergo ' denazification '

[moon]

Speaking of Jew haters, aren't you the apologist for a fascist Russian regime that is currently seeking Lebensraum by way of a military conquest of a nation led by a Jew?

The Jew you refer to supports the occupation of other people's countries while asking you to pay to protect his. That's my main bone of contention with him- nothing to do with his religion. He's just another greedy neo-Zionist. You probably are too . judging by the shit you've posted here.
Then there's the fact that he's allowed his own country to be trashed along with thousands of people wasted for.......what ? ' Self -determination ' for anti-Russian Ukrainians ?



Haw, haw.....................................haw.

 

[Mina]

The Jew you refer to supports the occupation of other people's countries while asking you to pay to protect his. That's my main bone of contention with him- nothing to do with his religion. He's just another greedy neo-Zionist.

I'm no kind of Zionist, neo or otherwise. I reject religion and ethnicity as organizing principles for any state, Israel included. But I do recognize national sovereignty, and I oppose fascist military expansionists like Putin, which is where you and I differ. You run interference for an inept kleptocratic dictator's quest for Lebensraum. I don't.

 

[moon]

I'm no kind of Zionist, neo or otherwise. I reject religion and ethnicity as organizing principles for any state, Israel included. But I do recognize national sovereignty, and I oppose fascist military expansionists like Putin, which is where you and I differ. You run interference for an inept kleptocratic dictator's quest for Lebensraum. I don't.

Because I do not support Zelensky does not mean that I support Putin. It's simple-minded to think otherwise.

 

[Mina]

Because I do not support Zelensky does not mean that I support Putin. It's simple-minded to think otherwise.

Objectively, you're supporting Putin. You are regurgitating his talking points verbatim, just like thousands of others in his troll army.

 

[moon]

Objectively, you're supporting Putin. You are regurgitating his talking points verbatim, just like thousands of others in his troll army.

No- I'm simply posting news from beyond the loaded Western press. If you valued free speech and objected to censorship then so would you.
But you don't.
Most members here just ' regurgitate ' Western- sugared Zelenskyism . Why don't you criticize them ?

 

[Lionfish]

I'm not sure that Ukraine will take kindly to being denazified.

However, Putin has addressed the Ukrainian military directly and asked them to be the negotiators, bypassing ' the Nazis in Kiev ' entirely. They were installed themselves by way of a coup anyway.

 

[moon]

Oh dear- the Jew-hating graphics ghoul has showed up.
He'll enlighten me with a technicolor pilfered opinion.

Haw, haw.............................haw.

 

[Mina]

No- I'm simply posting news from beyond the loaded Western press.

No. You're simply echoing exactly the same talking points we all get flooded with by Putin's dime-a-dozen social media megaphone accounts. We've heard your disinformation a million times already. It's not at all interesting.

Most members here just ' regurgitate ' Western- sugared Zelenskyism . Why don't you criticize them ?

If Zelensky were to mount an unprovoked fascist invasion of a neighboring nation, in pursuit of empire, and members here regurgitated apologetics for that, I'd criticize them. However, that's just not the case. Zelensky is defending his country from a Nazi attempting to conquer it.

 

[moon]

If Zelensky were to mount an unprovoked fascist invasion of a neighboring nation, in pursuit of empire, and members here regurgitated apologetics for that, I'd criticize them. However, that's just not the case. Zelensky is defending his country from a Nazi attempting to conquer it.

You see- sugared Zelenskyism. You probably don't even believe that Ukrainian Nazis have been attacking the Donbas since 2014. You probably don't even believe that there are/were Ukrainian Nazis.

You're almost a megaphone for them.

 

[Mina]

You see- sugared Zelenskyism. You probably don't even believe that Ukrainian Nazis have been attacking the Donbas since 2014

Donbas is a Ukrainian territory. I'm not interested in sticking our noses into that. It's similar to Putin's shitty human rights record within Russia -- that's a tragedy, but not something I want us in the business of policing. The issue with Russia, for me, isn't that Putin is a tyrannical thug and a famously incompetent leader -- it's that he's projecting force outside his nation's borders.

You probably don't even believe that there are/were Ukrainian Nazis.

You keep trying to assign talking points to me so that you have something to attack. I'm not playing along, Little Putin Puppet.

 

[moon]

Donbas is a Ukrainian territory. I'm not interested in sticking our noses into that. It's similar to Putin's shitty human rights record within Russia -- that's a tragedy, but not something I want us in the business of policing. The issue with Russia, for me, isn't that Putin is a tyrannical thug and a famously incompetent leader -- it's that he's projecting force outside his nation's borders.



You keep trying to assign talking points to me so that you have something to attack. I'm not playing along, Little Putin Puppet.

Ah- you've reached the level of insult that you're most comfortable with. You can fuck off now.

 

[Monad Portal]

Putin even talks like Trump. The difference is Putin knows what he is doing. He knows history. He is greedy and thinks of his own power, just like Trumpy does.

how about the world economic forum?

are they the only pure leadership?

 

[Mina]

Ah- you've reached the level of insult that you're most comfortable with. You can fuck off now.

Oh, I hurt the poor little puppet's feelings. Cry to your troll-farm mates, Tovarisch. Nobody here gives a fuck.

 

[Monad Portal]

Donbas is a Ukrainian territory. I'm not interested in sticking our noses into that. It's similar to Putin's shitty human rights record within Russia -- that's a tragedy, but not something I want us in the business of policing. The issue with Russia, for me, isn't that Putin is a tyrannical thug and a famously incompetent leader -- it's that he's projecting force outside his nation's borders.



You keep trying to assign talking points to me so that you have something to attack. I'm not playing along, Little Putin Puppet.

china has a worse human rights record. do you care?

 

[Mina]

china has a worse human rights record. do you care?

My position is the same with China: their human rights record is a tragedy, but not something I regard as a priority for us to police. We and the other leading democracies should get together on some trade policy that would act as a carrot and a stick to gradually bring China into line when it comes to human rights, but as long as they're only focused within their own borders, that's not a particularly pressing issue. If, on the other hand, China were to follow Putin's lead and try to seize Taiwan with military force, that would be an immediate issue calling for worldwide embargo and military aid to Taiwan.

 

[Monad Portal]

My position is the same with China: their human rights record is a tragedy, but not something I regard as a priority for us to police. We and the other leading democracies should get together on some trade policy that would act as a carrot and a stick to gradually bring China into line when it comes to human rights, but as long as they're only focused within their own borders, that's not a particularly pressing issue. If, on the other hand, China were to follow Putin's lead and try to seize Taiwan with military force, that would be an immediate issue calling for worldwide embargo and military aid to Taiwan.

Right. you like their human slavery system to help destroy the american middle class.

you're kind of a globalist sicko.

 

[Mina]

Right. you like their human slavery system to help destroy the american middle class.

I like the way free trade has improved quality of life in China even as it has improved it for the American middle class. I recognize that before the WTO went into force, in 1994, people in both countries were worse off than they are today. That doesn't mean everything is perfect in either, but at least we've been moving in the right direction. As I said, I'd like to see us work in concert with other wealthy democracies to accelerate that process -- to put China in a position where it needs to steadily and diligently clean up its human rights act in order to preserve low-tariff access to any of the leading consumer economies. Unfortunately, that kind of coordinated approach will run into opposition from the kind of moron who treats any multinational cooperation as "new world order" globalism, to be feared and loathed.

 

[Monad Portal]

I like the way free trade has improved quality of life in China even as it has improved it for the American middle class. I recognize that before the WTO went into force, in 1994, people in both countries were worse off than they are today. That doesn't mean everything is perfect in either, but at least we've been moving in the right direction. As I said, I'd like to see us work in concert with other wealthy democracies to accelerate that process -- to put China in a position where it needs to steadily and diligently clean up its human rights act in order to preserve low-tariff access to any of the leading consumer economies. Unfortunately, that kind of coordinated approach will run into opposition from the kind of moron who treats any multinational cooperation as "new world order" globalism, to be feared and loathed.

it has ruined the middle class in america.

a bunch of cheap shit doesn't make up for all jobs being outsourced.




Why the Global 1% and the Asian Middle Class Have Gained the Most from Globalization


https://hbr.org/2016/05/why-the-glo...ed-the-most-from-globalization?referral=00060

It is by now well-known that the period from the mid-1980s to today has been the period of the greatest reshuffle of personal incomes since the Industrial Revolution. It’s also the first time that global inequality has declined in the past two hundred years. The “winners” were the middle and upper classes of the relatively poor Asian countries and the global top 1%. The (relative) “losers” were the people in the lower and middle parts of rich countries’

 

[Mina]

it has ruined the middle class in america.

When I compare were we are today to where we were before the WTO, I just don't see evidence of the Middle Class being ruined. We have higher median real incomes (despite significantly fewer hours worked), lower poverty rates, lower unemployment, a higher share of people covered by health insurance, and a more livable country in almost any measurable way (e.g., lower violent crime rates).

In what sense has the Middle Class been ruined?

Your link basically argues that although people are better off now in absolute terms, inequality has grown, and that's something people feel keenly enough that they don't care that they're better off. I guess I'm different, in that Schadenfreude doesn't drive me the same way. For example, would you rather have a replay of the Clinton years (people got richer across the board.... but the rich got richer faster than others, thanks to a booming stock market, so inequality rose), or of the late Bush years (people got poorer across the board... but the rich got poorer faster than others, thanks to a stock market implosion, so inequality fell). I'd go with the Clinton years in a heartbeat. But if Schadenfreude is your thing, maybe you're happy to get poorer, as long as you get the joy of watching others lose ground even faster.

Even having said that, though, I think Branko Milanovic's argument doesn't hold together, since inequality was actually rising MUCH FASTER before the WTO era. For example, between 1974 and 1994 (first year of the WTO), the GINI coefficient (a standard measure of income inequality) rose 0.061 points. Between 1994 and 2014 it rose 0.024. So, it was growing over two and a half times as fast in the two decades before the WTO than the two decades after. That's not at all the pattern we'd predict if global trade were a driver for inequality.

In fact, the fastest pace of income inequality growth was actually right BEFORE the WTO, in the late 1980's and early 1990's. That wasn't about any great trade liberalization, since Reagan and Bush had failed to get the WTO reforms or NAFTA passed. Instead, it was about upper-class tax cuts, social spending cuts, minimum wage stagnation, and other policies designed to help the economic aristocracy and hurt the middle class.

 

[Monad Portal]

When I compare were we are today to where we were before the WTO, I just don't see evidence of the Middle Class being ruined. We have higher median real incomes (despite significantly fewer hours worked), lower poverty rates, lower unemployment, a higher share of people covered by health insurance, and a more livable country in almost any measurable way (e.g., lower violent crime rates).

In what sense has the Middle Class been ruined?

Your link basically argues that although people are better off now in absolute terms, inequality has grown, and that's something people feel keenly enough that they don't care that they're better off. I guess I'm different, in that Schadenfreude doesn't drive me the same way. For example, would you rather have a replay of the Clinton years (people got richer across the board.... but the rich got richer faster than others, thanks to a booming stock market, so inequality rose), or of the late Bush years (people got poorer across the board... but the rich got poorer faster than others, thanks to a stock market implosion, so inequality fell). I'd go with the Clinton years in a heartbeat. But if Schadenfreude is your thing, maybe you're happy to get poorer, as long as you get the joy of watching others lose ground even faster.

Even having said that, though, I think Branko Milanovic's argument doesn't hold together, since inequality was actually rising MUCH FASTER before the WTO era. For example, between 1974 and 1994 (first year of the WTO), the GINI coefficient (a standard measure of income inequality) rose 0.061 points. Between 1994 and 2014 it rose 0.024. So, it was growing over two and a half times as fast in the two decades before the WTO than the two decades after. That's not at all the pattern we'd predict if global trade were a driver for inequality.

In fact, the fastest pace of income inequality growth was actually right BEFORE the WTO, in the late 1980's and early 1990's. That wasn't about any great trade liberalization, since Reagan and Bush had failed to get the WTO reforms or NAFTA passed. Instead, it was about upper-class tax cuts, social spending cuts, minimum wage stagnation, and other policies designed to help the economic aristocracy and hurt the middle class.

Im sorry you're not observant and are disconnected from reality.

of course sending as much work overseas as possible to maximize short term profits destroys the working class.

That's what the data shows, and that's why trump keeps winning, despite globalist liars like you.