Republicans are in full damage control mode

[Into the Night]

You seem angry. Is there anything you want to talk about?

The point of my post was to call out that the 15 week ban legislation is part of the "damage control" because it's Republicans that have largely been claiming that life begins at conception and any intentional ending of even the earliest life is killing a baby. Hence my attempt to clarify what you were referring to.

Gaslighting. Trolling.

 

[Into the Night]

its called compromise.....I doubt it will work though.....your party has even supported killing children who have survived failed abortions.......

There is no reason to compromise with Democrats anymore. There never really was. If one can't stand their ground, they will have no ground to stand on.

 

[Into the Night]

Finally somebody else brings up the Constitution...

It's even Flash, who normally ignores the Constitution.

 

[Into the Night]

Right so, at this point, given that you've repeatedly called me dishonest and a liar, there's basically no chance you're going to do anything but push forward with your claim, even if you did understand my confusion. Confusion probably isn't even an accurate word - I was just clarifying....which somehow makes me dishonest. Okey dokey..... Believe as you wish!

You are a liar and dishonest. Gaslighting as you do is both.

 

[Into the Night]

I guess it is the same power to make other criminal laws regarding drugs, kidnapping, etc. Maybe the interstate commerce power?

Here it is from the bill:

Congress has authority to extend protection to pain-capable unborn children under
(A) the Commerce Clause of section 8 of article I of the Constitution of the United States, as interpreted by the Supreme Court;
and
(B) the Equal Protection and Due Process Clauses of section 1, and the Enforcement Clause of section 5, of the 14th Amendment to
the Constitution

https://www.lgraham.senate.gov/publ...rn-children-from-late-term-abortions-act-.pdf

There is no 'interstate commerce power' other than preventing States from imposing their own interstate tarrifs and restrictions. It does NOT give the federal government the ability to discard the rest of the Constitution or to implement fascism.

NOTHING in the Constitution gives authority to the federal government to ban drugs (including recreational ones!). If you want to take something that will fuck you up, the federal government has no authority to prevent it. The States do, if and only if that authority is in their own State constitution. In quite a few States it is.

The Supreme Court has NO authority to interpret the Constitution. That authority rests solely with the States.

 

[Althea]

I don't recall either party ever misjudging societal views as badly as Republicans did on abortion.

Sen. Lindsey Graham introduces bill to ban most abortions nationwide after 15 weeks

Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham introduced a bill Tuesday that would ban most abortions nationwide starting at 15 weeks of pregnancy.

The South Carolina senator introduced the bill less than three months after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, the landmark ruling that established the constitutional right to abortion. The measure would sharply narrow abortion access in numerous states — especially blue states, which tend to have more abortion rights protections.

The legislation has little chance of passing Congress as it currently stands, as Democrats hold slim majorities in both the House and Senate.

It arrives ahead of the pivotal November midterm elections, where expectations of a Republican rout have been thrown into doubt as evidence mounts that the reversal of Roe has galvanized Democratic voters. Pro-abortion rights advocates have warned that a GOP takeover of Congress would lead to an erosion of women’s rights, and many were quick to hold up Graham’s bill as a prime example.

“Are you all ready for a nation wide abortion ban? Vote for republicans and that’s what you’ll get,” tweeted progressive activist David Hogg Tuesday morning.

While the title of Graham’s bill suggests it would bar only “late-term” abortions, it would restrict the procedure nationwide after less than four months of pregnancy, a threshold that falls within the second trimester.

Abortions are typically considered “late term” at 21 weeks of pregnancy or later, according the health-policy nonprofit KFF. But that organization notes that that phrase is not an official medical term, and that abortions at that stage are rarely sought and difficult to obtain.



https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/13/sen...most-abortions-nationwide-after-15-weeks.html

A: That's not unreasonable.

B: McConnell will never push for this vote.

C: As the OP alludes, in this political climate it's a moronic bill.

 

[Althea]

The poor dog caught the bus

Isn't it odd that Lady G never introduces legislation that criminalizes gay sex?

 

[Into the Night]

The bill provides no complete exceptions, not even in the event of the health of the mother:



And then the rape exception forces the woman to jump through humiliating hoops by being forced to report it to law enforcement agencies with a history of not solving rape cases and not prosecuting rapes. The bill does not require the police to investigate and prosecute the rape, just to force the woman to go through the trauma of having to report it in order to get an abortion.



So that's not an exception.

Irrelevant. The bill is unconstitutional.

 

[Joe Capitalist]

I don't recall either party ever misjudging societal views as badly as Republicans did on abortion.

Sen. Lindsey Graham introduces bill to ban most abortions nationwide after 15 weeks

Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham introduced a bill Tuesday that would ban most abortions nationwide starting at 15 weeks of pregnancy.

The South Carolina senator introduced the bill less than three months after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, the landmark ruling that established the constitutional right to abortion. The measure would sharply narrow abortion access in numerous states — especially blue states, which tend to have more abortion rights protections.

The legislation has little chance of passing Congress as it currently stands, as Democrats hold slim majorities in both the House and Senate.

It arrives ahead of the pivotal November midterm elections, where expectations of a Republican rout have been thrown into doubt as evidence mounts that the reversal of Roe has galvanized Democratic voters. Pro-abortion rights advocates have warned that a GOP takeover of Congress would lead to an erosion of women’s rights, and many were quick to hold up Graham’s bill as a prime example.

“Are you all ready for a nation wide abortion ban? Vote for republicans and that’s what you’ll get,” tweeted progressive activist David Hogg Tuesday morning.

While the title of Graham’s bill suggests it would bar only “late-term” abortions, it would restrict the procedure nationwide after less than four months of pregnancy, a threshold that falls within the second trimester.

Abortions are typically considered “late term” at 21 weeks of pregnancy or later, according the health-policy nonprofit KFF. But that organization notes that that phrase is not an official medical term, and that abortions at that stage are rarely sought and difficult to obtain.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/13/sen...most-abortions-nationwide-after-15-weeks.html

Lindsey Graham was never the sharpest knife in the drawer but this is really a dumb move. He pretty much handed the Dems both houses.

Thanks Lindsey.

 

[Flash]

A: That's not unreasonable.

B: McConnell will never push for this vote.

C: As the OP alludes, in this political climate it's a moronic bill.

He knows it cannot pass, but it will gain him the support of the strong anti-abortion advocates because many of the states are not passing strong enough measures for them. Then, if Trump does not run in 2024, Graham has some supporters to set him apart from the other Republican candidates.

 

[Althea]

You seem angry. Is there anything you want to talk about?

The point of my post was to call out that the 15 week ban legislation is part of the "damage control" because it's Republicans that have largely been claiming that life begins at conception and any intentional ending of even the earliest life is killing a baby. Hence my attempt to clarify what you were referring to.

I agree that it's an attempt at damage control for sure. Given that Lady G is severely lacking, it was a terrible attempt. He would have been much better served by making broad, generalized statements re. the possibility of compromise on civilized abortion laws.

 

[Althea]

He knows it cannot pass, but it will gain him the support of the strong anti-abortion advocates because many of the states are not passing strong enough measures for them. Then, if Trump does not run in 2024, Graham has some supporters to set him apart from the other Republican candidates.

Yea. Politics.

This, like so much that goes through Lady G's head, was not well thought out. The only moment of clarity that he had was early in the '16 election process when he accurately described the threat to the nation that trump is.

Then he did a 180, and now he's just an embarrassment.

There was also that 5 minute moment of clarity after the Jan. 6 terrorist attack, when he feared for his life.

But...he always checks polling and crafts his positions accordingly.

He failed miserably this time. He should have paid attention to the polling re. abortion

 

[gfm7175]

The problem with you is that reality is just too damaging to your ego, so you hide out on places like JPP rather than express these views publicly because you know you're wrong and unpopular.

Your issue, not mine. It also sounds like you need to get out of the city once in a while...

Which is why you ran your mouth for months about a stolen election,

You are implying that I have stopped "r[unning] [my] mouth"... I still to this very day claim that what was supposed to be the 2020 election never actually occurred and that Biden was illegally installed into office.

but then hid out here on JPP

I'm on here pretty much every day Monday through Friday (and sometimes on weekends, although I'm usually not). January 6th was a Wednesday, hence I was on here (as I am pretty much every single weekday).

the one day you could have done something about it.

Why are you under the impression that there is only a single day that I could've "done something about it"? I'm still "doing something about it" to this very day. As you are already aware of, I had to work on January 6th. It is a very busy time of year for accounting. Then I remember you trying to pretend that it isn't a busy time of year for accounting, but then I schooled you on that too, since I actually work in accounting and actually know what I am talking about.

 

[gfm7175]

GDP is how the size of the economy is measured, and you all promised GDP growth of at least 3% if your shitty tax cut was passed.

Trump's best annual GDP growth was 2.85%, which was 0.03% below Obama's best annual GDP growth.

You really don't know what a __% GDP figure means, do you??

 

[gfm7175]

You did lose 30M jobs because you called COVID a hoax and didn't take it seriously.

It's also why you lost the election.

I have not created (nor have I lost) any jobs. I am not an entrepreneur. I am not an alphabet soup government agency either.

I have not ran in any elections either, besides an election for class president in grade school (I won that election btw!)

 

[gfm7175]

You didn't call the hysteria a hoax, YOU CALLED COVID A HOAX.

Lie. I called the hysteria over it a hoax.

And that "hysteria" was right on the money because hundreds of thousands of people died from COVID.

Nope. They all died from other causes.

Running that big mouth of yours non-stop for a year caused you and Trump to lose the election.

What election? There was no Presidential election in 2020. I was not a candidate for any political office in 2020.

 

[gfm7175]

Who would have guessed?

... that you'd give a completely meaningless stupid response to someone else's post?? I would have guessed, and apparently also would've been right!

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

That particular position is supported by most people, dude... some might even say that it is supported by a supermajority of citizens.

However, the federal government has no place legislating abortion (per that darn pesky constitution). I take issue with this bill for that very reason just as I take issue with any Demonkkkrat bill trying to legalize it. This is a state level issue, not a federal one...

Personally, I care much more about skyrocketing inflation, gas prices, food prices, heating/cooling prices, crime, creepy shit being pushed on children in indoctrination centers on the taxpayer dime, and illegal border crossings than I do about distractionary social issues such as this one. MAGA is about "the economy, stupid" (a unifying winning issue). Demonkkkrats and RINOs want to divert away from that and instead focus on divisive social bullshit. I'm not falling for it. People don't care about divisive social bullshit when they can't afford basic necessities. This is a unifying winning issue for MAGA so long as MAGA keeps hammering it home to people.

Well now, aren't you having a little SHIT FIT today!

Listen up BIRDBRAIN! 70% of Americans want to restore Roe Vs. Wade!

You are on the wrong side of the issue, SO DON'T BE EXPECTING A WIN IN THE MID-TERMS.

But ABORTION won't even be the deciding factor in the race- FOR OVER 70% of AMERICANS, And I believe even more than that, will be voting Democrat because of the threat of losing our DEMOCRACY by the TRUMPTARDS insistence on trying to make Donald Trump their autocratic leader.

Get ready to CRY US ANOTHER RIVER OF TEARS COME ELECTION NIGHT!

But that is what happens when you find yourself on the Wrong side of issues like Abortion or Democracy- the two most important issues at stake- driving voters to the polls!

 

[gfm7175]

B: McConnell will never push for this vote.

McConnell is the mastermind behind this travesty (and notice how he had Lindsay Graham be the face of it?? There's a reason why he is nicknamed "the turtle"). Did you also notice how he is doing this a couple months before the midterms and while Demonkkkrats have control over all aspects of the federal government? It's called controlled opposition. Once you see who pulls the strings of these RNC and DNC puppets, you can't ever go back to a time when you didn't see those strings. The Trump presidency has awakened me to what is truly going on in the DC swamp and to just how bad both the RNC and DNC really are.

He's actually doing this at this timing because he wants to derail the momentum of the MAGA movement going into November because he doesn't want MAGA to overtake the RNC. He agrees with Demonkkkrats (seeing as he really IS a Demonkkkrat, as that's what RINOs truly are) that the MAGA movement (meaning Trump as well as MAGA voters) must be destroyed at any cost (just as he did with the Tea Party movement a decade ago). He doesn't care if the RNC "loses" in November, as the RNC and the DNC both play for the same Uniparty team. It is really Main Street who loses if the RNC or the DNC wins.

C: As the OP alludes, in this political climate it's a moronic bill.

It is always a moronic bill, no matter the "political climate", as it is unconstitutional. The federal government has no power to legislate abortion.

This bill proposal is just meant to get women's knickers in a twist before the midterms, and to distract away from how bad the economy truly is (due to 6uild 6ack 6etter green new deal climate change religion policies)

 

[LV426]

Lie. I called the hysteria over it a hoax.

NOPE.

ope. They all died from other causes.

Whoa...then how come Trump let so many people die from so many things in 2020?

We had 500,000 excess deaths that year...must be because you and Trump let it happen.

Not sure "half a million excess deaths" is the winning stat you think it is.